Do Jedi ruin the rebellion?

[Rozial 74]

I have a group of ex jedi and they want to join the rebellion. My problem is I try very hard not to **** up the canon and I don't know how to introduce them without Luke taking an active interest and the whole 1 jedi left thing getting messed up. Though I'm not sure if Rebels already messed that up.

[Daeglan 5,950]

The galaxy is a big place. Put them someplace far away.

[Oden Gebhac 445]

They don't have to be anywhere near Luke, in fact you could keep your players far away from canon events.  Have those canon events occur in the distance but still close enough to feel the effects.  The loss of the base on Hoth was probably one of the biggest blows the Empire dealt to the Rebellion as it was probably going to give them a central location to stage their fleet from. 

The Rebellion existed for a long time as a group of loosely connected resistance cells spread throughout the galaxy.  Luke seems to be near the bulk of Alliance High Command and the juicy plot hooks.  Your group of ex-Jedi can do many things for the rebellion: finding hotspots of discontent towards the empire and coaxing them into open rebellion; locating remote locations for semi-permanent bases like Hoth; going on high-risk, high-reward raids to damage Imperial Shipping and Shipyards.

[Rozial 74]

I just wonder if Luke as a major player in the Rebellion and someone's like "Hey you're a jedi? We just sent like 4 of them over to Polis Massa." It worries me because I really want to keep the canon intact but I don't want to just outright deny my players.

A bunch of the events of the movies center around Luke and Vader being the last force users. Well, Palpatine too.

Edited January 27, 2017 by Rozial

[Oden Gebhac 445]

Who in their right mind tell some young upstart about the top-secret ex-jedi Taskforce, even if they knew Luke was a budding Jedi?  Have them experience a Force vision from Obi-wan telling them that Luke's destiny is his own and their destiny is theirs alone.  You could also have them find Yoda on Dagobah and he tells them that Luke's ignorance of the other Jedi at this point in his training is important.

[Daeglan 5,950]

Well for one thing no one should ever admit to being jedi... it is a death sentance.

[Rozial 74]

1 minute ago, Oden Gebhac said:

Who in their right mind tell some young upstart about the top-secret ex-jedi Taskforce, even if they knew Luke was a budding Jedi?  Have them experience a Force vision from Obi-wan telling them that Luke's destiny is his own and their destiny is theirs alone.  You could also have them find Yoda on Dagobah and he tells them that Luke's ignorance of the other Jedi at this point in his training is important.

Well I meant when Luke is starting to be considered a credible challenger to Vader but I see your point of the force keeping him unaware as part of his trials. That could work thanks.

[Rozial 74]

1 minute ago, Daeglan said:

Well for one thing no one should ever admit to being jedi... it is a death sentance.

Well the Rebellion has Ahsoka and Ezra who are both known jedi at this point.

[Daeglan 5,950]

And that didnt go well for Ahsoka. And not likely for Ezra...

[Ghostofman 8,319]

Also something people forget:

It's a Rebel ALLIANCE. It is not a unified operation. There's all different groups under different commands, different leaders, and with different local goals and operations, and how much they share with each other is on a by-group basis.

So if your players go Jedi, their bosses are under no obligation to share that with anyone.

Additionally:

How big a major player in the Rebellion is Luke?

I mean, he blew up the D-star...And.............That's kinda it. At the end of the day as far as Rebel leadership is concerned he's just a frelling stick jockey.

Dagobah, Yoda, dueling with Vader... All that was totally off the radar of Rebel command. Luke didn't stand at the front of a platoon of soldiers deflecting blaster fire. He just flew a starfighter and said he didn't need a targeting computer because the voices in his head said it would all be OK. He's not sitting around with with Ackbar and Mothma over tea talking about how they could totally win the war if he were a real boy.

Likewise if your players aren't standing up front waving around their glow sticks and killing people with their brains, it may never make it back to their command, and by extension back to Luke.

[Daeglan 5,950]

1 hour ago, Ghostofman said:

Also something people forget:

It's a Rebel ALLIANCE. It is not a unified operation. There's all different groups under different commands, different leaders, and with different local goals and operations, and how much they share with each other is on a by-group basis.

So if your players go Jedi, their bosses are under no obligation to share that with anyone.

Additionally:

How big a major player in the Rebellion is Luke?

I mean, he blew up the D-star...And.............That's kinda it. At the end of the day as far as Rebel leadership is concerned he's just a frelling stick jockey.

Dagobah, Yoda, dueling with Vader... All that was totally off the radar of Rebel command. Luke didn't stand at the front of a platoon of soldiers deflecting blaster fire. He just flew a starfighter and said he didn't need a targeting computer because the voices in his head said it would all be OK. He's not sitting around with with Ackbar and Mothma over tea talking about how they could totally win the war if he were a real boy.

Likewise if your players aren't standing up front waving around their glow sticks and killing people with their brains, it may never make it back to their command, and by extension back to Luke.

And in fact each rebel group is highly unlikely to share any jedi they may have with other groups because blabbing about any jedi is a great way to get them killed. 

[Garran 485]

Since you're playing an RPG, don't worry about preserving the canon. The story revolves around the PCs, not the canon characters, and if they end up causing things to turn out differently than in some other version of the universe, so be it.

[Desslok 13,571]

Yeah, I was about to say - you cannot step into a river without affecting change. Just let your concerns go and let your players be the stars.

[Stan Fresh 2,465]

Lean into it. There is no Luke. Your player characters are the last of the Jedi, and the only hope for the Rebellion.

 

 

[Daeglan 5,950]

18 minutes ago, Stan Fresh said:

Lean into it. There is no Luke. Your player characters are the last of the Jedi, and the only hope for the Rebellion.

 

 

It works better if you wave your hand...

*Waves hand*
There is no Luke. Your player characters are the last Jedi, and the only hope for the Rebellion. 

[SEApocalypse 4,443]

8 hours ago, Daeglan said:

And that didnt go well for Ahsoka. And not likely for Ezra...

And Ahsoka ain't a jedi on top of that, while Ezra is an apprentice and Kanan a self-proclaimed jedi. But yeah, it not going to end well for either of them.  

[Kael 1,865]

The moment you decided to run with a group of ex Jedi you already screwed with canon, so why worry about Luke? If we are sticking with canon then you shouldn't even have a group of ex Jedi. But since you do I say let go of canon and let the players join the Rebellion. Let them meet Luke. Maybe they can teach Luke some new tricks. Maybe Luke can teach them some new tricks.  But the moment you decided to have a group of former Jedi as PC's you already screwed with canon. 

So why resist? 

Edited January 28, 2017 by Kael

[Richardbuxton 7,319]

Remember there is a big difference between "the last Jedi" and "the last Force User" Luke was supposed to be the last remaining person trained in the way of the Jedi order. But nothing ever said there were not other Force Users in the galaxy. The galaxy could well have been full of them, all untrained and unaware.

Also keep in mind "The Last Jedi" could be referring to a small group not just an individual.

[syrath 1,316]

3 hours ago, SEApocalypse said:

And Ahsoka ain't a jedi on top of that, while Ezra is an apprentice and Kanan a self-proclaimed jedi. But yeah, it not going to end well for either of them.  

The quote about Luke being the last Jedi was in RotJ , and since if you count Kanan as a Jedi he could have been alive up to that point, Ezra and Ahsoka weren't Jedi, unless Ezra is deemed one later, but again even if he does become Jedi could be around up till RotJ, finally Kanan and Ezra could denounce the Jedi realizing that the Jedi made a mistake , and follow the path of the Bendhu instead. There are many ways that this could be taken, even Luke had to find his own path.

[Kestin 345]

It's true that, by introducing a group of Force users, you're already kinda affecting canon. Unless, of course, they all die around/shortly after Ep 6? I don't know. The point is, it's made very clear in The Force Awakens that the Jedi have not made a resurgence in the last 30 or so years, and it even seems like Luke's students were a handful, not dozens or even an Order.  Of course, the others in this thread are right: Luke can be the last Jedi while your PCs can just be people with the Force, but, chances are, at least one among your party has tracked down old Jedi knowledge, which, save for Yoda and a bit of Obi-Wan, is all Luke's really had. And if they have a holocron? It's basically the same thing.

 

What I'm doing with my group of FaD PCs who want to to Rebel stuff down the line is this:

 

For a long while, they stay hidden, solving their own problems and learning. Their base happens to be at the edge of the Deep Core in an ancient Jedi temple-like construct, so it's plausible the galaxy at large isn't immediately aware of them. After becoming suitably excellent (and educated by a pair or holocrons and an amnesiac ex-Padawan, so definitely possessing Jedi knowledge, if not ideology), we've progressed to right around Ep. 5 and 6. Luke, in his hunt for Jedi knowledge, tracks down the same temple they did and sort of finds them living there. He confers with them, and they decide to join the Rebellion and take a larger stand in the galaxy.

The quotes from Jedi get a little wonky, where it's discussed that Luke is the last (first?) of the Jedi, but we talked it out before the game started and decided that, due to Skywalker Deus Ex Machina, Luke is just closer to attaining what the galaxy might view as "Jedi status" at that moment. He's the heir to a powerful line of Jedi and has been taught by living Jedi Masters, and he has the vision and drive to reform the Jedi. A lot of my players aren't super keen on the idea of becoming actual Jedi, with the responsibility and presence that requires. For those that want to become Jedi, we've already played with the idea of Luke, being an idealist and a bit of an idiot, trying to stick exactly to the way the old Jedi did things, and the PCs are the ones that steer him to the more modern/understanding/liberal Order that Luke created in the old EU, having more experience with the matter of history and stuff than he does. They become his advisers and first Masters, and movie canon remains largely intact. 

[Space Monkey 124]

First, just because Luke was the last of the Jedi, does not mean there can't be Jedi after Yoda's statement.

Second, you assume Yoda isn't lying. Perhaps he tells Luke he's the last because it's what Luke needs to hear. By saying "When gone am I, the last of the Jedi will you be" he instills in Luke a sense of guilt that, should he abandon this path, the Jedi die with him. Watching the way many Jedi act throughout the 6 movies, they are more than capable of lying or changing what they believe on a whim to suit their own needs*. "From my point of view, the Jedi are evil".

* Examples being: Obi-Wan lying to Luke about his father, Windu wanting to kill Palpatine instead of arrest him, Obi-wan hiding Anakin's kids from him, Qui-Gon defying the council and choosing to train Anakin himself. Jedi are just selfish, deceitful, insubordinate a-holes. Remember, just because you mean well, doesn't make it right.

Edited January 28, 2017 by Space Monkey

[Kaigen 826]

It's also possible that Yoda simply doesn't know if there are other Jedi out there. At the end of episode 3, he and Obi-Wan assume they are the last of the order, and then he goes and hides out on a remote planet blanketed by a Force vergence for decades. I would imagine he isn't exactly up on current events. And as the last (so far as he knows) remaining member of the Jedi Council, he might consider himself the only one with the authority to confer the title of "Jedi" on anyone.

[SEApocalypse 4,443]

Yoda was in telepathic contact with Ezra and Kanan. He guides both during rebels. So he does very well know of them, but this would include known in the case that both decide to follow the path of the bendu, which is a lot less corrupted, because Bendu did not sit on an old sith temple for 1,000 years. ;-)

[Rozial 74]

15 hours ago, Ghostofman said:

Also something people forget:

It's a Rebel ALLIANCE. It is not a unified operation. There's all different groups under different commands, different leaders, and with different local goals and operations, and how much they share with each other is on a by-group basis.

So if your players go Jedi, their bosses are under no obligation to share that with anyone.

Additionally:

How big a major player in the Rebellion is Luke?

I mean, he blew up the D-star...And.............That's kinda it. At the end of the day as far as Rebel leadership is concerned he's just a frelling stick jockey.

Dagobah, Yoda, dueling with Vader... All that was totally off the radar of Rebel command. Luke didn't stand at the front of a platoon of soldiers deflecting blaster fire. He just flew a starfighter and said he didn't need a targeting computer because the voices in his head said it would all be OK. He's not sitting around with with Ackbar and Mothma over tea talking about how they could totally win the war if he were a real boy.

Likewise if your players aren't standing up front waving around their glow sticks and killing people with their brains, it may never make it back to their command, and by extension back to Luke.

That's a really good point, thanks.

[Rozial 74]

These have all been really helpful. Thanks everyone.