Cc: Unequiped upgrades and fleet totals.

[FourDogsInaHorseSuit 1,486]

Let's say I have a fleet worth exactly 500 points. Can I unequip an upgrade like a Turbolaser Reroute Circuits to spend 7 more points elsewhere?

Basically: do unequiped upgrades still count against my fleets total cost?

[Eggzavier 1,689]

I believe the answer is yes they do. It says in the booklet (don't have specific cite right here) that they still count as part of the fleet, just unequipped for the battle.

 

You can also shuffle them around from ship to ship.

 

I don't think there are any mechanisms in CC to specifically drop things from the list aside from having it on a ship that dies while scarred.

 

There are some ships in my local campaign that have been scarred for several rounds because people know their opponent is trying to get rid of it.

[Ardaedhel 10,844]

There are some ships in my local campaign that have been scarred for several rounds because people know their opponent is trying to get rid of it.

I flew a squadron off the board in my last game because my opponent refused to kill it.

[Lemmiwinks86 934]

11 hours ago, Ardaedhel said:

I flew a squadron off the board in my last game because my opponent refused to kill it.

That is a good strategy, hadn't thought about that

[FourDogsInaHorseSuit 1,486]

Ok but if an upgrade isn't on the table it doesn't count as part of the list why would its cost?

[Drasnighta 26,832]

Because one could argue that your upgrade is still part of your Fleet Sheet (your roster), and your fleet sheet is what you put on the table...

[Eggzavier 1,689]

12 hours ago, Ardaedhel said:

I flew a squadron off the board in my last game because my opponent refused to kill it.

Seems silly that this is the answer, but we've come to realize this as well.

Desperate times I guess.

[Jamborinio 138]

12 hours ago, Ardaedhel said:

I flew a squadron off the board in my last game because my opponent refused to kill it.

Lol, love it! 

 

"Right, Bob, TIE brown squadron, your job is to fly away as far as you can, until you can fly away no further..."

"eh, ok, am I going anywhere specific and do I get a hyperdrive?"

"no, and no. Good luck pilot!"

 

edit: In all seriousness, I think this is the one part of the CC that could really do with a bit of tightening up rules-wise. This kind of play is just silly. There must be a better way...

Edited January 24, 2017 by Jambo75

[Undeadguy 5,749]

53 minutes ago, Eggzavier said:

Seems silly that this is the answer, but we've come to realize this as well.

Desperate times I guess.

Do the rules say what happens to a squad if you fly it off the map? I thought it only applied to ships.

[Drasnighta 26,832]

5 minutes ago, Undeadguy said:

Do the rules say what happens to a squad if you fly it off the map? I thought it only applied to ships.

Sure does

 

PAGE 5, RRG, "DESTROYED SHIPS AND SQUADRONS"

Additionally, a ship or squadron is destroyed if a portion of its base is outside the play area.

[Green Knight 9,746]

2 hours ago, Jambo75 said:

Lol, love it! 

 

"Right, Bob, TIE brown squadron, your job is to fly away as far as you can, until you can fly away no further..."

"eh, ok, am I going anywhere specific and do I get a hyperdrive?"

"no, and no. Good luck pilot!"

 

edit: In all seriousness, I think this is the one part of the CC that could really do with a bit of tightening up rules-wise. This kind of play is just silly. There must be a better way...

It would be better to allow players to disband units and cards. As a house rule.

[CDAT 243]

21 hours ago, Eggzavier said:

I believe the answer is yes they do. It says in the booklet (don't have specific cite right here) that they still count as part of the fleet, just unequipped for the battle.

 

You can also shuffle them around from ship to ship.

 

I don't think there are any mechanisms in CC to specifically drop things from the list aside from having it on a ship that dies while scarred.

 

There are some ships in my local campaign that have been scarred for several rounds because people know their opponent is trying to get rid of it.

I have not seen where it specifically says that they still count, so would say this need a specific cite or does not count as formal.

[Drasnighta 26,832]

Are they recorded on your Fleet Sheet?

If they are recorded on your Fleet Sheet, then they are part of your Fleet, and thus, cost.

[FourDogsInaHorseSuit 1,486]

3 hours ago, Drasnighta said:

Because one could argue that your upgrade is still part of your Fleet Sheet (your roster), and your fleet sheet is what you put on the table...

So then can I use the spies to swap out upgrades since they're still counting against my fleet? There's not really a place to mark extra items I've paid for but not using.

[Drasnighta 26,832]

?

[FourDogsInaHorseSuit 1,486]

3 hours ago, Drasnighta said:

Because one could argue that your upgrade is still part of your Fleet Sheet (your roster), and your fleet sheet is what you put on the table...

So then can I use the spies to swap out upgrades since they're still counting against my fleet? There's not really a place to mark extra items I've paid for but not using.

[FourDogsInaHorseSuit 1,486]

When do I decide what is active and what isn't?  Before deploying mey fleet? Then when I redeploy my fleet can I make changes? 

[FourDogsInaHorseSuit 1,486]

When do I decide what is active and what isn't?  Before deploying mey fleet? Then when I redeploy my fleet can I make changes? 

[FourDogsInaHorseSuit 1,486]

Oh my god, every time I minimize this app it fills my message so I'll double post it. 

[Drasnighta 26,832]

Just now, FourDogsInaHorseSuit said:

When do I decide what is active and what isn't?  Before deploying mey fleet? Then when I redeploy my fleet can I make changes? 

CC Quick reference, Last Page,

Management Phase, Part 4, "Refit and Expand Fleets"

is the only time you can modify your fleet list.

This is expanded upon inside the book as to also allow you to move your upgrades around (as that is outside of "Refit" and "Expand", apparently...

But that's the only time you have to do it.

 

Like most flowcharts, once you're out of that Phase, and you're into the Strategy or Battle Phase...  You can't be doing those things.

 

[FourDogsInaHorseSuit 1,486]

21 hours ago, Drasnighta said:

Are they recorded on your Fleet Sheet?

If they are recorded on your Fleet Sheet, then they are part of your Fleet, and thus, cost.

My sheet doesn't actually have a place for unequiped upgrades, because those are separated from the ship they're equipped to. In the rules on page 11 it says that these are set aside, and then I update my roster. Since they'd then no longer be listed on the roster (because they've been set aside, and removed from their ships)  would this then mean they don't count? 

[Drasnighta 26,832]

To me, that seems like they stop existing.  I mean, how can you prove you still have them if they're not on your Fleet Sheet somewhere ?

[FourDogsInaHorseSuit 1,486]

I'll make a thread about upgrade storage after I convince my playgroup to let me field 9 Reiken missiles. 

[Nostromoid 879]

Since the official roster page found in the box doesn't include anywhere mark unequipped upgrades, and since they are "set aside" per the rules, my interpretation is that they don't count toward fleet totals. A player in my campaign has reached 500 points and is threatening to hoard all the uniques from his team.

[Undeadguy 5,749]

I'm gunna say they do count towards your fleet total. Sure, you can take it off, but you still have the points invested in it. Like Dras said, how can you prove you still have the upgrade if you don't record it anywhere? And what's to stop someone from doing gamey meta ****? 

"Oh, my opponent is running his dual MC80s with Ackbar. Better swap my Spinal for my XI7s on all my ships so I can choose to defend him.