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The revealation that a PC is force sensetive is a pretty big deal, especially when you, as a GM, ensured that this is a pretty forceless game.
Therefore it is even more important to get it right, so the PCs are all satisfied with the end result.

In my case the player in question has given me free hand to channel her revelation and I've worked out the basic framework, but I still need some help here and there.
So my characters have started basic, with the Beginners Set, then the GM adventure and now the Core Book adventure.
After that they will complete Beyond the Rim, the idea is that they are doing business relations for Bargos
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This is how I'm going to handle it:
At Formos the PCs will be invited by a very Hans Landa like Imperial Agent to an event that will sonwhow lead to an excavation in some shape and form. He specifically hunts one of the PCs and tries to find ties to the Rebells.
At this excavation, overseen by an Inquisitor, the group would find a holocron, which they'll probably steal or deactivate in some form, gaining the attention of the Inquisitor and leading the Jedi to reveal herself,
Next they'll try to steal the Jewel of Yarvin, the Contact is a Black Sun agent they met on Geonosis, which has critical Information for another member of the group, however the Jewel itself is a Kyber Crystal and the Jedi may claim it for herself, blowing the Deal and creating tension between the two.
 

I also like the idea that the loss of the Jewel would force the owner of Cloud City to sell it and it would somehow end up at a gambling table with Lando Calrissian, a game the PCs may witness.

The Jedi, trying to build a lightsaber, probably wants to use the crystal, but due to her inner unbalance she cannot bond with it (part of the new canon I'm fond of)
The Holocron would lead the Jedi to a hidden Temple of the Church of the Force, but without Force Sensetives, an idea I had before Rogue One. The leader, living alone on a mountainpeak would turn out to be Mace Windu and let the party do Jedi Trials, restoring the inner balance and creating the abillity to bond with the crystal.



So what are your thoughts? Any problems I don't see or how the PCs could totally screw my plans over? 
Feedback is appreciated  :)

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Personally, I wouldn’t have Mace Windu survive. He’s much too powerful of a Jedi Master.

You could have a less well-known Jedi survive, or the information you would have the master pass on actually comes from the Holocron. Perhaps the Holocron is one that was created by Mace Windu.

The Jewel of Yavin itself is much too large to be used in a Lightsaber. It could be used as a crystal in a Deathstar Superlaser-class weapon, or it could be broken down into multiple smaller crystals, but intact as-is, it is much too large.

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Plans are wonderful things... just expect them to go sideways once the players get involved. :D

Indeed, this was only meant as a basic framework

 

Personally, I wouldn’t have Mace Windu survive. He’s much too powerful of a Jedi Master.

You could have a less well-known Jedi survive, or the information you would have the master pass on actually comes from the Holocron. Perhaps the Holocron is one that was created by Mace Windu.

The Jewel of Yavin itself is much too large to be used in a Lightsaber. It could be used as a crystal in a Deathstar Superlaser-class weapon, or it could be broken down into multiple smaller crystals, but intact as-is, it is much too large.

I like the idea that he is a shadow of himself furthermore that he lives in an Exile similar to Kenobis and Yodas.

However I keep your suggestion in mind.

This is unfortunate, but I guess a detail like the size of a Jewel could be changed relatively easily.

Maybe I will have to think about something else, like a kyber crystal as the reward for the trials or a piece is broken of the Jewel...

But thanks both of you for your suggestions

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For my $0.02, Windu is a sufficiently powerful and popular character that he should be treated the same as Luke, Han, Leia, Vader, etc. Interactions with this type of character should be memorable, but limited and brief. Other people have different takes on canon characters, but that's my opinion.

 

A slightly different direction would be to turn the Church of the Force encounter into the rescue of Hethan Romund. Once the PCs agree, that inserts them nicely into the F&D Beginner Box adventure (Mountaintop Rescue) and subsequent adventure Lure of the Lost. A little tweaking here and there gives the party three gatekeepers and a holocron to assist in their education and training. For the non-Force Sensitives, the LotL adventure also contains links to the Spintir seedy underside and a Rebel cell, which should provide plenty of tie-ins.

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For my $0.02, Windu is a sufficiently powerful and popular character that he should be treated the same as Luke, Han, Leia, Vader, etc. Interactions with this type of character should be memorable, but limited and brief. Other people have different takes on canon characters, but that's my opinion.

This is basically how I planned to use him, he was not to be part of the Group or to do anything major, except for fending off the Empire until everyone can escape.

 

A slightly different direction would be to turn the Church of the Force encounter into the rescue of Hethan Romund. Once the PCs agree, that inserts them nicely into the F&D Beginner Box adventure (Mountaintop Rescue) and subsequent adventure Lure of the Lost. A little tweaking here and there gives the party three gatekeepers and a holocron to assist in their education and training. For the non-Force Sensitives, the LotL adventure also contains links to the Spintir seedy underside and a Rebel cell, which should provide plenty of tie-ins.

This seems like an interesting idea that I will definetly keep in mind, I was reluctant to include any F&D adventures, as we only have one force sensetive character, but your idea seems very plausable and easy to pull off.

 

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Yes, this is also why I chose to use Windu, instead of a relatively meaningless character.
I also remember seeing the Picture Vestij linked here and it reminded me alot of Jolee Bindo, so maybe one could get some inspiration there.


So I thought about what was written here and came up with the following: 
When finished at Formos, an old businesspartner of one of the PCs will invite the group to a social event, which is used to do some archeology for the empire.
There the FS PC will interact with the Holocron and ''reconnect'' with the force, the Holocron may or may not be of Windu, however it is the Holocron of the Jedi that will later teach the PC.
Then at Bespin the Jewel is a Kyber Crystal but too large, instead it grants the group minus the droid a vision, if she thinks about it she will be able to break off a piece, but it will have consequences, also I don't think that she want's such a powerfull tool in the Hands of whoever gets it, which I'll probably tweak to the black sun.

Anyways the vision leads to a Temple of the Church of the Force, on which mountain the group will find the Master of the Holocron and I have to read the Adventure first, but it might be a vatiation of the F&D Beginner box & follow up, at which end she gets a crystal if she doesn't allready have one.


I think this tweaking works better, any suggestions?
And thanks for your guys help  :)

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Aww, this topic wasn't nearly as lewd as the title suggested! :( 

 

The Jewel of Yavin itself is much too large to be used in a Lightsaber. It could be used as a crystal in a Deathstar Superlaser-class weapon, or it could be broken down into multiple smaller crystals, but intact as-is, it is much too large.

 

Not tryna be nitpicky Brad, as we're pals and all, but... isn't the fact that Elaiza is trying to obtain it for her lightsaber an indication that it can be used in a lightsaber?  

 

It says on page 38 that it can be cut and shaped into a lightsaber crystal (and annoyingly, doesn't give any stats for it)

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Aww, this topic wasn't nearly as lewd as the title suggested! :(

 

The Jewel of Yavin itself is much too large to be used in a Lightsaber. It could be used as a crystal in a Deathstar Superlaser-class weapon, or it could be broken down into multiple smaller crystals, but intact as-is, it is much too large.

 

Not tryna be nitpicky Brad, as we're pals and all, but... isn't the fact that Elaiza is trying to obtain it for her lightsaber an indication that it can be used in a lightsaber?  

 

It says on page 38 that it can be cut and shaped into a lightsaber crystal (and annoyingly, doesn't give any stats for it)

 

Our group turned it into a force artefact rather then something to put into a lightsaber. It's purpose hasnt been entirely revealed, but it was an artefact made by the sith that seemed to amplify power, a Jedi purified it after killing said lord and put it into a staff known only as the staff of command (A PC given name, because it's natural ability allowed for the commending of wild life.). That staff was destroyed however the crystal is in inquisitor hands, the head of their order is heading towards a mysterious planet for what is only known as paradise. There, we will probably see the true power of this crystal. In this fluff Ezla knew that this was an artefact of immense power and aught to obtain it for reasons unknown, the first time the party knocked her out, after the nagisations went sour, the second time she succeeded in seizing the jewel in a raid on Kalthos palace but lost it again when she clashed with an inquisitor (her old friend) and was "disarmed", 

 

Pretty interesting really, as the party have never been able to obtain the crystal for their own uses but in this three year plotline it resurfaces and disappears in a new owners hands every time. Shows a bit more of a inventive use then "lets grind this baby up and slam it in my hilt hur hur" XD

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I personally like the idea of using a Holocron Windu.  Your character can still "learn" form him w/o opening the can of worms as to whether he's alive or not.  Plus, Holocrons are powerful things that many factions would want (Sith and Jedi to learn, Criminals to sell for credits, etc...).  Finding and keeping a Holocron is practically an adventure in itself!

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What about force ghosts?

 

You could say Yoda passed into the Force shortly after landing on Dagobah. This leaves canon essentially in tact. Maybe Luke didn't realize he was dealing with a ghost, or having an enduring force vision. In this scenario, Yoda would be most manifest on Dagobah, but could also appear at other vergences, or in the presence of force sensitives whose destiny matters in your game. In Rebels, he speaks to Ezra when the latter is in the Lothal Temple.

 

And, if you don't want Yoda, it was Qui-Gonn's ghost who led him on his vision quest into the living force at the end of the Clone Wars that allowed him to become a force ghost in the first place. Why not Qui-Gonn? And, really, you could just hand-wave that and have it be any master you wanted them to encounter, though the more orthodox-conventional ones seemed less enamored of / connected to the idea of the living force.

 

This approach allows a direct chain of transmission for Jedi tradition and status without pulling Obi-Wan into it and raising weird meta-plot / canonical questions along with him. Or by having some other famous Jedi Master lurking about doing nothing other than waiting for the PCs. Some popular force ghosts might be Master's Shaak-Ti, Kit Fisto, Plo-Koon, or Unduli. Mace Windu and Ayala Secura don't seem the type, personally, but its your game! Do what you gotta do!

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Or alternatively stuff the Jedi: They all died for a reason and learning from people who failed to uphold the republic sounds like a losing battle! XD
 

i mean honestly, these days it seems like their knowledge rather then their idlogy is what's important to people these days.

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Not tryna be nitpicky Brad, as we're pals and all, but... isn't the fact that Elaiza is trying to obtain it for her lightsaber an indication that it can be used in a lightsaber?

Have you seen the pictures of it? It’s huge. A little smaller than a baseball, maybe. I got this from Wookieepedia:

Jewel_of_Yavin.png

It says on page 38 that it can be cut and shaped into a lightsaber crystal (and annoyingly, doesn't give any stats for it)

It can be cut and shaped. Yes, absolutely. Like any crystal.

But that would be kind of like taking the Star of India and cutting it down so that you could wear it as a ring on your finger.

Not saying Elaiza wouldn’t do that anyway, just that I think she’d have to be really seriously desperate to do so.

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Aww, this topic wasn't nearly as lewd as the title suggested! :(

No, saldy it was not  :( 

I will give the size thing of the Jewel a think, it will still be some time untill I'll be there. 

Also the Force Artifact thing is interesting aswell, I will see how it will go.

Thanks for the help everybody  :)

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Not tryna be nitpicky Brad, as we're pals and all, but... isn't the fact that Elaiza is trying to obtain it for her lightsaber an indication that it can be used in a lightsaber?

Have you seen the pictures of it? It’s huge. A little smaller than a baseball, maybe. I got this from Wookieepedia:

Jewel_of_Yavin.png

It says on page 38 that it can be cut and shaped into a lightsaber crystal (and annoyingly, doesn't give any stats for it)

It can be cut and shaped. Yes, absolutely. Like any crystal.

But that would be kind of like taking the Star of India and cutting it down so that you could wear it as a ring on your finger.

Not saying Elaiza wouldn’t do that anyway, just that I think she’d have to be really seriously desperate to do so.

 

 

 

Could you just make the section for the focusing crystal MUCH bigger than the rest of the Handle?  I mean, as big as it would be couldn't you theoretically use the focusing area as part of a guard?  Heck, as big as that crystal is, couldn't you theoretically do a Kylo Ren and make two smaller "laser" blades to be part of the guard or put it in the center of two Saber sections for a double-bladed saber (as they often do in The Old Republic MMO)?

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It can be cut and shaped. Yes, absolutely. Like any crystal.

But that would be kind of like taking the Star of India and cutting it down so that you could wear it as a ring on your finger.

Not saying Elaiza wouldn’t do that anyway, just that I think she’d have to be really seriously desperate to do so.

 

But the adventure implies she is that desperate.  

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Could you just make the section for the focusing crystal MUCH bigger than the rest of the Handle?  I mean, as big as it would be couldn't you theoretically use the focusing area as part of a guard?  Heck, as big as that crystal is, couldn't you theoretically do a Kylo Ren and make two smaller "laser" blades to be part of the guard or put it in the center of two Saber sections for a double-bladed saber (as they often do in The Old Republic MMO)?

 

Kylo Ren has just one regular Kyber Crystal, but is manufactured poorly, therefore it has two vents, which are the smaller Lightsaber blades

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Could you just make the section for the focusing crystal MUCH bigger than the rest of the Handle?  I mean, as big as it would be couldn't you theoretically use the focusing area as part of a guard?  Heck, as big as that crystal is, couldn't you theoretically do a Kylo Ren and make two smaller "laser" blades to be part of the guard or put it in the center of two Saber sections for a double-bladed saber (as they often do in The Old Republic MMO)?

As big as that thing is, you could probably cut it into 100 smaller crystals, each of which would still be way larger than is necessary for a lightsaber — witness the one that Jyn Erso had around her neck in “Rogue One”.

Take a look at the British Crown Jewels. See the big rock in the Sceptre?

Cullinan-I.jpg

That’s 530.20 carats of pure diamond. The biggest cut diamond in the entire world. You could cut that diamond into 500 smaller pieces, each of which would still be larger than one carat weight, which is a good size diamond for a ring.

And that diamond is smaller than the Jewel of Yavin.

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Not saying Elaiza wouldn’t do that anyway, just that I think she’d have to be really seriously desperate to do so.

But the adventure implies she is that desperate.

The thought occurs to me — getting a crystal for your lightsaber is supposed to be a spiritual quest for a Jedi, and it’s one of those “you know it when you find it” sorts of things.

So, just exactly how did Elaiza come to find the Jewel of Yavin as THE crystal for her?

That seems to me to be a total non-sequitur.

Now, if you wanted to change the explanation such that Elaiza recognized that the Jewel of Yavin was a Kyber crystal and given its size it could be put to use in very horrible situations (e.g., maybe one of the most important crystals that power the Death Star), and that she had to have it in order to keep it out of the hands of those who would abuse it — that is an explanation that I could buy.

But using it as a crystal in her personal lightsaber? That just doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me….

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Kylo Ren has just one regular Kyber Crystal, but is manufactured poorly, therefore it has two vents, which are the smaller Lightsaber blades

I don’t know that the problem with his lightsaber is the crystal itself, I thought it had more to do with the relatively poor construction of the hilt. Based on an older design, among other things it requires a couple of energy vents, which form what would otherwise be seen as a “Quillion” or cross-guard.

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