The expected rebel meta list in Wave 5

[Destraa 222]

Seeing Commander Sato and his commander ability, this is pretty much what I'm anticipating the rebel meta to look like once Phoenix Home is available, with minor variations of course.

Fleet 220 (396/400)

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MC30c Scout Frigate (69 + 66)

+ Commander Sato (32)

+ Lando Calrissian (4)

+ Ordnance Experts (4)

+ Electronic Countermeasures (7)

+ Assault Proton Torpedoes (5)

+ XI7 Turbolasers (6)

+ Foresight (8)

MC30c Scout Frigate (69 + 30)

+ Ordnance Experts (4)

+ Electronic Countermeasures (7)

+ Assault Proton Torpedoes (5)

+ XI7 Turbolasers (6)

+ Admonition (8)

Nebulon-B Support Refit (51 + 11)

+ Flight Commander (3)

+ Fighter Coordination Team (3)

+ Yavaris (5)

GR-75 Medium Transports (18 + 9)

+ Toryn Farr (7)

+ Bright Hope (2)

GR-75 Medium Transports (18)

5 x A-wing Squadron (11)

[Drasnighta 26,833]

Why bother with Yavaris when you can have Phoenix Home and a Fleet Command Option?

[Destraa 222]

Why bother with Yavaris when you can have Phoenix Home and a Fleet Command Option?

To push the squadron based shenanigans to their maximum. Like I said, it'll be seasoned to taste.

[Drasnighta 26,833]

 

Why bother with Yavaris when you can have Phoenix Home and a Fleet Command Option?

To push the squadron based shenanigans to their maximum. Like I said, it'll be seasoned to taste.

 

 

Seasoned to taste is a change of a few squadrons or upgrades.  Dump Yavaris (its worthless with 5 A-Wings whose job it is to fly out and let Sato go to Work) and Embrace the Pelta

[Ardaedhel 10,844]

Seeing Commander Sato and his commander ability, this is pretty much what I'm anticipating the rebel meta to look like once Phoenix Home is available, with minor variations of course.

Unlikely. 

Your MC30's are super expensive (135 and 99 is way too much for a 4-hull ship), you have your commander on an MC30 so he's virtually guaranteed to die, you have an odd number of squadrons so your deployments are inefficient, you're using Foresight without Mon Mothma at all, you have Yavaris on a support Neb with one squadron activation, you have Yavaris in a list with only A-wings, you have no way to efficiently deal with flotillas, and you have Toryn Farr in a list to which she'll provide pretty minimal utility.

I'm not sure what your game plan is here, but the list looks pretty dubious to me.

[Drasnighta 26,833]

IF you wanted to consider this style of list a Meta Archtype...  Then I'd look this way:

 

(And there's still a 10 point Bid to work a way through some things....   I'm not happy myself with only 3 Xs, for example, but I figured they'd be okay at Moving out at Speed 4, all jumping near someone, so all the Long Range Black Criticals can come - they'r emore survivable than A-Wings, and they can dish out Anti-Squadron...  But as Ard says above, they're an uneven deployment, and I'm not happy with the rest - but its how I'd kinda see it...  I'm sure someone better than me could refine it further...)
 

390/400

 

1 • MC30c Scout Frigate - MC30c (69)     - Ordnance Experts (4)    - Assault Proton Torpedoes (5)    - Admonition (8)

    • Total : 86    

2 • MC30c Scout Frigate - MC30c (69)     - Ordnance Experts (4)    - Advanced Projectors (6)    - Assault Proton Torpedoes (5)

    • Total : 84    

3 • MC30c Scout Frigate - MC30c (69)     - Ordnance Experts (4)    - Advanced Projectors (6)    - Assault Proton Torpedoes (5)

    • Total : 84   

4 • Modified Pelta Class Command Frigate -  (60)     - Commander Sato (32)    - All Fighters Follow Me (5)

    • Total : 97    

5 • X-wing Squadron - X-wing (13) 

    • Total : 13    

6 • X-wing Squadron - X-wing (13) 

    • Total : 13   

7 • X-wing Squadron - X-wing (13) 

    • Total : 13    

8 • Objectives - Objectives (0)     - Precision Strike (0)    - Hyperspace Assault (0)    - Superior Positions (0)

[Ginkapo 9,321]

Dras. Entrapment and command fire spam

[Drasnighta 26,833]

Dras. Entrapment and command fire spam

 

Yeah, as I looked at it again, I switched to As and went Entrapment...   

Its a work in progress.

[Lochlan 1,034]

Something a little different I whipped up, but along similar lines to Dras' list:

392/400

MC30c Scout Frigate (69)

Admonition (8)

Ordnance Experts (4)

Assault Proton Torpedoes (5)

Modified Pelta-class Assault Ship (56)

Entrapment Formation! (5)

Assault Proton Torpedoes (5)

Nebulon-B Support Refit (51)

Salvation (7)

Turbolaser Reroute Circuits (7)

GR75 Medium Transport (18)

Commander Sato (32)

Bright Hope (2)

Comms Net (2)

GR75 Medium Transport (18)

Boosted Comms (4)

GR75 Medium Transport (18)

Boosted Comms (4)

Tycho Celchu (16)

Shara Bey (17)

A-Wing x4 (44)

[Destraa 222]

Like I said, it'll look SOMETHING like that. MC30s belting black dice at long range with APTs.

[Sybreed 1,110]

Salvation + Sato anyone? 2 hit/crit gives 6 dmg already

Edited December 3, 2016 by Sybreed

[Destraa 222]

Salvation + Sato anyone? 2 hit/crit gives 6 dmg already

Didn't even think of that abuse...

[Lochlan 1,034]

Salvation + Sato anyone? 2 hit/crit gives 6 dmg already

Nebulon-B Support Refit (51)

Salvation (7)

Turbolaser Reroute Circuits (7)

GR75 Medium Transport (18)

Commander Sato (32)

Bright Hope (2)

Comms Net (2)

Edited December 3, 2016 by Lochlan

[Drasnighta 26,833]

 

Salvation + Sato anyone? 2 hit/crit gives 6 dmg already

Nebulon-B Support Refit (51)

Salvation (7)

Turbolaser Reroute Circuits (7)

 

 

 

I prefer H9s in Sato's case.

 

Hitting a Brace with an ACC is better than more damage, when you're dealing ludicrous amounts of Damage.

 

 

Take TRCs if you're unsure or unlucky, to be sure...  But if you want to maximise damage potential, then H9s for Brace-Stopping is the way to do it.

[Lochlan 1,034]

I prefer H9s in Sato's case.

 

Hitting a Brace with an ACC is better than more damage, when you're dealing ludicrous amounts of Damage.

 

 

Take TRCs if you're unsure or unlucky, to be sure...  But if you want to maximise damage potential, then H9s for Brace-Stopping is the way to do it.

That is a good point. Salvation and TRC are so linked in my mind I didn't even consider a different Turbolaser. I think Spinal Armament could also have potential, but H9 is probably better (and cheaper).

[Vergilius 2,118]

Intel Officer is probably better with Salvation's style.  It wants to shoot at a fairly large target over the course of several rounds with as much distance between the targets as possible.

 

I've been running Spinal.  TRC removes Salvation's problem with variance, but at the cost of the single evade token.  I'd rather have that available for trading long range fire and either winning that exchange with Savlation alive or forcing my opponent to devote more shots than he'd like to destroying Savlation.

 

Sato will be nice on Savlation, but it still does nothing for Salvation's variance problem.  If you can feed it CF tokens every round, it makes a world of difference.

[Onidsen 571]

Personally, I wouldn't ever put TRC's on a Neb-B (even Salvation). That single evade makes it just not worth it.

 

On Salvation, Spinals are a good choice - if you want dice modification, the upcoming Dual Turbolaser Turrets look exciting. In addition, I like slaved turrets on Salvation, especially if you aren't relying on double-arcing with your neb-b (and let's be honest, we seldom do). Mostly what you lose is potential anti-squadron fire.

[Ardaedhel 10,844]

if you aren't relying on double-arcing with your neb-b (and let's be honest, we seldom do).

Erhm... Why not?  I do...  That's a free 33% increase in firepower at long range, 66% at close-medium (slightly less with Salvation, but the point stands), at the small cost of flying it well.

[Onidsen 571]

if you aren't relying on double-arcing with your neb-b (and let's be honest, we seldom do).

Erhm... Why not?  I do...  That's a free 33% increase in firepower at long range, 66% at close-medium (slightly less with Salvation, but the point stands), at the small cost of flying it well.

That should teach me to make sweeping generalizations. I wanted to preemptively defend my advocacy of slaved turrets, and ended up with statements that certainly need to get walked back.

[Ardaedhel 10,844]

if you aren't relying on double-arcing with your neb-b (and let's be honest, we seldom do).

Erhm... Why not?  I do...  That's a free 33% increase in firepower at long range, 66% at close-medium (slightly less with Salvation, but the point stands), at the small cost of flying it well.

That should teach me to make sweeping generalizations. I wanted to preemptively defend my advocacy of slaved turrets, and ended up with statements that certainly need to get walked back.

Sorry, I get overzealous in my hatred of Slaved Turrets sometimes...

[GalacticFist 202]

I see people building these lists with Sato and I usually see Tycho, which is great, but how come people don't also put in Han Solo? Solo and Sato are a match made in heaven.

[Destraa 222]

I see people building these lists with Sato and I usually see Tycho, which is great, but how come people don't also put in Han Solo? Solo and Sato are a match made in heaven.

Cost. Sato shines with swarms of fighters and you can fit two A Wings or X Wings for the cost.

[GalacticFist 202]

 

I see people building these lists with Sato and I usually see Tycho, which is great, but how come people don't also put in Han Solo? Solo and Sato are a match made in heaven.

Cost. Sato shines with swarms of fighters and you can fit two A Wings or X Wings for the cost.

 

Yea.. but you're paying a premium for reliability, what happens when those 2 A wings or 2 X wings get tied down before they get into distance 1? Arguably Han can also get tied down but he's less likely since he has grit and can hit like a truck and then move without a squadron command. I'm also curious if the fleet command All Fighters Follow Me! actually applies to Han's ability, I can't recall the wording though.  Ultimately, Han or 2 of whatever are both valid strategies, but I never see my boy Han get mentioned.

[Ardaedhel 10,844]

I see people building these lists with Sato and I usually see Tycho, which is great, but how come people don't also put in Han Solo? Solo and Sato are a match made in heaven.

Cost. Sato shines with swarms of fighters and you can fit two A Wings or X Wings for the cost.

Yea.. but you're paying a premium for reliability, what happens when those 2 A wings or 2 X wings get tied down before they get into distance 1? Arguably Han can also get tied down but he's less likely since he has grit and can hit like a truck and then move without a squadron command. I'm also curious if the fleet command All Fighters Follow Me! actually applies to Han's ability, I can't recall the wording though. Ultimately, Han or 2 of whatever are both valid strategies, but I never see my boy Han get mentioned.

AFFM doesn't apply to rogue, only to squadrons activated by ships.

Correction, I misremembered Han's ability as simply allowing him to activate at the start of the Ship Phase, when in fact it does specifically say "as if you were activated by a ship."

I still don't think it applies, but it's less cut and dry than I'd thought it was.

Edited December 5, 2016 by Ardaedhel

[Onidsen 571]

 

 

 

if you aren't relying on double-arcing with your neb-b (and let's be honest, we seldom do).

Erhm... Why not?  I do...  That's a free 33% increase in firepower at long range, 66% at close-medium (slightly less with Salvation, but the point stands), at the small cost of flying it well.

That should teach me to make sweeping generalizations. I wanted to preemptively defend my advocacy of slaved turrets, and ended up with statements that certainly need to get walked back.

Sorry, I get overzealous in my hatred of Slaved Turrets sometimes...

 

 

The cost of slaved turrets almost always outweighs the benefits, sure. I just find Salvation one of the two places where that is not always true. The second place is on a Vic-1 carrier, where it helps add a little extra punch.