Sooo...is this going to be the standard Poe?

[TrenchRunner 72]

I am a huge fan of PTL/PA/R5-P9 Poe. I added autothrusters to him and he was really useful. I had him and "Snap" Wexley together with Ezra shuttle. I really enjoyed both and I feel like the tech does make a difference. I have not tried the BB-8 Poe, but I don't trust the X-Wing without regen. They melt pretty fast. I had taken AT off of Snap in favor of IA and while I would have to make points available, I was really missing the AT.

[Schu81 733]

PS9 Poe (33)

Push the Limit (3)

BB-8 (2)

Primed Thrusters (1)

Black One Title (1)

Integrated Astromech (0)

Total: 40

 

The synergy in here makes him ridiculously maneuverable and slippery.  I'd suggest the PS9 version of him will be just as useful for the title as it would be for combat, as that would help shrug off target locks from fellow aces.

 

It's funny. That is exactly the Poe I have been playing a few times. It's an iconic Star Wars Episode 7 combination and a lot of fun!

 

When I came up with this build, of course I was thinking about the classic R5P9 Poe first and I wanted to give him Pattern Analyzer & Autothrusters, so he'd always get his important focus, even after doing a red maneuver.

But the costs simply exploded...

 

Even now, he already takes up 40 points, which is a little too much, to add 2 other very good ships into a 3 ship list.

 

Playing Poe with BB8 seems to work well though... even without regen. He is so much fun to fly and seems to be extremely maneuverable... on the same level as Jake Farrel and Soontir Fel.

 

Unfortunately Poe could get killed pretty quickly if he has to take one or two hard hits   regen and autothrusters are still important....

Edited October 31, 2016 by Schu81

[Karhedron 1,865]

I am thinking of running something like this.

42 Poe (PS9) (33), Lone Wolf (2), R5-P9 (3), Autothrusters (2), Pattern Analyser (2)
58 Dash (36), PTL (3), Kanan (3),HLC (7), Outrider title (5), EU (4)

Doesn't quite have the action economy of the PTL version but rerolls for both attack and defense as well as the native pilot ability should really make the most of the dice he does roll.

Edited October 31, 2016 by Karhedron

[Skargoth 1,703]

My bare minimum PS9 Poe is LW, R5-P9, AT at 40 points. The PtL/R2D2 variant is nice too, but it's more expensive and then you want to add Pattern Analyzers. Black One is another consideration, but LW Poe has his whole dial to play with unless dealing with a stress mechanic.

So, 40-45 points. Will be situational.

[Dosiere 478]

I've used PS 8 Poe + VI + r5p9 + PA + AT + title to good effect. Pattern analyzer is perfect for him. I hate that you never get to do anything but focus, and I've tried the Ps 9 Poe switching out Vi for PTL. More fun to fly, for sure. A bit too pricey for me though as well.

As much as I'd love to see a non regen Poe become the norm, I don't currently see that happening.

It's like taking r2d2 on Norra, or not. Can she be good without r2? Yes. Is it usually as good as using r2? I'd say no.

That said, some of the other T70 pilots lend themselves well to crazy repositioning and Bb8 shenanigans that can use the title as well.

[TitaniumChopstick 701]

My bare minimum PS9 Poe is LW, R5-P9, AT at 40 points. The PtL/R2D2 variant is nice too, but it's more expensive and then you want to add Pattern Analyzers. Black One is another consideration, but LW Poe has his whole dial to play with unless dealing with a stress mechanic.

So, 40-45 points. Will be situational.

Your LW Poe is the same Poe that I use and man is he Good! I generally use PS 8 Poe though, to add more points for his support. In my expierience he doesn't really need PS 9 now that Soontir is all but gone. You can always pair him with stress Braylen or something if you're worried about arcdodgers anyways, which will be a more effective counter than +1 PS. Also, at PS 8 there isn't really need for and initiative bit either, so you can use all 100 points. Edited October 31, 2016 by TitaniumChopstick

[TitaniumChopstick 701]

I am thinking of running something like this.42 Poe (PS9) (33), Lone Wolf (2), R5-P9 (3), Autothrusters (2), Pattern Analyser (2)58 Dash (36), PTL (3), Kanan (3),HLC (7), Outrider title (5), EU (4)

Doesn't quite have the action economy of the PTL version but rerolls for both attack and defense as well as the native pilot ability should really make the most of the dice he does roll.

I've run this list before, and this Poe is the best regen wingman for Dash I've played. It does get a little tricky sometimes keeping LW active since Dash moves so fast, but Poe is almost impossible to kill unless your opponent has 4+ attack dice on him every turn.

[All Shields Forward 1,797]

I don't think R2D2 will be as effective in the future. There are good ways to get ion on the table now.

IonD and Hux will shutdown anything that triggers off green maneuvers.

Edited November 1, 2016 by All Shields Forward

[AlexW 2,902]

No....no

No regen = way too easy to kill.

You can never be slippery enough to dodge turrets. Hell, even against nonturrers, yoyre just going to lose the dice war.

Poe or no, the t70 is a horrible platform to trade dice with and, unless youre an xwing god, you WILL bectrading dice

 

 

I think that Poe will be solid but he's 40 points for those three attack dice and no regen.

 

So does that mean a BB-8 Poe can't be competitive?

No, it means I think there are better builds but this will win games. As fickle pointed out, turrets don't care about that loadout. I also think Defenders won't have much of a problem either, kturning behind him and having the tokens to prevent shots from getting through.

[Archangelspiv 1,938]

My Poe is

PS 9 Poe

Title

R2-D2

Autothrusters

PTL

Sensor Cluster

As long as he can get a focus he can dodge 2 hits, use R2 to get back shields.

[mxlm 902]

Which you fly depends completely now how much stress is in your meta

 

Pretty sure it also depends on how many Hot Cops are walking your local beat.

[clanofwolves 4,136]

Haven't flown Poe yet as I haven't gotten that far in my pilot training. It seems these builds run the 40-45 point range so she better fly slippery and give some pain.....oh, and make it through at least four rounds of trading shots....or more.

[Cerve 661]

For whom says that Regen Poe is the only way, I need to say that actually the best way to use R2-D2 is to NOT trigger it.

Equip it, yes, but not trigger it.

T-70 lacks on green maneuver. And you can regenerate all the shield you want but just 1 per turn. And limiting yourself to 4 short green manevuer.

And no boost if you want a focus.

The thing besides R2-D2 is that you want that your opponent belive you will be a green maneuver. Not the rigenerate itself.

Be unpredictable. And with a Jouster, that is gold.

Of course, you can do it when needed. But guys, metagame is changed a lot since the TLT spam. Pretend to run Poe as 1 year ago is simply useless, to me.

Now, Poe has a lot of tricks and builds that can use.

[SEApocalypse 4,439]

No....no

No regen = way too easy to kill.

You can never be slippery enough to dodge turrets. Hell, even against nonturrers, yoyre just going to lose the dice war.

Poe or no, the t70 is a horrible platform to trade dice with and, unless youre an xwing god, you WILL bectrading dice

 

 

TIE-Interceptor Dial vs T-70 Dial: 

 

vs 

 

 

I kind of agree. If BB8 would proc of white too, you would be pretty slippery and could go more often for whites and still do double re-position at PS9, but BB-8 requires a green move, which means your rather limited with only having a boost avaible when stressed. Furthermore you lack the autothruster and have only agi 2 and really want to have this focus token too, which means you will do for the most part your greens to get use out of BB-8. 

 

 

BB-8 is still great especially in this combination which allows you to roll and boost even when you acquired double stress, bu turrets should eat you alive even when a little bit more unpredictable as a stressed TIE-Interceptor. 

[Hobojebus 11,341]

40 points with no regen is a big nope for high end games as six hit points behind two greens is not tough to kill ask anyone who's flown bombers.

[Mrk1984 491]

I don't think there is going to be a standard Poe. There are so many options for him, and it will always depend on the number of free points you have in your list. Regen Poe will probably never be replaced by any other version at a major tournament, but the other versions are/seem very fun. But when you approach/pass 40 points on a ship, it better have more than 6/7 hit points, regen, or be hard to hit.

As for PS9 vs PS8, obviously FFG would change it if they could, and PS9 Poe would probably be a point cheaper, but if(big if) you have points, it's not a horrible upgrade.

[TitaniumChopstick 701]

For whom says that Regen Poe is the only way, I need to say that actually the best way to use R2-D2 is to NOT trigger it.

Equip it, yes, but not trigger it.

T-70 lacks on green maneuver. And you can regenerate all the shield you want but just 1 per turn. And limiting yourself to 4 short green manevuer.

And no boost if you want a focus.

The thing besides R2-D2 is that you want that your opponent belive you will be a green maneuver. Not the rigenerate itself.

Be unpredictable. And with a Jouster, that is gold.

Of course, you can do it when needed. But guys, metagame is changed a lot since the TLT spam. Pretend to run Poe as 1 year ago is simply useless, to me.

Now, Poe has a lot of tricks and builds that can use.

r5-p9 lets Poe use his whole dial and synergizes with his ability perfectly. It would be far more effective to use that droid almost every round than equip R2 and never use him for the sake of being unpredictable.

[Hobojebus 11,341]

In a competitive setting you pick the safer option as you want a consistent performance free of nasty surprises.

[Cerve 661]

For whom says that Regen Poe is the only way, I need to say that actually the best way to use R2-D2 is to NOT trigger it.

Equip it, yes, but not trigger it.

T-70 lacks on green maneuver. And you can regenerate all the shield you want but just 1 per turn. And limiting yourself to 4 short green manevuer.

And no boost if you want a focus.

The thing besides R2-D2 is that you want that your opponent belive you will be a green maneuver. Not the rigenerate itself.

Be unpredictable. And with a Jouster, that is gold.

Of course, you can do it when needed. But guys, metagame is changed a lot since the TLT spam. Pretend to run Poe as 1 year ago is simply useless, to me.

Now, Poe has a lot of tricks and builds that can use.

r5-p9 lets Poe use his whole dial and synergizes with his ability perfectly. It would be far more effective to use that droid almost every round than equip R2 and never use him for the sake of being unpredictable.

Never, Always....such a bad words.

R2-D2 still better in any case. Because you don't have to "never" spend your token for regen. And you don't have to "never" do a green maneuver with it.

Do you need to do every time a K turn with a Tie Defender? Good players will say "no".

R2-D2 is the same.

Edited November 1, 2016 by Cerve

[ObiWonka 7,040]

Poe can use almost any Tech upgrade very well. Which his awesome, and means there won't likely be a "standard" version. One that out-performs most? Sure, but standard no.

[Kdubb 6,642]

BB-8 Poe is fun, and that will always be something it has going for it and the new tools in Heroes just makes it even more fun. But if you are looking at Poe from a purely competitive stand point, you simply cannot beat the efficiency of his regen builds.

 

When I see a Poe without a regen droid, my worries about the match up are immediately reduced 10 fold. Knowing any little "plink" of damage will stick to him is a BIG deal. When he has regen you don't have that, and you often find you might as well not even bother to fire at him because he will just regen the small amount of damage you get through.

 

For those who believe R2D2 is purely better than R5P9, I wouldn't be so certain. Especially with the addition of Pattern Analyzer. Being able to do T-Rolls and K-turns and STILL pick up that focus is just ridiculous. Seriously, play with it or against it, and you will just shake your head at how stupid it is that now Poe can regen on even RED maneuvers. Or maneuvers going through debris. It's. Just. STUPID.

 

PS I absolutely hate regen and think it needs to be retooled as a mechanic altogether, but I can't deny how effective regen Poe is.

[Cerve 661]

I will explain more. Regen Poe rocks in a meta of TLT spam turrets. TLT spam no needs arc dodge, barrel roll, doing other movement shenanigans etc.

So as an enemy you don't need to dodge those: they will shoot you anyway.

And that's why 2agi AT+Poe rule rocks. Poe takes near 1-2 damages by 4 TLT.

Well, in THIS scenario regen is amazing. 0-2 damages, then -1 regen? It's nearly unstopable.

But what happens now? Do you (all, not you ) belive that a regen Poe still works vs Zuckuss crew? Double tap Dengar? Asajj? Ketsu pilot (she will destroy him if she will trigger her rule just once). No, I don't think so. In this scenario, I think to prefer an agile Poe much more than a regen Poe.

Maybe if 4TLT will return..but I don't think so.

About R5-P9, fight vs Carnor and you will cry. That's still enough.

Anyway, R2-D2 still better because you are totally indipendent from that token. And there's a lot of ways that will screw it up. Carnor in just one. Palob, Old Teroch etc...

Sometimes you will spend that focus to stop 2 hits.

Again, R5-P9 doesn't works if you bumps. R2-D2 still works.

R2-D2 is simply safer than R5-P9

Edited November 1, 2016 by Cerve

[ForceM 1,456]

I am pretty sure that this is going to be the new Standard Poe here:

Poe Dameron (31)

Push the Limit (3)

R5-P9 (3)

Pattern Analyzer (2)

Autothrusters (2)

Black One (1)

Total: 42

It has regen, enough mobility with boost, a lot of defensive mechanisms through AT, Title, Regen. Pattern Analyzer is a nice addition because before it i tended to run Predator or Lone Wolf. But now, you can PTL, do Reds and have an easier time with Stress... that's just awesome. Expensive, but definitely dangerous.

[ForceM 1,456]

I will explain more. Regen Poe rocks in a meta of TLT spam turrets. TLT spam no needs arc dodge, barrel roll, doing other movement shenanigans etc.

So as an enemy you don't need to dodge those: they will shoot you anyway.

And that's why 2agi AT+Poe rule rocks. Poe takes near 1-2 damages by 4 TLT.

Well, in THIS scenario regen is amazing. 0-2 damages, then -1 regen? It's nearly unstopable.

But what happens now? Do you (all, not you ) belive that a regen Poe still works vs Zuckuss crew? Double tap Dengar? Asajj? Ketsu pilot (she will destroy him if she will trigger her rule just once). No, I don't think so. In this scenario, I think to prefer an agile Poe much more than a regen Poe.

Maybe if 4TLT will return..but I don't think so.

About R5-P9, fight vs Carnor and you will cry. That's still enough.

Anyway, R2-D2 still better because you are totally indipendent from that token. And there's a lot of ways that will screw it up. Carnor in just one. Palob, Old Teroch etc...

Sometimes you will spend that focus to stop 2 hits.

Again, R5-P9 doesn't works if you bumps. R2-D2 still works.

R2-D2 is simply safer than R5-P9

In fact the Shadow Caster does not particularly impress me, and Zuckuss is only really a problem on Manaroo. But then Manaroo is a problem for most other squads.

In my book after U-Boats are gone, there are no lists that hardcore shut down Regen Poe.

As for R2D2 you are probably right. But often i will need R2 on another ship, and R5-P9 is totally okay for Poe, even more with Pattern analyzer now. Carnor is bad news, but i don't encounter him a lot. Soontir is better in most cases and in my experience, Carnor dies horrible deaths, often before he can do anything of use.

Edited November 1, 2016 by ForceM

[TitaniumChopstick 701]

I will explain more. Regen Poe rocks in a meta of TLT spam turrets. TLT spam no needs arc dodge, barrel roll, doing other movement shenanigans etc.

So as an enemy you don't need to dodge those: they will shoot you anyway.

And that's why 2agi AT+Poe rule rocks. Poe takes near 1-2 damages by 4 TLT.

Well, in THIS scenario regen is amazing. 0-2 damages, then -1 regen? It's nearly unstopable.

But what happens now? Do you (all, not you ) belive that a regen Poe still works vs Zuckuss crew? Double tap Dengar? Asajj? Ketsu pilot (she will destroy him if she will trigger her rule just once). No, I don't think so. In this scenario, I think to prefer an agile Poe much more than a regen Poe.

Maybe if 4TLT will return..but I don't think so.

About R5-P9, fight vs Carnor and you will cry. That's still enough.

Anyway, R2-D2 still better because you are totally indipendent from that token. And there's a lot of ways that will screw it up. Carnor in just one. Palob, Old Teroch etc...

Sometimes you will spend that focus to stop 2 hits.

Again, R5-P9 doesn't works if you bumps. R2-D2 still works.

R2-D2 is simply safer than R5-P9

Biggs solves 99% of the problems that R5-P9 Poe has, so why not just run those two together and focus fire on the likes of Palob, Terry, etc. then be able to take advantage of R5 against the ships that are left. 1v1 R5 Poe should be able to beat both R2 and BB8 Poe by increased maneuverability against the former and plain regen in the later.