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It would definetively be clever to release a product with ships from old movies when "Rogue One" is released. Maybe Rebel Veterans with E-wing and Y-wings. And possibly with some cards helping the T-65 out a bit. We will see T-65 in the movie (see latest trailer), so it would be good when FFG use the Rogue One movie for an expansion. Maybe it is the mystic SW58 product?

And how could FFG implement the new T-65 X-wing pilots? New expansion of X-wings or complete movie related expansion such as "Heroes of the Reistance"?

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The Y-wing fix came in the most wanted expansion. The E-wing is an old legacy ship from the tossed out EU, don't expect any love there. The T-65 is hard for them to do much with because of Biggs. Other than a bunch of new pilots, see rebel transport, the x-wing is what it is. Clearly they want people looking at the T-70 to support their new movies. There are a few scum ships that need fixing, but they are rather obscure ships and from the old EU/video games, so I am not sure they care too much about those ships. Though a scum aces pack is still possible.

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a new expansion is all well and good but I expect that they would take advatage of the marketing powerhouse assocated with a new film to bring in new players. so a new starter set just makes sense. I'm still betting on swx58 being one. time will tell.

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If a Rebel Veterans was to come out, expect it to have Y- and X-wings. With the newly released info*, General Merrick would likely be a pilot, along with the unnamed female pilot which may or may not be Evaan Verlaine.

As for E-wings, consideing their legends background we may not see them again for a ling time, unless they (and k-wings) are canonized as clone wars era craft.

* http://www.slashfilm.com/rogue-one-images-card-trader/

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If a Rebel Veterans was to come out, expect it to have Y- and X-wings. With the newly released info*, General Merrick would likely be a pilot, along with the unnamed female pilot which may or may not be Evaan Verlaine.

* http://www.slashfilm.com/rogue-one-images-card-trader/

I think that would be better with a Battle for Yavin expansion pack.

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If there where a Rebels veterans pack coming out I would really like to see the E-Wing get a new title or something as well as the A-Wing (especially seeing how much use it gets in Star Wars Rebels). It may not be plausible but that's what I'd like to see!

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I mean, I personally think Rebel Veterans will be Xs and Ys, for naming reasons - and they could easily push a new Y or E onto another Huge ship. The fact that there's at least one alternate paint-scheme for the X in the new film makes me pretty sure there will be a push for a new mini.

 

That said, we have kind of three different animals when it comes to "fixes". 

 

X-Wings are basically out-dated. They do not have a role which is not done either better, or just with better point efficiency by other rebel ships. There's a lot of ways FFG could improve this and already have, though sadly VT and IA can't be used at the same time. Some of these might not even require an X-Wing specific pack, but also could just as efficiently be done with a title or two. (Or a Chardaan equivalent to pull their cost down by a few points, as I'm pretty sure we're past the point where five naked Rookies is a scary thing). I would say a more offensive leaning "fix" would be better suited over a survivability one, because Biggs. That said, since it was in Core, it's own Expansion and a Huge - there are a bucket of X-Wing pilots already. 

 

Ys are fairly healthy, having already been re-released once, but for Rebels they might use a few more pilots (with EPT slots, jesus) and it's kind of annoying that the really good **** is in a cross-faction big box. But since the work is already done this also would mean a pretty easy thing to say, do like a Rebel Hammerhead huge, throw in a slightly different Y and throw in a couple copies of the Title and Bomb Loadout with a couple of new Y pilots, preferably some of them with EPTs. Or you could make a lot of people happy with some kind of "Longprobe" function.

 

The E is a similar beast to the Y, in that it has a very limited pool of pilots, (one of whom is pretty good in normal play so you have to be careful about the improvements). They also have a weird role issue. Best way to do this "Fix" is to introduce a couple more pilots, and then some upgrade to reduce point cost which uses a slot Corran wants for something else. Or just suck it up, and now the E is the Rebels' Defender. Looking at the E, I'm not really sure what to do with them besides utilize their two unique pilots abilities, so maybe they could just use some new tricks. Issue is that, thematically, the poor E-Wing doesn't really fit anywhere into the canon yet, and makes picking a bundle to stick it in kind of awkward. Incom-FreiTek is a thing, so it's possible that the new canon might place the E-Wing back in it's place during the New Republic era as a modernized fighter design for patrol and escort duty. But that'll have to wait until further works start detailing that era. 

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Well, there's still a lot of pilots who don't have X-Wings yet:

 

Tycho Celchu

Isplourrdacartha Estillo ("Plourr")

Dak Ralter

Gavin Darklighter

Corran Horn

Many more... (see http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rogue_Squadron/Legends)

 

Although I still think we're missing at least two rebel Y-Wings that are desperately needed:

 

Keyan Farlander

Davish Krail

 

So, yeah, I don't see any remakes of other rebel ships (E-Wings, B-Wings) any time soon.

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I still think a tech slot with a slight point cost reduction on the tech you put in it on the E-Wing and Star Viper is the way to go.. they are both meant to be futuristic super fighters (The E-Wing being a EU New Rupublic ship, and the Star Viper being a unique fighter that was financed by a prince, which only later went into production), both suffer from not really being where there points suggest they should be or really being that super-fightery (very much the situation the Defender was in for a long while).

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This again?

Heroes of the Resistance is the Rebel counterpart to Imperial Veterans.

Y-Wings do not need any kind of 'fix', because they are fine as they are now.

A-Wings do not need any kind of 'fix', because they are fine as they are now.

Tech slots will not be given to any pre-Force Awakens ships, because the entire point of the slot is to represent 30-odd years of advancement.
There is not going to be another starter set only a year after the last one.

There is little reason to believe that FFG will completely abandon any existing ship because of EU origins - case in point, the Defender.

The non-Corran E-Wings will most easily be fixed through the Astromech slot; then, whatever form it takes, it cannot stack with shield regen and break Corran.

The fixes for the Starviper and Scyk will likely be in a S+V Epic ship, a S+V equivalent to Heroes of the Resistance/Imperial Veterans, or spread over both.

The missing product code might be one of those, or may well just be a mat or some accessory like the coloured bases. Whatever it is, we probably won't see it before next year.

The mythical X-Wing 'fix' is not going to involve turning it into a carbon copy of the T-70, or anything to do with S-Foils. In my opinion, there will never be a single, dedicated 'fix' card for it.

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In my opinion, there will never be a single, dedicated 'fix' card for it.

I don't see why not, the Defender got 2 dedicated "fix" cards. Is the X-wing in as bad a place as the pre-fix Defenders? Hard to call but they are not great.

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This again?

Heroes of the Resistance is the Rebel counterpart to Imperial Veterans.

Y-Wings do not need any kind of 'fix', because they are fine as they are now.

A-Wings do not need any kind of 'fix', because they are fine as they are now.

Tech slots will not be given to any pre-Force Awakens ships, because the entire point of the slot is to represent 30-odd years of advancement.

There is not going to be another starter set only a year after the last one.

There is little reason to believe that FFG will completely abandon any existing ship because of EU origins - case in point, the Defender.

The non-Corran E-Wings will most easily be fixed through the Astromech slot; then, whatever form it takes, it cannot stack with shield regen and break Corran.

The fixes for the Starviper and Scyk will likely be in a S+V Epic ship, a S+V equivalent to Heroes of the Resistance/Imperial Veterans, or spread over both.

The missing product code might be one of those, or may well just be a mat or some accessory like the coloured bases. Whatever it is, we probably won't see it before next year.

The mythical X-Wing 'fix' is not going to involve turning it into a carbon copy of the T-70, or anything to do with S-Foils. In my opinion, there will never be a single, dedicated 'fix' card for it.

 

Not really sure that it's true that Heroes of the Resistance is the counterpart to Imperial Veterans. It seems more like a cash in on The Force Awakens. While it did give a bump to the T-70 those fixes could easily have been part of other expansions. The real "fix" there was the YT-1300. This still leaves T-65's, Y-wing, E-wing and B-wings in the dust.

 

Y-wing are not fine as they are now. You rarely see anything but the gold squadron stresshog. With the ARC-170 now in play that might also go out the window (unless you're on a budget) since Braylen Stramm does the job better in most cases.

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Hotr IS technically the counterpart to imp vets

 

both the YT-1300 and T-70 were pretty **** after Wave 7 (T-70 being **** on release apart from regen poe, due to being a mark-up of a hideously overpriced x-wing base) and both needed fixes (though really what the yt-1300 needed was a mobile arc...swing and a miss, ffg <_< )

 

Hotr helps a lot (even the new pilots just cost less than their PS equivalents, ie Nien versus asty), but I doubt you'll see either of them after the set as they weren't as aggressive with the additions as they were with Imp Vets

 

still, it is an "ace" pack for ships that required it

 

 

 

and Ys are fine. It's more that the named Ys are just inexplicably overpriced (See also B-wings)

 

soon as torp scouts die out, though, TLT spam could come back to being a thing and you really don't want to make that any better

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This again?

Heroes of the Resistance is the Rebel counterpart to Imperial Veterans.

Y-Wings do not need any kind of 'fix', because they are fine as they are now.

A-Wings do not need any kind of 'fix', because they are fine as they are now.

Tech slots will not be given to any pre-Force Awakens ships, because the entire point of the slot is to represent 30-odd years of advancement.

There is not going to be another starter set only a year after the last one.

There is little reason to believe that FFG will completely abandon any existing ship because of EU origins - case in point, the Defender.

The non-Corran E-Wings will most easily be fixed through the Astromech slot; then, whatever form it takes, it cannot stack with shield regen and break Corran.

The fixes for the Starviper and Scyk will likely be in a S+V Epic ship, a S+V equivalent to Heroes of the Resistance/Imperial Veterans, or spread over both.

The missing product code might be one of those, or may well just be a mat or some accessory like the coloured bases. Whatever it is, we probably won't see it before next year.

The mythical X-Wing 'fix' is not going to involve turning it into a carbon copy of the T-70, or anything to do with S-Foils. In my opinion, there will never be a single, dedicated 'fix' card for it.

In my opinion, there will never be a single, dedicated 'fix' card for it.

I don't see why not, the Defender got 2 dedicated "fix" cards. Is the X-wing in as bad a place as the pre-fix Defenders? Hard to call but they are not great.
And, more glaringly in my mind, the TIE/X1 title. Getting a systems slot that reduces price of the systems and for 0 points is as about a blatant a fix as I can think of.

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There's no reason they can't release a pack that includes Y-wing pilots.  Remember, they included the B-wing in Rebel Aces simply to give it some more variety (at the time the B-wing was in a great spot balance-wise).

 

It isn't always about "fixes".  

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There's no reason they can't release a pack that includes Y-wing pilots.  Remember, they included the B-wing in Rebel Aces simply to give it some more variety (at the time the B-wing was in a great spot balance-wise).

 

It isn't always about "fixes".

True, but giving stuff to something that doesn't need help, when there are ships that do need help is silly.

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This again?

Heroes of the Resistance is the Rebel counterpart to Imperial Veterans.

Y-Wings do not need any kind of 'fix', because they are fine as they are now.

A-Wings do not need any kind of 'fix', because they are fine as they are now.

Tech slots will not be given to any pre-Force Awakens ships, because the entire point of the slot is to represent 30-odd years of advancement.

There is not going to be another starter set only a year after the last one.

There is little reason to believe that FFG will completely abandon any existing ship because of EU origins - case in point, the Defender.

The non-Corran E-Wings will most easily be fixed through the Astromech slot; then, whatever form it takes, it cannot stack with shield regen and break Corran.

The fixes for the Starviper and Scyk will likely be in a S+V Epic ship, a S+V equivalent to Heroes of the Resistance/Imperial Veterans, or spread over both.

The missing product code might be one of those, or may well just be a mat or some accessory like the coloured bases. Whatever it is, we probably won't see it before next year.

The mythical X-Wing 'fix' is not going to involve turning it into a carbon copy of the T-70, or anything to do with S-Foils. In my opinion, there will never be a single, dedicated 'fix' card for it.

 

 

I agree with you on this 100%. I would also add that the X-wings, T65 and T70 do not need fixes as dramatic as everyone is making them out to be in my opinion. Not as desperately as other ships which are almost never fielded competitively by any pilot. 

 

Right now I see a lot of balance, your just as likely to see a T65 as you are an A-Wing, an Interceptor, or a Phantom. Right now I feel you can build around your favorite ship and have a decent list if flown well. Hell, I'm taking a T65, T70, and Hawk for regionals! 

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if they snuck in a Rebel Vets along Rogue One, the Xwing would be in there not the Ewing.

Some new rebel ywing pilots WITH A BLOODY EPT would be awesome. Honestly though, aside from adding an EPT or some new pilot abilities not sure what else the ywing needs lol. Only reason the generic is used and not the named guys is because even the named guys have no EPT and their abilities are lackluster at best so go with the budget ship instead.

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if they snuck in a Rebel Vets along Rogue One, the Xwing would be in there not the Ewing.

Some new rebel ywing pilots WITH A BLOODY EPT would be awesome. Honestly though, aside from adding an EPT or some new pilot abilities not sure what else the ywing needs lol. Only reason the generic is used and not the named guys is because even the named guys have no EPT and their abilities are lackluster at best so go with the budget ship instead.

Veterans always have 2 ships. X and E. I don't understand why people keep saying X instead of E. Every single standalone pack has had 2 ships in it.

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The Y-wing fix came in the most wanted expansion. The E-wing is an old legacy ship from the tossed out EU, don't expect any love there. The T-65 is hard for them to do much with because of Biggs. Other than a bunch of new pilots, see rebel transport, the x-wing is what it is. Clearly they want people looking at the T-70 to support their new movies. There are a few scum ships that need fixing, but they are rather obscure ships and from the old EU/video games, so I am not sure they care too much about those ships. Though a scum aces pack is still possible.

Nope, the y-wing fix came with the K-wing expansion: TLT 

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This again?

Heroes of the Resistance is the Rebel counterpart to Imperial Veterans.

Y-Wings do not need any kind of 'fix', because they are fine as they are now.

A-Wings do not need any kind of 'fix', because they are fine as they are now.

Tech slots will not be given to any pre-Force Awakens ships, because the entire point of the slot is to represent 30-odd years of advancement.

There is not going to be another starter set only a year after the last one.

There is little reason to believe that FFG will completely abandon any existing ship because of EU origins - case in point, the Defender.

The non-Corran E-Wings will most easily be fixed through the Astromech slot; then, whatever form it takes, it cannot stack with shield regen and break Corran.

The fixes for the Starviper and Scyk will likely be in a S+V Epic ship, a S+V equivalent to Heroes of the Resistance/Imperial Veterans, or spread over both.

The missing product code might be one of those, or may well just be a mat or some accessory like the coloured bases. Whatever it is, we probably won't see it before next year.

The mythical X-Wing 'fix' is not going to involve turning it into a carbon copy of the T-70, or anything to do with S-Foils. In my opinion, there will never be a single, dedicated 'fix' card for it.

 

 

I agree with you on this 100%. I would also add that the X-wings, T65 and T70 do not need fixes as dramatic as everyone is making them out to be in my opinion. Not as desperately as other ships which are almost never fielded competitively by any pilot. 

 

Right now I see a lot of balance, your just as likely to see a T65 as you are an A-Wing, an Interceptor, or a Phantom. Right now I feel you can build around your favorite ship and have a decent list if flown well. Hell, I'm taking a T65, T70, and Hawk for regionals!

A rebel HWK? You, sir, have my respect. I'm guessing Roark?

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Nope, the y-wing fix came with the K-wing expansion: TLT

The Y-wing doesn't need a fix per-se but it does need more variety. Some more pilots and a few EPTs would be very welcome. A plain Veteran pilot at PS5 and an EPT for ~21 points would not give TLT spam anything it doesn't have already but would be quite handy for a budget ordnance carrier with Deadeye (a counterpart to the Gamma Squadron Veteran). 21 points would be just right as you could not spam 4 of them in a list if you want to include extra munitions too. Then include Pops and Keyan as your Aces and you are good to go.

Having said all this, we have no idea what FFG's release schedule is. Maybe Scum will get the next veterans box, maybe not.

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