DarkPhoenix 17 Posted September 23, 2016 (edited) The cost at the end of the round. What about Azain Silverbeard? Edited September 23, 2016 by DarkPhoenix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PsychoRocka 1,189 Posted September 23, 2016 (edited) No and no. Elronds resources can be used to pay for allies from any sphere. In both of those cases you are paying for that characters response not for the ally itself. Edited September 23, 2016 by PsychoRocka Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PsychoRocka 1,189 Posted September 23, 2016 Just to clarify Elrond's resources can be used to pay for and play Azain but not for Azain's ability. 1 dr00 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DarkPhoenix 17 Posted September 23, 2016 Are you sure that "pay" means only "pay to put into play" and not "pay for the effect of"? I dont want to game the system, but its still paying for allies, just not to play them from hand. All 3 cards require/allow to "spend" resources of specific sphere. Grimbeorn is in the same boat with those dwarves, if i am not mistaken. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monkeyrama 133 Posted September 23, 2016 I'm with PsychoRocka here, since the cards specify that you need to spend resources of a certain sphere, and Elrond's resources are Lore, unless you attach songs. I wouldn't say that Elrond's resources would count as the correct sphere, since his card does not say that he gains the correct sphere while paying for allies, merely that he can use his resources to pay for allies of other spheres. Since each ally mentioned above needs a specific sphere match for the resource, and it is being used to pay for a card effect and not an ally itself, I would say that Elrond cannot be used in this way. 2 PsychoRocka and Teamjimby reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monkeyrama 133 Posted September 23, 2016 Of course, I may be wrong, and rulings can sometimes be counter-intuitive, but usually the game specifies when a card gains a resource icon while paying for a card (Gandalf) rather than just being able to use a certain colour of resource for a different colour. (sphere, sorry) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PsychoRocka 1,189 Posted September 23, 2016 You are not "paying for an ally" you are paying to activate or use a response effect that is featured on that ally. Feel free to send in a rules question but I am certain on this one. 1 rbaker1978 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GrandSpleen 1,756 Posted September 23, 2016 (edited) PsychoRocka and monkeyrama are correct. You also cannot use Elrond as a resource match for a 0-cost ally like the Dunedain Hunter. Edited September 23, 2016 by GrandSpleen 1 dr00 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kakita Shiro 992 Posted September 23, 2016 Are you sure that "pay" means only "pay to put into play" and not "pay for the effect of"? I dont want to game the system, but its still paying for allies, just not to play them from hand. All 3 cards require/allow to "spend" resources of specific sphere. Grimbeorn is in the same boat with those dwarves, if i am not mistaken. Elrond can't pay for Grimbeorn either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DarkPhoenix 17 Posted September 23, 2016 Well, thats a bummer. Thanks for replies, tho I guess i gonna send question to Caleb just in case, tho you are probably right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DarkPhoenix 17 Posted September 23, 2016 Yeap, official answer you can only use the resources to pay the initial cost. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GrandSpleen 1,756 Posted September 23, 2016 I love to help people with rules questions, really I do, but if you're just going to ask the developers even when the community is sure.... 2 rbaker1978 and dr00 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kakita Shiro 992 Posted September 23, 2016 I love to help people with rules questions, really I do, but if you're just going to ask the developers even when the community is sure.... To my mind, the issue here is that he is clearly trying to game the system while claiming to not want to game the system. Just be honest. 1 PsychoRocka reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GrandSpleen 1,756 Posted September 23, 2016 Hey, I'm not even honest when I play the game. Oh I used Caldara to put allies into play, then used Gandalf to draw cards and drew into a Northern Tracker which I can discard via Arwen. Yeah, I would have discarded that Tracker before I used Caladara if I had done that first. So that's what happened. --- I would like to leave the developers out of questions that the community can satisfactorily answer, though. Let 'em work undisturbed. 3 Teamjimby, Authraw and rbaker1978 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DarkPhoenix 17 Posted September 24, 2016 To my mind, the issue here is that he is clearly trying to game the system while claiming to not want to game the system. Just be honest. I thought finding clever combinations of cards is one of the aspects of this game... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dr00 88 Posted September 24, 2016 Well, thats a bummer. Thanks for replies, tho I guess i gonna send question to Caleb just in case, tho you are probably right. i came to post the same thing as GrandSpleen, so i won't pile on too much, but i will point out that the answers you got in this thread were based on previous official answers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
