Immunity Question

[Matrix3301 0]

I have a littlie confuse for immunity.

For Example: I played Baratheon, and my opponent played Stark, I have Renly Baratheon(B73) in the play. my opponent have Sansa Stark(S9) and Lady(S15) in the play. Renly can immune to opponent's character abilities. When Sansa attack me, her strength count 3 or 2? so Lady's ability have still effecting? Another one, if a character immune to another character abilities, is this include Keyword? such as, deadly or stealth?

[Rogue30 60]

Rex Tan said:

Lady's ability have still effecting?

Yes. Lady works directly on Sansa. Renly's immunity have nothing to do with it.

Rex Tan said:

if a character immune to another character abilities, is this include Keyword? such as, deadly or stealth?

"Card abilities" (i.e. "Character ability,"
"Location ability," or "Attachment ability")
refers to anything in a card's text box, except
for traits, keywords, and flavor text.

[Matrix3301 0]

Rogue30 said:

"Card abilities" (i.e. "Character ability,"
"Location ability," or "Attachment ability")
refers to anything in a card's text box, except
for traits, keywords, and flavor text.

so, you mean someone immune another character abilities.  traits, keywords and flavor will still work ?

[ktom 598]

Rex Tan said:

Rogue30 said:

 

"Card abilities" (i.e. "Character ability,"
"Location ability," or "Attachment ability")
refers to anything in a card's text box, except
for traits, keywords, and flavor text.

 

 

so, you mean someone immune another character abilities.  traits, keywords and flavor will still work ?

Yes. The quoted rule from the FAQ says that keywords do not count as character abilities. Think of this: immunity is a keyword. How confusing would it be if one card would be immune to another card's immunity! (Traits and flavor text are moot for immunity because they never act on any card other than the ones they are printed on.) Note that keywords are still considered "card effect," even though they are not character abilities, so a character immune to "card effects" would be immune to keywords.

The FAQ has a section about immunity that might help if there are still parts about it that are confusing.

[Matrix3301 0]

ktom said:

 

Note that keywords are still considered "card effect," even though they are not character abilities, so a character immune to "card effects" would be immune to keywords.

 

 

Thanks ktom. But i don't think so your card effect.  I checked faq 1-3-1. The following words from faq

(3.7) Card Abilities
"Card abilities" (i.e. "Character ability,"
"Location ability," or "Attachment ability")
refers to anything in a card's text box, except
for traits, keywords, and flavor text. "Card
abilities" also refers to any abilities (again,
keywords and traits are excluded) gained by
card effects

In accord that, card abilities except for traits, keywords, and flavor text

Or you mean, Card Abilities different with Card Effect.

[ktom 598]

Rex Tan said:

Or you mean, Card Abilities different with Card Effect.

 

Correct. "Card abilities" are a subset of "card effects." 

For example, plots don't have "abilities." Neither do Agendas. You'll never see anything referring to "plot abilities" in the rules. But they obviously have "effects."

Or how about the keywords? We know they aren't "abilities" (by definition), but does that mean they should not be treated - or timed - as "passive effects," even though they meet every part of the definition of passive effects?

So yes, everything written on a card that initiates in some way is a card "effect," but only effects that meet certain criteria are considered card "abilities."

[thorin_81 0]

Ok, I am a little confused about this...

1) For example can Cat 'o the Cannals be bypassed by stealth? I don't think so, but, as I said, I am confused.

2) Is the Red Viper (princes of the sun) immune to king Balon's Host ability? does he retain his stealth or not?

[ktom 598]

thorin_81 said:

1) For example can Cat 'o the Cannals be bypassed by stealth? I don't think so, but, as I said, I am confused.

 

Correct. Stealth is a card effect. Cat is immune to card effects. So she cannot be bypassed by stealth. (But Stealth is not a character ability, so Red Viper can be bypassed by Stealth.)

thorin_81 said:

2) Is the Red Viper (princes of the sun) immune to king Balon's Host ability? does he retain his stealth or not?

 

Well, remember that King Balon's Host only takes away non-immunity keywords, so there is no conflict or interaction between that ability and the Viper's immunity to character abilities. Now, when you ask whether he retains his "stealth," do you mean Renown (he doesn't have Stealth)? The answer to that is "yes." Since he is immune to character abilities and the Host's removal of keywords is a character ability, he would ignore it and keep the Renown.

[thorin_81 0]

Yes, off course I was referring to renown and not stealth.

Thanks for the answers