A Bit Bummed

[testobviouslyfalse 577]

So I feel like people have been just rules lawyer-y jerks lately. This is especially true on the internet. I know... I know... I shouldn't be surprised, just a little bummed that I get yelled at for asking whether or not acrylic bases on the pilot could be utilized in a tournament format. Then being told that questions like this is why fly casual doesn't exist. 

tl;dr - people suck, and im ranting to clear my karma.

[Dagonet 7,246]

Yelled at? Where? By whom?

[testobviouslyfalse 577]

Facebook, nova squadron... I dont really want to talk about the who's as it will just be bad for everyone. I deleted the thread because I actually felt embarrassed for voicing the question, like it was so obvious that I should "know better"

[Stilgod 1,686]

[testobviouslyfalse 577]

Thanks. Brightened my day.

[Force Majeure 4,108]

If you're not playing with those people directly, I say forget them.

 

Regarding your question about the bases, the best people to ask are at the place where the tourney is going to be held. After all that's where you're going to have actual face time with people.

 

And "Fly Casual" in a tournament setting should really mean "be nice, be polite, and follow the rules in the rulebook" not "Hey man, just fudge a little and be cool or else you're a d**k". People need to be good sports and be nice, in all parts of their lives. Being nice doesn't mean you let people turn you into a doormat either.

 

The long and short of it is, if someone is taking the fun out of moving little plastic spaceships that go "Pew! Pew!" than they've lost sight of what it's all about. Isn't that why we got into it in the first place?

 

Hope things get brighter.

Edited September 6, 2016 by Force Majeure

[incinerator950 387]

Everything has a different meaning.

[Darth Meanie 15,565]

So I feel like people have been just rules lawyer-y jerks lately. This is especially true on the internet. I know... I know... I shouldn't be surprised, just a little bummed that I get yelled at for asking whether or not acrylic bases on the pilot could be utilized in a tournament format. Then being told that questions like this is why fly casual doesn't exist. 

tl;dr - people suck, and im ranting to clear my karma.

Ranting doesn't clear your Karma.  Nor does being a troll in other threads, and saying people suck in this one.

[TasteTheRainbow 8,726]

People weren't "yelling" at you for asking a question. They were telling you what their reaction as a TO or opponent would be if you showed up with non-FFG arcs to a competitive event. You can't expect a TO to allow something like that. And you certainly shouldn't expect opponents to just take you at your(seller's) word or spend round time verifying all your arcs.

Asking the question isn't why they were saying fly casual doesn't exist. Insisting that everyone else "fly casual" and let you ignore core rules is the issue.

"Rules-lawyering" is not generally defined the way you are using it.

Edited September 7, 2016 by TasteTheRainbow

[Hobojebus 11,341]

The Roanoke 8 killed fly casual, now it's dog eat dog brah.

[dsul413 1,273]

People weren't "yelling" at you for asking a question. They were telling you what their reaction as a TO or opponent would be if you showed up with non-FFG arcs to a competitive event. You can't expect a TO to allow something like that. And you certainly shouldn't expect opponents to just take you at your(seller's) word or spend round time verifying all your arcs.

Asking the question isn't why they were saying fly casual doesn't exist. Insisting that everyone else "fly casual" and let you ignore core rules is the issue.

"Rules-lawyering" is not generally defined the way you are using it.

 

Ouch. Two sides to every story, and more information to boot.

[VanorDM 11,599]

They were telling you what their reaction as a TO or opponent would be if you showed up with non-FFG arcs to a competitive event. 

 

I was kinda wondering about that when he mentioned acrylic bases... I couldn't figure out if he was talking about a 3rd party base or what.

 

But if he's talking about some sort of acrylic ship token instead of the FFG cardboard one, then it is truly a stupid question to ask, because the only possible answer is no.  Heck I wouldn't even allow something that in a friendly game.

 

But it is a prime example of how badly "Fly Casual" has been mangled .   

[incinerator950 387]

What's wrong with acryllic tokens? Proportions?

[Admiral Deathrain 5,232]

What's wrong with acryllic tokens? Proportions?

There is a narrow list of third party things allowed - tokens and templates. Nothing else is permitted, especially base chits where there is no way of telling if there aren't a few extra degrees on there, which is what op tried to do.

 

OP: Tough luck, I thought people being jerks on the internet was fine by your standarts?

[VanorDM 11,599]

 

What's wrong with acryllic tokens? Proportions?

There is a narrow list of third party things allowed

 

Yeah to make sure it's clear.

Things like 3rd party acrylic focus, stress, shield tokens, ect... those are fine, because they have no direct impact on the game.

3rd party acrylic templates are generally ok, because you can fairly easily tell if they're right or not, plus you can request that both sides share the same set of templates so anything off about them affects both sides equally.

 

But when you're talking about things like ship tokens, the cardboard chit that goes on top the base.  There's no way to know for sure if the arc is correct, and you can't share them so one side gets an advantage.

[Stilgod 1,686]

 

 

What's wrong with acryllic tokens? Proportions?

There is a narrow list of third party things allowed

 

Yeah to make sure it's clear.

Things like 3rd party acrylic focus, stress, shield tokens, ect... those are fine, because they have no direct impact on the game.

3rd party acrylic templates are generally ok, because you can fairly easily tell if they're right or not, plus you can request that both sides share the same set of templates so anything off about them affects both sides equally.

 

But when you're talking about things like ship tokens, the cardboard chit that goes on top the base.  There's no way to know for sure if the arc is correct, and you can't share them so one side gets an advantage.

 

But he saved up all his lunch money to buy them! Its just not faaairrrrrrrrr

[Hobojebus 11,341]

 

 

What's wrong with acryllic tokens? Proportions?

There is a narrow list of third party things allowed

 

Yeah to make sure it's clear.

Things like 3rd party acrylic focus, stress, shield tokens, ect... those are fine, because they have no direct impact on the game.

3rd party acrylic templates are generally ok, because you can fairly easily tell if they're right or not, plus you can request that both sides share the same set of templates so anything off about them affects both sides equally.

 

But when you're talking about things like ship tokens, the cardboard chit that goes on top the base.  There's no way to know for sure if the arc is correct, and you can't share them so one side gets an advantage.

 

Except the cardboard has misaligned arcs printed on them too I own several myself.

[Iceeagle85 495]

 

They were telling you what their reaction as a TO or opponent would be if you showed up with non-FFG arcs to a competitive event. 

But if he's talking about some sort of acrylic ship token instead of the FFG cardboard one, then it is truly a stupid question to ask, because the only possible answer is no.  Heck I wouldn't even allow something that in a friendly game.

 

I can understand that in a tournament but in a friendly game for fun? Would it really matter that much?

I personally woudl really love to paly against the guy who made his fleet out of wood and because he made everything himself i can't be sure of anything but i personally play for fun not for argiung about some inches and im quite sure even the official cardboard tokens vary like their dice do.

[TasteTheRainbow 8,726]

What's wrong with acryllic tokens? Proportions?

There is a narrow list of third party things allowed

Yeah to make sure it's clear.

Things like 3rd party acrylic focus, stress, shield tokens, ect... those are fine, because they have no direct impact on the game.

3rd party acrylic templates are generally ok, because you can fairly easily tell if they're right or not, plus you can request that both sides share the same set of templates so anything off about them affects both sides equally.

 

But when you're talking about things like ship tokens, the cardboard chit that goes on top the base.  There's no way to know for sure if the arc is correct, and you can't share them so one side gets an advantage.

Except the cardboard has misaligned arcs printed on them too I own several myself.

Dice vary as well. Does that mean you can bring third party dice to a store champ?

[Hobojebus 11,341]

 

 

 

 

What's wrong with acryllic tokens? Proportions?

There is a narrow list of third party things allowed

Yeah to make sure it's clear.

Things like 3rd party acrylic focus, stress, shield tokens, ect... those are fine, because they have no direct impact on the game.

3rd party acrylic templates are generally ok, because you can fairly easily tell if they're right or not, plus you can request that both sides share the same set of templates so anything off about them affects both sides equally.

 

But when you're talking about things like ship tokens, the cardboard chit that goes on top the base.  There's no way to know for sure if the arc is correct, and you can't share them so one side gets an advantage.

Except the cardboard has misaligned arcs printed on them too I own several myself.

Dice vary as well. Does that mean you can bring third party dice to a store champ?

 

False equivalency fallacy.

 

Dice are stopped so you can't bring in weighted ones, arcs on an insert you can visually inspect you know what the stats should be and where the arcs are supposed to line up.

 

Ffg can ban what they like but some things make more sense than others.

[TasteTheRainbow 8,726]

What's wrong with acryllic tokens? Proportions?

There is a narrow list of third party things allowed

Yeah to make sure it's clear.

Things like 3rd party acrylic focus, stress, shield tokens, ect... those are fine, because they have no direct impact on the game.

3rd party acrylic templates are generally ok, because you can fairly easily tell if they're right or not, plus you can request that both sides share the same set of templates so anything off about them affects both sides equally.

 

But when you're talking about things like ship tokens, the cardboard chit that goes on top the base.  There's no way to know for sure if the arc is correct, and you can't share them so one side gets an advantage.

Except the cardboard has misaligned arcs printed on them too I own several myself.

Dice vary as well. Does that mean you can bring third party dice to a store champ?

False equivalency fallacy.

 

Dice are stopped so you can't bring in weighted ones, arcs on an insert you can visually inspect you know what the stats should be and where the arcs are supposed to line up.

 

Ffg can ban what they like but some things make more sense than others.

Arcs are actually not printed overly well. So there will be variation between cardboard and third party chits. So that won't work. Also you can't expect opponents to all spend time verifying them even if there was some standard to compare them to.

[VanorDM 11,599]

I can understand that in a tournament but in a friendly game for fun? Would it really matter that much?

 

Maybe not, but I like to have a fair game no matter if it's casual or regionals.  With the FFG provided cards I know what they are, even if they're printed wrong... With 3rd party acrylics you have no way of knowing for sure what you're getting.  Which may or may not affect how fair the game is.

[TasteTheRainbow 8,726]

What's wrong with acryllic tokens? Proportions?

There is a narrow list of third party things allowed

Yeah to make sure it's clear.

Things like 3rd party acrylic focus, stress, shield tokens, ect... those are fine, because they have no direct impact on the game.

3rd party acrylic templates are generally ok, because you can fairly easily tell if they're right or not, plus you can request that both sides share the same set of templates so anything off about them affects both sides equally.

 

But when you're talking about things like ship tokens, the cardboard chit that goes on top the base.  There's no way to know for sure if the arc is correct, and you can't share them so one side gets an advantage.

Except the cardboard has misaligned arcs printed on them too I own several myself.

Dice vary as well. Does that mean you can bring third party dice to a store champ?

False equivalency fallacy.

 

Dice are stopped so you can't bring in weighted ones, arcs on an insert you can visually inspect you know what the stats should be and where the arcs are supposed to line up.

 

Ffg can ban what they like but some things make more sense than others.

Arcs are inconsistent. Visual inspection isn't a useful way to determine if those are fair.

[testobviouslyfalse 577]

Wow, left this thread to die but apparently its back. lots of responding to do:

1. The internet is fair game for trouncing, but its also ok for me to get my feelers hurt and then complain about it. 

2. After having quite a bit of thought about this the only reason why FFG would make cardboard inserts mandatory is because they want you to continue to buy the product. If someone could sell a wes acrylic chit, then what is the point of buying the rebel transport (minus R3-A2, but you get what i mean). Its FFG's game, so thats ok. 

3. For full disclosure the reason why i was interested in an acrylic chit is because the way i was running my ship LED's didnt allow the ship to come off the base, which very much limited the ship I could use. I was looking for alternatives. 

Anyway this is fun, carry on.