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Yes, but the movie stills are shot so that you're looking UP at the Xwing (or at least level with it) so you can't see if there's a droid socket or not. At those angles, unless the droid was stll in the socket, you wouldn't be able to tell if it had one or not.

 

Not really - look at the CGI mockup shot.  You can see that the droid's head actually raises above the cockpit frame a little bit (which is how it looks in the movies, and how our current models look).  At least the front-angle shot of the partisan X-Wing lets you see a view that should have the astromech, if it was present.

 

And certainly the shot of the crashed ship would have it - from that one, you can see that there is not only no astromech, but there isn't even an opening for one.

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Unless SWX58 is an Epic-scale Scum ship that comes with the Partisan X-Wing...

 

This is currently the theory that seems most right to me.

 

It would re-balance the numbers of small ships, explains there being no need for an ID token, and if the epic ship is a Rogue One spoiler it would explain why it hasn't been announced yet.

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Unless SWX58 is an Epic-scale Scum ship that comes with the Partisan X-Wing...

 

This is currently the theory that seems most right to me.

 

It would re-balance the numbers of small ships, explains there being no need for an ID token, and if the epic ship is a Rogue One spoiler it would explain why it hasn't been announced yet.

 

 

Oh wonderful Spacebug... please be right!

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Yes, but the movie stills are shot so that you're looking UP at the Xwing (or at least level with it) so you can't see if there's a droid socket or not. At those angles, unless the droid was stll in the socket, you wouldn't be able to tell if it had one or not.

 

Not really - look at the CGI mockup shot.  You can see that the droid's head actually raises above the cockpit frame a little bit (which is how it looks in the movies, and how our current models look).  At least the front-angle shot of the partisan X-Wing lets you see a view that should have the astromech, if it was present.

 

And certainly the shot of the crashed ship would have it - from that one, you can see that there is not only no astromech, but there isn't even an opening for one.

 

 

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Take another look at the Hotwheels miniature packaging.

A starfighter certainly doesn't need a droid to fly,

so just because you don't see one doesn't mean it can't have it.

On the actual miniature the astromech is white so it blends in, 

but it's also very small just like on their miniature for Black One. 

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Unless SWX58 is an Epic-scale Scum ship that comes with the Partisan X-Wing...

 

This is currently the theory that seems most right to me.

 

It would re-balance the numbers of small ships, explains there being no need for an ID token, and if the epic ship is a Rogue One spoiler it would explain why it hasn't been announced yet.

Partisan X-wings as Scum and Villainy doesn't make sense to me;

can someone when explain to me where this idea came from?

I mean you're talking about Rebel against Extreme Rebel added to the game?

Because they are willing to use more violence methods doesn't make them S&V.

So I don't imagine that it will be a S&V Epic ship like the GR75 - with an X-wing.

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Unless SWX58 is an Epic-scale Scum ship that comes with the Partisan X-Wing...

 

This is currently the theory that seems most right to me.

 

It would re-balance the numbers of small ships, explains there being no need for an ID token, and if the epic ship is a Rogue One spoiler it would explain why it hasn't been announced yet.

 

 

Well I haven't seen this theory before. Though I have been expecting a scum epic ship.

 

So a scum x-wing....

Salvaged astromechs are good enough to make T-65's decent. Or at least better than all other scum small ships.

Perhaps it would have extra cards to convert Rebel X-wings for scum use as there is no SKU for a separate pack.

Scum would have a 'fixed' T-65 before Rebels :)

 

I would still rather have buffs for the Starviper, Scyk, and Kihraxz first :(

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This image suggests to me that we could get an Aces type pack with a 

PARTISAN X-WING and a PARTISAN Y-WING !!

 

Eh...why would it suggest that?

 

The X-Wing and Y-Wing in that pic are in Rebel colors, not Partisan colors?

 

Personal theory about the movie: set up like Magnificent Seven, where the first half of the movie is Jyn and Cassian rounding up a group of very different characters to go on their mission, last half of movie is the mission.  Saw's Partisans are a very independent group of terrorists as the movie starts (so...Scum), flying X-Wings, but through events of the movie and actions of our heroes the movie ends with them formally joining the Rebellion and contributing their X-Wings to the Rebel fleet for the events we see in Episode IV.

 

The Y-Wings we already know how the Rebels got - that was covered in the season 3 opener for the 'Rebels' TV series.

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"Terrorists" fighting the Empire => Rebels. Partisians => Rebels.

 

Maybe, maybe not.  You are making an assumption, here, and demanding it is fact - whereas I'm just pointing out that this might not be the case.  We'll find out for sure in a couple weeks, anyway.

 

Rebels from Rebels got only 5 Y-wings, there were more at Yavin.

 

 

There were only 8 Y-Wings at Yavin.  In one episode, the Rebels managed to grab 5 Y-Wings (which they did say in dialog were going to that cell, so we know that 5 of those 8 definitely were the Y-Wings our intrepid heroes stole).  It's not hard to imagine they had a couple on-hand, already, or that the Lothal cell manages to grab a few more over the course of the season.

 

Either way, they supplied most of the Y-Wings used at Yavin.

 

We don't yet know where the X-Wings used at Yavin came from.  (And boy do movie studios seem to love an 'origin story' - ergo the reason I think Rogue One is going to be the explanation for where those came from)

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This image suggests to me that we could get an Aces type pack with a 

PARTISAN X-WING and a PARTISAN Y-WING !!

 

Eh...why would it suggest that?

 

The X-Wing and Y-Wing in that pic are in Rebel colors, not Partisan colors?

 

Personal theory about the movie: set up like Magnificent Seven, where the first half of the movie is Jyn and Cassian rounding up a group of very different characters to go on their mission, last half of movie is the mission.  Saw's Partisans are a very independent group of terrorists as the movie starts (so...Scum), flying X-Wings, but through events of the movie and actions of our heroes the movie ends with them formally joining the Rebellion and contributing their X-Wings to the Rebel fleet for the events we see in Episode IV.

 

The Y-Wings we already know how the Rebels got - that was covered in the season 3 opener for the 'Rebels' TV series.

 

The Rebels probably allready hat thousands of X-Wings and Y-Wings at hand. Otherwise the Empire wouldn't even bother to hunt them down.

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This image suggests to me that we could get an Aces type pack with a 

PARTISAN X-WING and a PARTISAN Y-WING !!

 

Eh...why would it suggest that?

 

The X-Wing and Y-Wing in that pic are in Rebel colors, not Partisan colors?

 

Personal theory about the movie: set up like Magnificent Seven, where the first half of the movie is Jyn and Cassian rounding up a group of very different characters to go on their mission, last half of movie is the mission.  Saw's Partisans are a very independent group of terrorists as the movie starts (so...Scum), flying X-Wings, but through events of the movie and actions of our heroes the movie ends with them formally joining the Rebellion and contributing their X-Wings to the Rebel fleet for the events we see in Episode IV.

 

The Y-Wings we already know how the Rebels got - that was covered in the season 3 opener for the 'Rebels' TV series.

 

The Rebels probably allready hat thousands of X-Wings and Y-Wings at hand. Otherwise the Empire wouldn't even bother to hunt them down.

 

 

They obviously didn't - 'Rebels' s3 ep1 seems to make a pretty good point that the 5 Y-Wings they captured were a pretty significant boost.  And ep3 of the same season has them going to some serious lengths to add just 2 more trained pilots to the fleet.

 

No, I think it's a bit more clear that the Rebellion is basically exactly what we saw...  I mean, the Battle of Endor was basically their one-shot-at-victory-Hail-Mary play...it was literally their entire fleet, every ship and fighter, at the peak of their power.  And that amounted to, what, no more than a couple dozen ships and maybe a few hundred fighters?

 

The Empire was only hunting the "Rebellion" because Palpatine feared the possibility of the Jedi coming back.  There was nothing about their numbers that was ever a direct threat.

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Until this battle station is fully
operational we are vulnerable. The
Rebel Alliance is too well equipped.
They're more dangerous than you
realize.

 

The bitter Admiral Motti twists nervously in his chair.

 

MOTTI

Dangerous to your starfleet,
Commander, not to this battle station!

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I still think it's Rebel Vets, X-Wing and E-Wing. They probably assigned the number long ago, but play testing is proving it tricky to balance. Maybe they really are doing something crazy like a Stealth X

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Until this battle station is fully

operational we are vulnerable. The

Rebel Alliance is too well equipped.

They're more dangerous than you

realize.

 

The bitter Admiral Motti twists nervously in his chair.

 

MOTTI

Dangerous to your starfleet,

Commander, not to this battle station!

 

You could just as easily see the same conversation happening in a cabinet meeting including a Navy Admiral and Army General, today, regarding ISIS.

 

Just because an enemy is 'well equipped' enough to be merely 'dangerous' does not mean they are building fleets of warships, or have anything like parity in any capability.

 

Military branches do not like losing units.  Acknowledging that an enemy has grown into enough of a threat that it is now remotely possible that you might take losses fighting them does not indicate any kind of parity, just 'danger'.

 

Dialog in 'Return of the Jedi' was quite clear.  That was the entire Rebel fleet - all of it, everything they had.  It was their 'one chance' at winning, and they knew full well 'we won't get another'.

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This image suggests to me that we could get an Aces type pack with a 

PARTISAN X-WING and a PARTISAN Y-WING !!

 

Eh...why would it suggest that?

 

The X-Wing and Y-Wing in that pic are in Rebel colors, not Partisan colors?

 

Personal theory about the movie: set up like Magnificent Seven, where the first half of the movie is Jyn and Cassian rounding up a group of very different characters to go on their mission, last half of movie is the mission.  Saw's Partisans are a very independent group of terrorists as the movie starts (so...Scum), flying X-Wings, but through events of the movie and actions of our heroes the movie ends with them formally joining the Rebellion and contributing their X-Wings to the Rebel fleet for the events we see in Episode IV.

 

The Y-Wings we already know how the Rebels got - that was covered in the season 3 opener for the 'Rebels' TV series.

 

The Rebels probably allready hat thousands of X-Wings and Y-Wings at hand. Otherwise the Empire wouldn't even bother to hunt them down.

 

 

They obviously didn't - 'Rebels' s3 ep1 seems to make a pretty good point that the 5 Y-Wings they captured were a pretty significant boost.  And ep3 of the same season has them going to some serious lengths to add just 2 more trained pilots to the fleet.

 

No, I think it's a bit more clear that the Rebellion is basically exactly what we saw...  I mean, the Battle of Endor was basically their one-shot-at-victory-Hail-Mary play...it was literally their entire fleet, every ship and fighter, at the peak of their power.  And that amounted to, what, no more than a couple dozen ships and maybe a few hundred fighters?

 

The Empire was only hunting the "Rebellion" because Palpatine feared the possibility of the Jedi coming back.  There was nothing about their numbers that was ever a direct threat.

 

Oh no, in legends "Sci-Fi writers have no sense of scale" was almost completely removed. 

Id'd be sad if Disney would follow the trope again.

 

 

Regarding Endor:

In the movie there are about 12+ Mon Cal cruisers. Going from the Home One scenes we can estimate a ratio of 1 Mon Cal to 10 smaller cap ships.

So roughly 130 Rebel capital ships at Endor. Fighters would be around 1000. This also fits with the numbers established in the EU.

 

I've to mention that I also liked the Expanded Universe idea of the Rebel Fleet having 3% the size of the Imperial Navy thus giving them 100k vessels.

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This image suggests to me that we could get an Aces type pack with a 

PARTISAN X-WING and a PARTISAN Y-WING !!

 

Eh...why would it suggest that?

 

The X-Wing and Y-Wing in that pic are in Rebel colors, not Partisan colors?

 

Personal theory about the movie: set up like Magnificent Seven, where the first half of the movie is Jyn and Cassian rounding up a group of very different characters to go on their mission, last half of movie is the mission.  Saw's Partisans are a very independent group of terrorists as the movie starts (so...Scum), flying X-Wings, but through events of the movie and actions of our heroes the movie ends with them formally joining the Rebellion and contributing their X-Wings to the Rebel fleet for the events we see in Episode IV.

 

The Y-Wings we already know how the Rebels got - that was covered in the season 3 opener for the 'Rebels' TV series.

 

The Rebels probably allready hat thousands of X-Wings and Y-Wings at hand. Otherwise the Empire wouldn't even bother to hunt them down.

 

 

They obviously didn't - 'Rebels' s3 ep1 seems to make a pretty good point that the 5 Y-Wings they captured were a pretty significant boost.  And ep3 of the same season has them going to some serious lengths to add just 2 more trained pilots to the fleet.

 

No, I think it's a bit more clear that the Rebellion is basically exactly what we saw...  I mean, the Battle of Endor was basically their one-shot-at-victory-Hail-Mary play...it was literally their entire fleet, every ship and fighter, at the peak of their power.  And that amounted to, what, no more than a couple dozen ships and maybe a few hundred fighters?

 

The Empire was only hunting the "Rebellion" because Palpatine feared the possibility of the Jedi coming back.  There was nothing about their numbers that was ever a direct threat.

 

Oh no, in legends "Sci-Fi writers have no sense of scale" was almost completely removed. 

Id'd be sad if Disney would follow the trope again.

 

 

Regarding Endor:

In the movie there are about 12+ Mon Cal cruisers. Going from the Home One scenes we can estimate a ratio of 1 Mon Cal to 10 smaller cap ships.

So roughly 130 Rebel capital ships at Endor. Fighters would be around 1000. This also fits with the numbers established in the EU.

 

I've to mention that I also liked the Expanded Universe idea of the Rebel Fleet having 3% the size of the Imperial Navy thus giving them 100k vessels.

 

 

I'd like to think your estimates are accurate, but when I check the facts here...

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Yavin/Legends  and here...

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Endor/Legends

I see something a little different...

 

 

• MC80 Home one type Star Cruisers
  Home One
  Defiance
  Independence 
  1 Unidentified 
 
• MC80 Liberty type Star Cruisers
  Liberty 
  Maria 
  Reef Home 
  Nautilian 
 
• MC80 wingless Liberty type Star Cruisers
• MC80a Star Cruisers 
• Smaller Mon Calamari Star Cruisers 
• Destroyers 
• Carriers 
• Dreadnaught-class heavy cruisers 
• Manowars 
• Neutron Star-class bulk cruiser 
   Urjani
• Quasar Fire-class bulk cruiser 
   Flurry 
 
• 10+ EF76 Nebulon-B escort frigates 
  Antares Six 
  Redemption 
  Remembrance 
  Valiance 
  Yavaris 
  Patience 
  Promise 
 
• CR90 corvettes 
   Eridain 
   Masanya 
   NovaFlare 
   Old Republic 
   Pushti 
   Saki 
   Ullet 
 
• DP20 frigates 
  Chandi
  Ensaiav 
  Ghorman's Honor 
  Mastala
  Telsor 
  Walerv 
  DukeDoom 
  Steadfast 
 
• GR-75 medium transports
  Limnate
  Luminous
  Tuima
 
• Braha'tok-class gunships
  Braha'tok
  Torktarak
 
• Tankers
 
• Alderaanian gunships
 

YT-1300 Millennium Falcon

Skyhoppers

Cargo freighters

Imperial Shuttle Tydirium

 

Starfighter squadrons
88th Attack Squadron
94th Fighter/Attack Squadron
Aggressor Wing
Amber Wing
Azul Squadron
Bandit Squadron
Blade Squadron
Blood Squadron
Blue 77 Squadron
Blue Squadron 
Casper Squadron
Cobalt Squadron
Corona Squadron
Cracken Flight Group
Crimson Fury
Crimson Phoenix Squadron
Dagger Squadron
Dantooine Squadron
Deretta Destroyers
Dragon Squadron
Dust Squadron
Ecliptic Evaders
Exeter Squadron
Feral Group
Flying Bantha Squadron
Gavial Squadron
Gold Devils
Gold Squadron 
Gray Squadron 
Green Squadron 
Grez Squadron
Griffon Flight Wing
H-Beta Squadron
H-Delta Squadron 
Havoc Squadron
Jyn Freila's squadron
Lightspeed Panthers
Nightmare Squadron
Nomad Squadron
Oro Squadron
Phoenix Squadron
Plasma Devils
Rampant Squadron
Rascal Squadron
Red Squadron
Red Team
Renegade Flight
Rogue Squadron
Rust Squadron
Scavenger Squadron
Screamer Squadron
Shandor Squadron
Shark Squadron 
Soaring Dactillions
Specter Squadron 
Star Squadron
Stealth Squadron
Storm Squadron
Sundancer Squadron
Tierfon Yellow Aces
Tiger Squadron
Twilight Squadron (defected)
Ulan Squadron
Viper Squadron
Vortex Squadron
Wolf Squadron
Yellow Squadron
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This image suggests to me that we could get an Aces type pack with a 

PARTISAN X-WING and a PARTISAN Y-WING !!

 

Eh...why would it suggest that?

 

The X-Wing and Y-Wing in that pic are in Rebel colors, not Partisan colors?

 

 

It doesn't matter what their colors there, they match the ship types in the movie.

There are two different colors schemes for the X-wing (Rebel & Partisan) 

Therefore there could also be two different color schemes for the Y-wing,

the second being unseen as yet. 

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