RogueLeader42 1,001 Posted October 10, 2016 (edited) I'd like to think your estimates are accurate, but when I check the facts here... http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Yavin/Legends and here... http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Endor/Legends I see something a little different... • MC80 Home one type Star Cruisers Home One Defiance Independence 1 Unidentified • MC80 Liberty type Star Cruisers Liberty Maria Reef Home Nautilian • MC80 wingless Liberty type Star Cruisers • MC80a Star Cruisers Which can be eyeballed to be about 12+ in the movie • Smaller Mon Calamari Star Cruisers • Destroyers • Carriers • Dreadnaught-class heavy cruisers • Manowars Unknown number of these ships. • Neutron Star-class bulk cruiser Urjani • Quasar Fire-class bulk cruiser Flurry • 10+ EF76 Nebulon-B escort frigates Antares Six Redemption Remembrance Valiance Yavaris Patience Promise • CR90 corvettes Eridain Masanya NovaFlare Old Republic Pushti Saki Ullet These are only the known CR90s. The ones we don't know the name of aren't listed. • DP20 frigates Chandi Ensaiav Ghorman's Honor Mastala Telsor Walerv DukeDoom Steadfast Same thing as with the CR90s • GR-75 medium transports Limnate Luminous Tuima Same ^^ Especially as there are at least 20 of them visible in the movie. • Braha'tok-class gunships Braha'tok Torktarak There were in fact only 2 of them. • Tankers • Alderaanian gunships Unknown number. YT-1300 Millennium Falcon Skyhoppers Cargo freighters Imperial Shuttle Tydirium Starfighter squadrons 88th Attack Squadron 94th Fighter/Attack Squadron Aggressor Wing Amber Wing Azul Squadron Bandit Squadron Blade Squadron Blood Squadron Blue 77 Squadron Blue Squadron Casper Squadron Cobalt Squadron Corona Squadron Cracken Flight Group Crimson Fury Crimson Phoenix Squadron Dagger Squadron Dantooine Squadron Deretta Destroyers Dragon Squadron Dust Squadron Ecliptic Evaders Exeter Squadron Feral Group Flying Bantha Squadron Gavial Squadron Gold Devils Gold Squadron Gray Squadron Green Squadron Grez Squadron Griffon Flight Wing H-Beta Squadron H-Delta Squadron Havoc Squadron Jyn Freila's squadron Lightspeed Panthers Nightmare Squadron Nomad Squadron Oro Squadron Phoenix Squadron Plasma Devils Rampant Squadron Rascal Squadron Red Squadron Red Team Renegade Flight Rogue Squadron Rust Squadron Scavenger Squadron Screamer Squadron Shandor Squadron Shark Squadron Soaring Dactillions Specter Squadron Star Squadron Stealth Squadron Storm Squadron Sundancer Squadron Tierfon Yellow Aces Tiger Squadron Twilight Squadron (defected) Ulan Squadron Viper Squadron Vortex Squadron Wolf Squadron Yellow Squadron 67 * 12 = 804 fighters. I think, this fits my numbers pretty well Edited October 10, 2016 by RogueLeader42 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gabe69velasquez 2,143 Posted October 10, 2016 (edited) I'd like to think your estimates are accurate, but when I check the facts here... http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Yavin/Legends and here... http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Endor/Legends I see something a little different... • MC80 Home one type Star Cruisers Home One Defiance Independence 1 Unidentified • MC80 Liberty type Star Cruisers Liberty Maria Reef Home Nautilian • MC80 wingless Liberty type Star Cruisers • MC80a Star Cruisers Which can be eyeballed to be about 12+ in the movie • Smaller Mon Calamari Star Cruisers • Destroyers • Carriers • Dreadnaught-class heavy cruisers • Manowars Unknown number of these ships. • Neutron Star-class bulk cruiser Urjani • Quasar Fire-class bulk cruiser Flurry • 10+ EF76 Nebulon-B escort frigates Antares Six Redemption Remembrance Valiance Yavaris Patience Promise • CR90 corvettes Eridain Masanya NovaFlare Old Republic Pushti Saki Ullet These are only the known CR90s. The ones we don't know the name of aren't listed. • DP20 frigates Chandi Ensaiav Ghorman's Honor Mastala Telsor Walerv DukeDoom Steadfast Same thing as with the CR90s • GR-75 medium transports Limnate Luminous Tuima Same ^^ Especially as there are at least 20 of them visible in the movie. • Braha'tok-class gunships Braha'tok Torktarak There were in fact only 2 of them. • Tankers • Alderaanian gunships Unknown number. YT-1300 Millennium Falcon Skyhoppers Cargo freighters Imperial Shuttle Tydirium Starfighter squadrons 88th Attack Squadron 94th Fighter/Attack Squadron Aggressor Wing Amber Wing Azul Squadron Bandit Squadron Blade Squadron Blood Squadron Blue 77 Squadron Blue Squadron Casper Squadron Cobalt Squadron Corona Squadron Cracken Flight Group Crimson Fury Crimson Phoenix Squadron Dagger Squadron Dantooine Squadron Deretta Destroyers Dragon Squadron Dust Squadron Ecliptic Evaders Exeter Squadron Feral Group Flying Bantha Squadron Gavial Squadron Gold Devils Gold Squadron Gray Squadron Green Squadron Grez Squadron Griffon Flight Wing H-Beta Squadron H-Delta Squadron Havoc Squadron Jyn Freila's squadron Lightspeed Panthers Nightmare Squadron Nomad Squadron Oro Squadron Phoenix Squadron Plasma Devils Rampant Squadron Rascal Squadron Red Squadron Red Team Renegade Flight Rogue Squadron Rust Squadron Scavenger Squadron Screamer Squadron Shandor Squadron Shark Squadron Soaring Dactillions Specter Squadron Star Squadron Stealth Squadron Storm Squadron Sundancer Squadron Tierfon Yellow Aces Tiger Squadron Twilight Squadron (defected) Ulan Squadron Viper Squadron Vortex Squadron Wolf Squadron Yellow Squadron 67 * 12 = 804 fighters. I think, this fits my numbers pretty well Rebel DP20 Gunships List - https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/108071-cr90-imperial-version-or-proxy-miniature/?p=1115211 Rebel CR90 Corvettes List - https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/108071-cr90-imperial-version-or-proxy-miniature/?p=1110794 I really doubt all of those fighter squadrons had a full compliment of 12 fighters each. I was mainly being thorough because it's a cool list to have. Do all three lists add up to your 130 capital ship estimate? ...IDK, at the moment I'm to tired to check. Looking back at my DP20 Gunship thread, I'm glad FFG added the Ordnance Tubes upgrade as it's a cool coincidence that allowed me to simplify my design. Having said that if the Scum Epic ship is the DP20 I'll laugh my head off. There are plenty of pirate DP20s out there in the EU. Eg. "'The Gunship' was the name of Niles Ferrier's personal DP20 frigate." Edited October 10, 2016 by gabe69velasquez Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xanderf 6,795 Posted October 10, 2016 I really doubt all of those fighter squadrons had a full compliment of 12 fighters each. I was mainly being thorough because it's a cool list to have. Do all three lists add up to your 130 capital ship estimate? Not even really sure a 'full compliment' is 12 fighters. That's certainly the EU standard, but nothing in canon suggests that. There is a WIDE range, in historical usage, of what constitutes a 'squadron'. For example - USAF 'squadrons' are more commonly 18-24 fighters, while French escadrilles are just 8 fighters. Type of aircraft makes a BIG difference, though - bombers or heavier assault fighters tend to have fewer units to a squadron than superiority fighters. The question really comes down to how the fighters are organized. Generally a squadron will be 3-4 'flights'. Seeing as how flights in Star Wars seem to usually be two pilots (lead pilot and their wingman), although 3 at times (Death Star trench runs were done in groups of 3 fighters), it seems more likely to me that the 'target' squadron strength in Star Wars is 8-11 fighters. That would also explain the Battle of Yavin's allotment of fighters - 8 Y-Wings and 22 X-Wings, with 8-11 fighters in a squadron, neatly divides into two X-Wing squadrons and one Y-Wing squadron. '12' to a squadron doesn't work at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RogueLeader42 1,001 Posted October 10, 2016 I'd like to think your estimates are accurate, but when I check the facts here... http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Yavin/Legends and here... http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Endor/Legends I see something a little different... • MC80 Home one type Star Cruisers Home One Defiance Independence 1 Unidentified • MC80 Liberty type Star Cruisers Liberty Maria Reef Home Nautilian • MC80 wingless Liberty type Star Cruisers • MC80a Star Cruisers Which can be eyeballed to be about 12+ in the movie • Smaller Mon Calamari Star Cruisers • Destroyers • Carriers • Dreadnaught-class heavy cruisers • Manowars Unknown number of these ships. • Neutron Star-class bulk cruiser Urjani • Quasar Fire-class bulk cruiser Flurry • 10+ EF76 Nebulon-B escort frigates Antares Six Redemption Remembrance Valiance Yavaris Patience Promise • CR90 corvettes Eridain Masanya NovaFlare Old Republic Pushti Saki Ullet These are only the known CR90s. The ones we don't know the name of aren't listed. • DP20 frigates Chandi Ensaiav Ghorman's Honor Mastala Telsor Walerv DukeDoom Steadfast Same thing as with the CR90s • GR-75 medium transports Limnate Luminous Tuima Same ^^ Especially as there are at least 20 of them visible in the movie. • Braha'tok-class gunships Braha'tok Torktarak There were in fact only 2 of them. • Tankers • Alderaanian gunships Unknown number. YT-1300 Millennium Falcon Skyhoppers Cargo freighters Imperial Shuttle Tydirium Starfighter squadrons 88th Attack Squadron 94th Fighter/Attack Squadron Aggressor Wing Amber Wing Azul Squadron Bandit Squadron Blade Squadron Blood Squadron Blue 77 Squadron Blue Squadron Casper Squadron Cobalt Squadron Corona Squadron Cracken Flight Group Crimson Fury Crimson Phoenix Squadron Dagger Squadron Dantooine Squadron Deretta Destroyers Dragon Squadron Dust Squadron Ecliptic Evaders Exeter Squadron Feral Group Flying Bantha Squadron Gavial Squadron Gold Devils Gold Squadron Gray Squadron Green Squadron Grez Squadron Griffon Flight Wing H-Beta Squadron H-Delta Squadron Havoc Squadron Jyn Freila's squadron Lightspeed Panthers Nightmare Squadron Nomad Squadron Oro Squadron Phoenix Squadron Plasma Devils Rampant Squadron Rascal Squadron Red Squadron Red Team Renegade Flight Rogue Squadron Rust Squadron Scavenger Squadron Screamer Squadron Shandor Squadron Shark Squadron Soaring Dactillions Specter Squadron Star Squadron Stealth Squadron Storm Squadron Sundancer Squadron Tierfon Yellow Aces Tiger Squadron Twilight Squadron (defected) Ulan Squadron Viper Squadron Vortex Squadron Wolf Squadron Yellow Squadron 67 * 12 = 804 fighters. I think, this fits my numbers pretty well Rebel DP20 Gunships List - https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/108071-cr90-imperial-version-or-proxy-miniature/?p=1115211 Rebel CR90 Corvettes List - https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/108071-cr90-imperial-version-or-proxy-miniature/?p=1110794 I really doubt all of those fighter squadrons had a full compliment of 12 fighters each. I was mainly being thorough because it's a cool list to have. Do all three lists add up to your 130 capital ship estimate? ...IDK, at the moment I'm to tired to check. Well with "These are only the known CR90s. The ones we don't know the name of aren't listed." I didn't mean "don't know at all" just, that these are the names of the ships taking part at the battle we know the names of. Well I think that nearly all squadrons were at full strength. If some are not, you move them to other sqd. to make them have a full compliment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RogueLeader42 1,001 Posted October 10, 2016 I really doubt all of those fighter squadrons had a full compliment of 12 fighters each. I was mainly being thorough because it's a cool list to have. Do all three lists add up to your 130 capital ship estimate? Not even really sure a 'full compliment' is 12 fighters. That's certainly the EU standard, but nothing in canon suggests that. There is a WIDE range, in historical usage, of what constitutes a 'squadron'. For example - USAF 'squadrons' are more commonly 18-24 fighters, while French escadrilles are just 8 fighters. Type of aircraft makes a BIG difference, though - bombers or heavier assault fighters tend to have fewer units to a squadron than superiority fighters. The question really comes down to how the fighters are organized. Generally a squadron will be 3-4 'flights'. Seeing as how flights in Star Wars seem to usually be two pilots (lead pilot and their wingman), although 3 at times (Death Star trench runs were done in groups of 3 fighters), it seems more likely to me that the 'target' squadron strength in Star Wars is 8-11 fighters. That would also explain the Battle of Yavin's allotment of fighters - 8 Y-Wings and 22 X-Wings, with 8-11 fighters in a squadron, neatly divides into two X-Wing squadrons and one Y-Wing squadron. '12' to a squadron doesn't work at all. Well Red Squadron numbered from 1-12, as Rogue Group did during the battle of Hoth. And as GL was taking many things from WWII I can see the common 12 fighter size used in Star Wars if we don't look into the EU. 1 Lampyridae reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xanderf 6,795 Posted October 10, 2016 I really doubt all of those fighter squadrons had a full compliment of 12 fighters each. I was mainly being thorough because it's a cool list to have. Do all three lists add up to your 130 capital ship estimate? Not even really sure a 'full compliment' is 12 fighters. That's certainly the EU standard, but nothing in canon suggests that. There is a WIDE range, in historical usage, of what constitutes a 'squadron'. For example - USAF 'squadrons' are more commonly 18-24 fighters, while French escadrilles are just 8 fighters. Type of aircraft makes a BIG difference, though - bombers or heavier assault fighters tend to have fewer units to a squadron than superiority fighters. The question really comes down to how the fighters are organized. Generally a squadron will be 3-4 'flights'. Seeing as how flights in Star Wars seem to usually be two pilots (lead pilot and their wingman), although 3 at times (Death Star trench runs were done in groups of 3 fighters), it seems more likely to me that the 'target' squadron strength in Star Wars is 8-11 fighters. That would also explain the Battle of Yavin's allotment of fighters - 8 Y-Wings and 22 X-Wings, with 8-11 fighters in a squadron, neatly divides into two X-Wing squadrons and one Y-Wing squadron. '12' to a squadron doesn't work at all. Well Red Squadron numbered from 1-12, as Rogue Group did during the battle of Hoth. And as GL was taking many things from WWII I can see the common 12 fighter size used in Star Wars if we don't look into the EU. Not in canon, no. Jek Porkins was Red Nine, and Theron Nett was Red Ten...and that was it. Only 10 pilots named in Red Squadron. Rogue Squadron is similar - only pilots up to Rogue Eleven (a callsign used, although no name was canonically associated with it). Rogue Twelve has never been used in canon. Which basically supports the numbers I was tossing around above, based on the Battle of Yavin. IE., superiority fighters (including X-Wings) come in squadrons of 11, assault fighters (Y-Wings) in squadrons of 8. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VanderLegion 4,939 Posted October 10, 2016 Well Red Squadron numbered from 1-12, as Rogue Group did during the battle of Hoth. And as GL was taking many things from WWII I can see the common 12 fighter size used in Star Wars if we don't look into the EU. Not in canon, no. Jek Porkins was Red Nine, and Theron Nett was Red Ten...and that was it. Only 10 pilots named in Red Squadron. We don't know there were only 10 pilots in red squadron. We actually only have canonical names (at least on wikipedia's red squadron page) for 7 of them. Jek was actually Red 6, we have no names for reds 7-9. Nothing says (to my knowledge) that there couldn't have been an 11 and 12 as well (conversely, nothing says there WAS an 11 and 12). Rogue Squadron is similar - only pilots up to Rogue Eleven (a callsign used, although no name was canonically associated with it). Rogue Twelve has never been used in canon. Which basically supports the numbers I was tossing around above, based on the Battle of Yavin. IE., superiority fighters (including X-Wings) come in squadrons of 11, assault fighters (Y-Wings) in squadrons of 8. We have 6 named pilots from Rogue Group in Empire. Rogues 10 and 11 are mentioned briefly. We see Rogues 1-4 in the battle, which gives us 8 total people on 4 snowspeeders (with pilot and gunner each). If 10 and 11 were 2 more snowspeeders, that'd theoretically be another 4 people, which could be a full 12 pilot squadron in x-wings if the gunners were normally x-wing pilots. And once again, just because we haven't canonically SEEN a rogue twelve is bsaically meaningless or determining how big a squadron is. Since we haven't seen rogues 5-9 either, we can't really glean any useful information outside of the 'minimum' number of people it had. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mazz0 2,911 Posted October 11, 2016 (edited) There were only 8 Y-Wings at Yavin. In one episode, the Rebels managed to grab 5 Y-Wings (which they did say in dialog were going to that cell, so we know that 5 of those 8 definitely were the Y-Wings our intrepid heroes stole). It's not hard to imagine they had a couple on-hand, already, or that the Lothal cell manages to grab a few more over the course of the season. Either way, they supplied most of the Y-Wings used at Yavin. Not necessarily - those Y-Wings could have been lost in another battle and replaced before Yavin! Edited October 11, 2016 by mazz0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gabe69velasquez 2,143 Posted October 12, 2016 (edited) C2-B5 from Rogue One. What expansion might we get it in? SWX58 maybe? Edited October 12, 2016 by gabe69velasquez Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
That Blasted Samophlange 6,929 Posted October 12, 2016 The listing above has both Red Squadron and Rogue Squadron... so which was Wedge commanding, because I believe it was RED squadron. The only time a Rogue group has been listed so far, has been on Hoth, and they flew speeders. http://www.starwars.com/news/inside-the-fearless-rogue-group Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mazz0 2,911 Posted October 12, 2016 C2-B5 from Rogue One. What expansion might we get it in? SWX58 maybe? Is it Imperial? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MaxPower 928 Posted October 12, 2016 Sexy looking like that, it must be... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gabe69velasquez 2,143 Posted October 12, 2016 (edited) C2-B5 from Rogue One. What expansion might we get it in? SWX58 maybe? Is it Imperial? Sexy looking like that, it must be... If you go to the linked site the answer's a pretty obvious yes: Since they are selling the miniatures along with the other characters, then he must have some significant place in the plot of the movie. I think the more interesting question is what does our expansion look like. Threre's also R2-BHD who isn't getting the same treatment. L-1 droid. Edited October 12, 2016 by gabe69velasquez 1 Joe Boss Red Seven reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wiredin 3,459 Posted October 12, 2016 i want 0-0-0 as a a crew member for imperials. he's pure evil 3 Arttemis, Magnus Grendel and Bojanglez reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AllWingsStandyingBy 4,661 Posted October 12, 2016 For anyone interested in fleet size and squadron composition, this thread compiles all of the known information available on fighter squadrons: https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/230568-the-definitive-call-signs-project-help/ 1 gabe69velasquez reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kris40k 4,544 Posted October 12, 2016 0-0-0 Unique Imperial Only Crew Once per round, before you roll 1 or more attack dice, you may guess aloud a combined total number of hit and crit results. If you roll that many combined total hit and crit results (before modifying dice), add 1 hit result. 6 Wiredin, Boba Rick, Punning Pundit and 3 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bojanglez 2,159 Posted October 13, 2016 yes please. Beetee too. And Aphra. 10 eMeM, SpikeSpiegel, Wishbone and 7 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eMeM 3,188 Posted October 13, 2016 This is like the canon Creepio. 3 Punning Pundit, Vigil and IG88E reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnus Grendel 11,690 Posted October 13, 2016 I'm going to have to find that comic now. 0-0-0 and BT are awesome! Reminds me of nothing so much as the Darths & Droids party. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bojanglez 2,159 Posted October 13, 2016 I'm going to have to find that comic now. 0-0-0 and BT are awesome! Reminds me of nothing so much as the Darths & Droids party. its from the 25-issue Vader series which is now, sadly, ended. Many highlights but those two droids are excellent. 1 Punning Pundit reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ForceSensitive 2,643 Posted October 13, 2016 The running bet I have with our group is that missing numbers for X-wing and Armada are both rou Rogue One additions, and that is a ground war campaign box for surface scenarios and atmospheric rules for X-wing. I'm hoping it is anyway. Might actually have something to do with all this X-wing stuff I have. 1 Crabbok reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnus Grendel 11,690 Posted October 13, 2016 If there is a 'withheld' stock number, then the code being rogue one related strikes me as very likely; if the ship is in some way a spoiler it makes sense (much like the TIE/fo and T-70 were withheld and added back in later). Given that the Striker and U-wing have both been announced and a fair amount of stuff shown off, though, it makes it hard to imagine what could be considered a 'spoiler' at this point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gabe69velasquez 2,143 Posted October 20, 2016 Oh-oh, I didn't even consider this as a possibility and I don't know why. Is it likely, probably not, but it's not impossible. 1 Punning Pundit reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lampyridae 651 Posted October 20, 2016 Oh-oh, I didn't even consider this as a possibility and I don't know why. Is it likely, probably not, but it's not impossible. Probably on hold due to the U-Wing filling the same role (tooled-up troop transport). 2 knavelead and Karhedron reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ficklegreendice 34,363 Posted October 20, 2016 Oh-oh, I didn't even consider this as a possibility and I don't know why. Is it likely, probably not, but it's not impossible. Probably on hold due to the U-Wing filling the same role (tooled-up troop transport). and having the far superior wingspan seriously, this thing ain't even trying 3 knavelead, Punning Pundit and Lampyridae reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
