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I'd like to think your estimates are accurate, but when I check the facts here...

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Yavin/Legends  and here...

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Endor/Legends

I see something a little different...

 

 

• MC80 Home one type Star Cruisers
  Home One
  Defiance
  Independence 
  1 Unidentified 
 
• MC80 Liberty type Star Cruisers
  Liberty 
  Maria 
  Reef Home 
  Nautilian 
 
• MC80 wingless Liberty type Star Cruisers
• MC80a Star Cruisers 
Which can be eyeballed to be about 12+ in the movie ;)
 
• Smaller Mon Calamari Star Cruisers 
• Destroyers 
• Carriers 
• Dreadnaught-class heavy cruisers 
• Manowars 
 
Unknown number of these ships.
 
• Neutron Star-class bulk cruiser 
   Urjani
• Quasar Fire-class bulk cruiser 
   Flurry 
 
• 10+ EF76 Nebulon-B escort frigates 
  Antares Six 
  Redemption 
  Remembrance 
  Valiance 
  Yavaris 
  Patience 
  Promise 
 
• CR90 corvettes 
   Eridain 
   Masanya 
   NovaFlare 
   Old Republic 
   Pushti 
   Saki 
   Ullet 
 
These are only the known CR90s. The ones we don't know the name of aren't listed.
 
• DP20 frigates 
  Chandi
  Ensaiav 
  Ghorman's Honor 
  Mastala
  Telsor 
  Walerv 
  DukeDoom 
  Steadfast 
 
Same thing as with the CR90s
 
• GR-75 medium transports
  Limnate
  Luminous
  Tuima
 
Same ^^ Especially as there are at least 20 of them visible in the movie.
 
• Braha'tok-class gunships
  Braha'tok
  Torktarak
 
There were in fact only 2 of them.
 
• Tankers
 
• Alderaanian gunships
 
Unknown number.
 

YT-1300 Millennium Falcon

Skyhoppers

Cargo freighters

Imperial Shuttle Tydirium

 

Starfighter squadrons
88th Attack Squadron
94th Fighter/Attack Squadron
Aggressor Wing
Amber Wing
Azul Squadron
Bandit Squadron
Blade Squadron
Blood Squadron
Blue 77 Squadron
Blue Squadron 
Casper Squadron
Cobalt Squadron
Corona Squadron
Cracken Flight Group
Crimson Fury
Crimson Phoenix Squadron
Dagger Squadron
Dantooine Squadron
Deretta Destroyers
Dragon Squadron
Dust Squadron
Ecliptic Evaders
Exeter Squadron
Feral Group
Flying Bantha Squadron
Gavial Squadron
Gold Devils
Gold Squadron 
Gray Squadron 
Green Squadron 
Grez Squadron
Griffon Flight Wing
H-Beta Squadron
H-Delta Squadron 
Havoc Squadron
Jyn Freila's squadron
Lightspeed Panthers
Nightmare Squadron
Nomad Squadron
Oro Squadron
Phoenix Squadron
Plasma Devils
Rampant Squadron
Rascal Squadron
Red Squadron
Red Team
Renegade Flight
Rogue Squadron
Rust Squadron
Scavenger Squadron
Screamer Squadron
Shandor Squadron
Shark Squadron 
Soaring Dactillions
Specter Squadron 
Star Squadron
Stealth Squadron
Storm Squadron
Sundancer Squadron
Tierfon Yellow Aces
Tiger Squadron
Twilight Squadron (defected)
Ulan Squadron
Viper Squadron
Vortex Squadron
Wolf Squadron
Yellow Squadron

 

67 * 12 = 804 fighters.

 

 

I think, this fits my numbers pretty well :)

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I'd like to think your estimates are accurate, but when I check the facts here...

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Yavin/Legends  and here...

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Endor/Legends

I see something a little different...

 

 

• MC80 Home one type Star Cruisers
  Home One
  Defiance
  Independence 
  1 Unidentified 
 
• MC80 Liberty type Star Cruisers
  Liberty 
  Maria 
  Reef Home 
  Nautilian 
 
• MC80 wingless Liberty type Star Cruisers
• MC80a Star Cruisers 
Which can be eyeballed to be about 12+ in the movie ;)
 
• Smaller Mon Calamari Star Cruisers 
• Destroyers 
• Carriers 
• Dreadnaught-class heavy cruisers 
• Manowars 
 
Unknown number of these ships.
 
• Neutron Star-class bulk cruiser 
   Urjani
• Quasar Fire-class bulk cruiser 
   Flurry 
 
• 10+ EF76 Nebulon-B escort frigates 
  Antares Six 
  Redemption 
  Remembrance 
  Valiance 
  Yavaris 
  Patience 
  Promise 
 
• CR90 corvettes 
   Eridain 
   Masanya 
   NovaFlare 
   Old Republic 
   Pushti 
   Saki 
   Ullet 
 
These are only the known CR90s. The ones we don't know the name of aren't listed.
 
• DP20 frigates 
  Chandi
  Ensaiav 
  Ghorman's Honor 
  Mastala
  Telsor 
  Walerv 
  DukeDoom 
  Steadfast 
 
Same thing as with the CR90s
 
• GR-75 medium transports
  Limnate
  Luminous
  Tuima
 
Same ^^ Especially as there are at least 20 of them visible in the movie.
 
• Braha'tok-class gunships
  Braha'tok
  Torktarak
 
There were in fact only 2 of them.
 
• Tankers
 
• Alderaanian gunships
 
Unknown number.
 

YT-1300 Millennium Falcon

Skyhoppers

Cargo freighters

Imperial Shuttle Tydirium

 

Starfighter squadrons
88th Attack Squadron
94th Fighter/Attack Squadron
Aggressor Wing
Amber Wing
Azul Squadron
Bandit Squadron
Blade Squadron
Blood Squadron
Blue 77 Squadron
Blue Squadron 
Casper Squadron
Cobalt Squadron
Corona Squadron
Cracken Flight Group
Crimson Fury
Crimson Phoenix Squadron
Dagger Squadron
Dantooine Squadron
Deretta Destroyers
Dragon Squadron
Dust Squadron
Ecliptic Evaders
Exeter Squadron
Feral Group
Flying Bantha Squadron
Gavial Squadron
Gold Devils
Gold Squadron 
Gray Squadron 
Green Squadron 
Grez Squadron
Griffon Flight Wing
H-Beta Squadron
H-Delta Squadron 
Havoc Squadron
Jyn Freila's squadron
Lightspeed Panthers
Nightmare Squadron
Nomad Squadron
Oro Squadron
Phoenix Squadron
Plasma Devils
Rampant Squadron
Rascal Squadron
Red Squadron
Red Team
Renegade Flight
Rogue Squadron
Rust Squadron
Scavenger Squadron
Screamer Squadron
Shandor Squadron
Shark Squadron 
Soaring Dactillions
Specter Squadron 
Star Squadron
Stealth Squadron
Storm Squadron
Sundancer Squadron
Tierfon Yellow Aces
Tiger Squadron
Twilight Squadron (defected)
Ulan Squadron
Viper Squadron
Vortex Squadron
Wolf Squadron
Yellow Squadron

 

67 * 12 = 804 fighters.

 

 

I think, this fits my numbers pretty well :)

 

 

Rebel DP20 Gunships List - https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/108071-cr90-imperial-version-or-proxy-miniature/?p=1115211

Rebel CR90 Corvettes List - https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/108071-cr90-imperial-version-or-proxy-miniature/?p=1110794

 

I really doubt all of those fighter squadrons had a full compliment of 12 fighters each. 

I was mainly being thorough because it's a cool list to have.

Do all three lists add up to your 130 capital ship estimate?

...IDK, at the moment I'm to tired to check.

 

Looking back at my DP20 Gunship thread, I'm glad FFG added the Ordnance Tubes upgrade

as it's a cool coincidence that allowed me to simplify my design.

Having said that if the Scum Epic ship is the DP20 I'll laugh my head off. 

There are plenty of pirate DP20s out there in the EU. Eg.

"'The Gunship' was the name of Niles Ferrier's personal DP20 frigate."

 

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I really doubt all of those fighter squadrons had a full compliment of 12 fighters each. 

I was mainly being thorough because it's a cool list to have.

Do all three lists add up to your 130 capital ship estimate?

 

Not even really sure a 'full compliment' is 12 fighters.  That's certainly the EU standard, but nothing in canon suggests that.

 

There is a WIDE range, in historical usage, of what constitutes a 'squadron'.  For example - USAF 'squadrons' are more commonly 18-24 fighters, while French escadrilles are just 8 fighters.  Type of aircraft makes a BIG difference, though - bombers or heavier assault fighters tend to have fewer units to a squadron than superiority fighters.

 

The question really comes down to how the fighters are organized.  Generally a squadron will be 3-4 'flights'.  Seeing as how flights in Star Wars seem to usually be two pilots (lead pilot and their wingman), although 3 at times (Death Star trench runs were done in groups of 3 fighters), it seems more likely to me that the 'target' squadron strength in Star Wars is 8-11 fighters.  That would also explain the Battle of Yavin's allotment of fighters - 8 Y-Wings and 22 X-Wings, with 8-11 fighters in a squadron, neatly divides into two X-Wing squadrons and one Y-Wing squadron.  '12' to a squadron doesn't work at all.

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I'd like to think your estimates are accurate, but when I check the facts here...

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Yavin/Legends  and here...

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Endor/Legends

I see something a little different...

 

 

• MC80 Home one type Star Cruisers
  Home One
  Defiance
  Independence 
  1 Unidentified 
 
• MC80 Liberty type Star Cruisers
  Liberty 
  Maria 
  Reef Home 
  Nautilian 
 
• MC80 wingless Liberty type Star Cruisers
• MC80a Star Cruisers 
Which can be eyeballed to be about 12+ in the movie ;)
 
• Smaller Mon Calamari Star Cruisers 
• Destroyers 
• Carriers 
• Dreadnaught-class heavy cruisers 
• Manowars 
 
Unknown number of these ships.
 
• Neutron Star-class bulk cruiser 
   Urjani
• Quasar Fire-class bulk cruiser 
   Flurry 
 
• 10+ EF76 Nebulon-B escort frigates 
  Antares Six 
  Redemption 
  Remembrance 
  Valiance 
  Yavaris 
  Patience 
  Promise 
 
• CR90 corvettes 
   Eridain 
   Masanya 
   NovaFlare 
   Old Republic 
   Pushti 
   Saki 
   Ullet 
 
These are only the known CR90s. The ones we don't know the name of aren't listed.
 
• DP20 frigates 
  Chandi
  Ensaiav 
  Ghorman's Honor 
  Mastala
  Telsor 
  Walerv 
  DukeDoom 
  Steadfast 
 
Same thing as with the CR90s
 
• GR-75 medium transports
  Limnate
  Luminous
  Tuima
 
Same ^^ Especially as there are at least 20 of them visible in the movie.
 
• Braha'tok-class gunships
  Braha'tok
  Torktarak
 
There were in fact only 2 of them.
 
• Tankers
 
• Alderaanian gunships
 
Unknown number.
 

YT-1300 Millennium Falcon

Skyhoppers

Cargo freighters

Imperial Shuttle Tydirium

 

Starfighter squadrons
88th Attack Squadron
94th Fighter/Attack Squadron
Aggressor Wing
Amber Wing
Azul Squadron
Bandit Squadron
Blade Squadron
Blood Squadron
Blue 77 Squadron
Blue Squadron 
Casper Squadron
Cobalt Squadron
Corona Squadron
Cracken Flight Group
Crimson Fury
Crimson Phoenix Squadron
Dagger Squadron
Dantooine Squadron
Deretta Destroyers
Dragon Squadron
Dust Squadron
Ecliptic Evaders
Exeter Squadron
Feral Group
Flying Bantha Squadron
Gavial Squadron
Gold Devils
Gold Squadron 
Gray Squadron 
Green Squadron 
Grez Squadron
Griffon Flight Wing
H-Beta Squadron
H-Delta Squadron 
Havoc Squadron
Jyn Freila's squadron
Lightspeed Panthers
Nightmare Squadron
Nomad Squadron
Oro Squadron
Phoenix Squadron
Plasma Devils
Rampant Squadron
Rascal Squadron
Red Squadron
Red Team
Renegade Flight
Rogue Squadron
Rust Squadron
Scavenger Squadron
Screamer Squadron
Shandor Squadron
Shark Squadron 
Soaring Dactillions
Specter Squadron 
Star Squadron
Stealth Squadron
Storm Squadron
Sundancer Squadron
Tierfon Yellow Aces
Tiger Squadron
Twilight Squadron (defected)
Ulan Squadron
Viper Squadron
Vortex Squadron
Wolf Squadron
Yellow Squadron

 

67 * 12 = 804 fighters.

 

 

I think, this fits my numbers pretty well :)

 

 

Rebel DP20 Gunships List - https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/108071-cr90-imperial-version-or-proxy-miniature/?p=1115211

Rebel CR90 Corvettes List - https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/108071-cr90-imperial-version-or-proxy-miniature/?p=1110794

 

I really doubt all of those fighter squadrons had a full compliment of 12 fighters each. 

I was mainly being thorough because it's a cool list to have.

Do all three lists add up to your 130 capital ship estimate?

...IDK, at the moment I'm to tired to check.

 

Well with "These are only the known CR90s. The ones we don't know the name of aren't listed." I didn't mean "don't know at all" just, that these are the names of the ships taking part at the battle we know the names of.

 

Well I think that nearly all squadrons were at full strength. If some are not, you move them to other sqd. to make them have a full compliment.

 

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I really doubt all of those fighter squadrons had a full compliment of 12 fighters each. 

I was mainly being thorough because it's a cool list to have.

Do all three lists add up to your 130 capital ship estimate?

 

Not even really sure a 'full compliment' is 12 fighters.  That's certainly the EU standard, but nothing in canon suggests that.

 

There is a WIDE range, in historical usage, of what constitutes a 'squadron'.  For example - USAF 'squadrons' are more commonly 18-24 fighters, while French escadrilles are just 8 fighters.  Type of aircraft makes a BIG difference, though - bombers or heavier assault fighters tend to have fewer units to a squadron than superiority fighters.

 

The question really comes down to how the fighters are organized.  Generally a squadron will be 3-4 'flights'.  Seeing as how flights in Star Wars seem to usually be two pilots (lead pilot and their wingman), although 3 at times (Death Star trench runs were done in groups of 3 fighters), it seems more likely to me that the 'target' squadron strength in Star Wars is 8-11 fighters.  That would also explain the Battle of Yavin's allotment of fighters - 8 Y-Wings and 22 X-Wings, with 8-11 fighters in a squadron, neatly divides into two X-Wing squadrons and one Y-Wing squadron.  '12' to a squadron doesn't work at all.

 

 

Well Red Squadron numbered from 1-12, as Rogue Group did during the battle of Hoth. And as GL was taking many things from WWII I can see the common 12 fighter size used in Star Wars if we don't look into the EU.

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I really doubt all of those fighter squadrons had a full compliment of 12 fighters each. 

I was mainly being thorough because it's a cool list to have.

Do all three lists add up to your 130 capital ship estimate?

 

Not even really sure a 'full compliment' is 12 fighters.  That's certainly the EU standard, but nothing in canon suggests that.

 

There is a WIDE range, in historical usage, of what constitutes a 'squadron'.  For example - USAF 'squadrons' are more commonly 18-24 fighters, while French escadrilles are just 8 fighters.  Type of aircraft makes a BIG difference, though - bombers or heavier assault fighters tend to have fewer units to a squadron than superiority fighters.

 

The question really comes down to how the fighters are organized.  Generally a squadron will be 3-4 'flights'.  Seeing as how flights in Star Wars seem to usually be two pilots (lead pilot and their wingman), although 3 at times (Death Star trench runs were done in groups of 3 fighters), it seems more likely to me that the 'target' squadron strength in Star Wars is 8-11 fighters.  That would also explain the Battle of Yavin's allotment of fighters - 8 Y-Wings and 22 X-Wings, with 8-11 fighters in a squadron, neatly divides into two X-Wing squadrons and one Y-Wing squadron.  '12' to a squadron doesn't work at all.

 

 

Well Red Squadron numbered from 1-12, as Rogue Group did during the battle of Hoth. And as GL was taking many things from WWII I can see the common 12 fighter size used in Star Wars if we don't look into the EU.

 

 

Not in canon, no.

 

Jek Porkins was Red Nine, and Theron Nett was Red Ten...and that was it.  Only 10 pilots named in Red Squadron.

 

Rogue Squadron is similar - only pilots up to Rogue Eleven (a callsign used, although no name was canonically associated with it).  Rogue Twelve has never been used in canon.

 

Which basically supports the numbers I was tossing around above, based on the Battle of Yavin.  IE., superiority fighters (including X-Wings) come in squadrons of 11, assault fighters (Y-Wings) in squadrons of 8.

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Well Red Squadron numbered from 1-12, as Rogue Group did during the battle of Hoth. And as GL was taking many things from WWII I can see the common 12 fighter size used in Star Wars if we don't look into the EU.

 

 

Not in canon, no.

 

Jek Porkins was Red Nine, and Theron Nett was Red Ten...and that was it.  Only 10 pilots named in Red Squadron.

 

 

 We don't know there were only 10 pilots in red squadron.  We actually only have canonical names (at least on wikipedia's red squadron page) for 7 of them.  Jek was actually Red 6, we have no names for reds 7-9.  Nothing says (to my knowledge) that there couldn't have been an 11 and 12 as well (conversely, nothing says there WAS an 11 and 12).  

 

Rogue Squadron is similar - only pilots up to Rogue Eleven (a callsign used, although no name was canonically associated with it).  Rogue Twelve has never been used in canon.

 

Which basically supports the numbers I was tossing around above, based on the Battle of Yavin.  IE., superiority fighters (including X-Wings) come in squadrons of 11, assault fighters (Y-Wings) in squadrons of 8.

 

We have 6 named pilots from Rogue Group in Empire.  Rogues 10 and 11 are mentioned briefly.  We see Rogues 1-4 in the battle, which gives us 8 total people on 4 snowspeeders (with pilot and gunner each).  If 10 and 11 were 2 more snowspeeders, that'd theoretically be another 4 people, which could be a full 12 pilot squadron in x-wings if the gunners were normally x-wing pilots.  And once again, just because we haven't canonically SEEN a rogue twelve is bsaically meaningless or determining how big a squadron is.  Since we haven't seen rogues 5-9 either, we can't really glean any useful information outside of the 'minimum' number of people it had.

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There were only 8 Y-Wings at Yavin.  In one episode, the Rebels managed to grab 5 Y-Wings (which they did say in dialog were going to that cell, so we know that 5 of those 8 definitely were the Y-Wings our intrepid heroes stole).  It's not hard to imagine they had a couple on-hand, already, or that the Lothal cell manages to grab a few more over the course of the season.

 

 

Either way, they supplied most of the Y-Wings used at Yavin.

 

Not necessarily - those Y-Wings could have been lost in another battle and replaced before Yavin!

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C2-B5 from Rogue One.

What expansion might we get it in?

SWX58 maybe?

Is it Imperial?

 

Sexy looking like that, it must be...

 

 

 

8186_c2b5_1473225027_5b1_5d.jpg

 

Disney-Store-C2-B5-Elite-Series-Die-Cast

 

Elite_C2-B5.jpeg

 

If you go to the linked site the answer's a pretty obvious yes:

Since they are selling the miniatures along with the other characters,

then he must have some significant place in the plot of the movie.

I think the more interesting question is what does our expansion look like.

 

Threre's also R2-BHD who isn't getting the same treatment.

R2-BHD_-_Rogue_One.png

 

 

L-1 droid.

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The running bet I have with our group is that missing numbers for X-wing and Armada are both rou Rogue One additions, and that is a ground war campaign box for surface scenarios and atmospheric rules for X-wing. I'm hoping it is anyway. Might actually have something to do with all this X-wing stuff I have.

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If there is a 'withheld' stock number, then the code being rogue one related strikes me as very likely; if the ship is in some way a spoiler it makes sense (much like the TIE/fo and T-70 were withheld and added back in later). 

 

Given that the Striker and U-wing have both been announced and a fair amount of stuff shown off, though, it makes it hard to imagine what could be considered a 'spoiler' at this point. 

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Oh-oh, I didn't even consider this as a possibility and I don't know why. 

Is it likely, probably not, but it's not impossible. 

 

ResistanceTransport.jpg

 

Probably on hold due to the U-Wing filling the same role (tooled-up troop transport). 

 

 

and having the far superior wingspan

 

seriously, this thing ain't even trying

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