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@MerryVulture Please.  Edit your comment, take an hour, walk your dog/badger/hyperevolved fish/android, and have a drink.  We are a community bound together by a shared love of the game, and it is out of worry for the game that the object of your anger can be grating.  In even dancing around what you have chosen to dance around, this discussion has turned from unpleasant to something else.  I understand and share your frustration, but you have taken this much too far.  You all but admit that.  Don't be the guy that risks getting this thread locked.  That would be supremely unfair to Dras especially and a lot of other people.

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On ‎9‎/‎29‎/‎2018 at 8:25 PM, The Jabbawookie said:

@MerryVulture Please.  Edit your comment, take an hour, walk your dog/badger/hyperevolved fish/android, and have a drink.  We are a community bound together by a shared love of the game, and it is out of worry for the game that the object of your anger can be grating.  In even dancing around what you have chosen to dance around, this discussion has turned from unpleasant to something else.  I understand and share your frustration, but you have taken this much too far.  You all but admit that.  Don't be the guy that risks getting this thread locked.  That would be supremely unfair to Dras especially and a lot of other people.

Agreed.  However, if most people respond negatively to the comment, FFG admins tend not to lock (From what I can tell, it has to do with general behavior of the thread, something that this one is pretty straight and level on).

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I was just thinking about how TLJ basically canonised flotilla spam and is incompatible with Rogue One now.  Vader’s ship jumps into the middle of a group of ships jumping out and they just smash against its hull.  In TLJ has a much smaller ship shatter a supermassive ship and its entire escort fleet. So in lore, just take a whole bunch of suicide gallofree transports and jump through a star destroyer.

Maybe the gameplay equivalent would be “move one ship up to three times at speed 4 yaw 0 and then remove that ship.  Each ship it crosses over is destroyed.”

I am not advocating this even a little, I just don’t want to go to work this morning so i’m procrastinating.

In short, TLJ sucks.  That is all.

But I also think tomato paste and mackerel on toast sucks too but try telling my wife that, so if you like TLJ that’s ok.

Man I want another SSD article. ?

I’m most curious about the rumoured epic format.

Ok I seriously need to go to work.  Got to earn those pennies to buy more Armada ships...

 

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29 minutes ago, Bakura83 said:

Vader’s ship jumps into the middle of a group of ships jumping out and they just smash against its hull.

I think it’s a really fiddly timing thing.  The Devastator had just finished jumping, and the GR75 hadn’t quite begun to jump, so they interacted as you’d expect.  Really makes you look at that scene in a whole new light though; the Rebellion was so close to taking out Vader...

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32 minutes ago, Bakura83 said:

I was just thinking about how TLJ basically canonised flotilla spam and is incompatible with Rogue One now.  Vader’s ship jumps into the middle of a group of ships jumping out and they just smash against its hull.  In TLJ has a much smaller ship shatter a supermassive ship and its entire escort fleet. So in lore, just take a whole bunch of suicide gallofree transports and jump through a star destroyer.

Maybe the gameplay equivalent would be “move one ship up to three times at speed 4 yaw 0 and then remove that ship.  Each ship it crosses over is destroyed.”

I am not advocating this even a little, I just don’t want to go to work this morning so i’m procrastinating.

In short, TLJ sucks.  That is all.

But I also think tomato paste and mackerel on toast sucks too but try telling my wife that, so if you like TLJ that’s ok.

Man I want another SSD article. ?

I’m most curious about the rumoured epic format.

Ok I seriously need to go to work.  Got to earn those pennies to buy more Armada ships...

 

Ah, star wars and its love for cherrypicking physics.

Technically though, the flotilla in rogue 1 is still revving its engine for hyperspace, and vader's isd is at the end of its 'blip' phase and more in super speed deceleration. 

In tlj, the raddus is at the disappearing point of the 'blip' when it hits the supremacy. So a bit of a difference in mass+speed=impact

(Physics and science words aren't really my thing)

I enjoy both scenes equally for what they are...fantasy space opera.

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4 hours ago, Geressen said:

everyone is wrong sometimes, don't worry about your terrible opinions.

I don’t. ?

4 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:

I think it’s a really fiddly timing thing.  The Devastator had just finished jumping, and the GR75 hadn’t quite begun to jump, so they interacted as you’d expect.  Really makes you look at that scene in a whole new light though; the Rebellion was so close to taking out Vader...

If it’s a possibility why even risk it (and the fleet you are jumping in to reinforce/your own reinforcements jumping in behind you)?  Oh that’s right, because TLJ writers didn’t care at all about the established canon. ☹️  What is this - Star Trek?

4 hours ago, Jukey said:

Ah, star wars and its love for cherrypicking physics.

Technically though, the flotilla in rogue 1 is still revving its engine for hyperspace, and vader's isd is at the end of its 'blip' phase and more in super speed deceleration. 

In tlj, the raddus is at the disappearing point of the 'blip' when it hits the supremacy. So a bit of a difference in mass+speed=impact

(Physics and science words aren't really my thing)

I enjoy both scenes equally for what they are...fantasy space opera.

I knew someone(s) would mention that. ?

You are right of course, I’m just humpfing.

Here’s a generally discussion question for you, if Armada IS introducing an epic format, are you for or against the SSD just being a super-strong version of a normal ship or would you have preferred a multi-card hull like the huge ships in Epic X-Wing where they have separate hardpoints, shields, hull etc?

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The big problem with TLJ is that Ryan Johnson doesn't know how shields work. While you can indeed focus your shields to a particular point of the ship, squadrons and ships can't just get trough the shield at a high speed like Poe's X-wing or the Raddus. Squadrons could get trough the shields in earlier movies after the ship had already taken some damage. While Poe's x-wing just gets trough the shields at a high speed no problem. Remember the X-wings in rogue one trying to get trough the shield gate? It didn't end well for the pilots. There is literally a clone wars episode in wich is explained that fast moving thermal detonators can't get trough shields while slow moving one's can. Why else did the droids slow down while entering the shield on the battle of Naboo. While crude weapons can get trough shields, both X-wings and the Raddus aren't crude projectiles. They're just fast moving vehicles that should get destroyed on impact like the x-wings on Scarif or the other fighters at the battle of Endor (do you see any damage to the star destroyers they crash into?).

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2 minutes ago, Skullfett said:

The big problem with TLJ is that Ryan Johnson doesn't know how shields work. While you can indeed focus your shields to a particular point of the ship, squadrons and ships can't just get trough the shield at a high speed like Poe's X-wing or the Raddus. Squadrons could get trough the shields in earlier movies after the ship had already taken some damage. While Poe's x-wing just gets trough the shields at a high speed no problem. Remember the X-wings in rogue one trying to get trough the shield gate? It didn't end well for the pilots. There is literally a clone wars episode in wich is explained that fast moving thermal detonators can't get trough shields while slow moving one's can. Why else did the droids slow down while entering the shield on the battle of Naboo. While crude weapons can get trough shields, both X-wings and the Raddus aren't crude projectiles. They're just fast moving vehicles that should get destroyed on impact like the x-wings on Scarif or the other fighters at the battle of Endor (do you see any damage to the star destroyers they crash into?).

Is it possible the Fulminatrix’s shields had to be down while the autocannons were in use?  In my immediate memory we haven’t seen a gun-to-ship ratio like that since the Conqueror.  A massive energy output inside the shield could cause problems.  And they are siege weapons, implying they might rely on superior range.  The Raddus...  yeah, that’s dumb.  It is described as having experimental shields, but that would change the face of galactic naval combat in the coming decades, which isn’t gonna happen.  More likely it’s a “great shot Holdo, that was one in a million!” moment.

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14 minutes ago, Skullfett said:

The big problem with TLJ is that Ryan Johnson doesn't know how shields work. While you can indeed focus your shields to a particular point of the ship, squadrons and ships can't just get trough the shield at a high speed like Poe's X-wing or the Raddus. Squadrons could get trough the shields in earlier movies after the ship had already taken some damage. While Poe's x-wing just gets trough the shields at a high speed no problem. Remember the X-wings in rogue one trying to get trough the shield gate? It didn't end well for the pilots. There is literally a clone wars episode in wich is explained that fast moving thermal detonators can't get trough shields while slow moving one's can. Why else did the droids slow down while entering the shield on the battle of Naboo. While crude weapons can get trough shields, both X-wings and the Raddus aren't crude projectiles. They're just fast moving vehicles that should get destroyed on impact like the x-wings on Scarif or the other fighters at the battle of Endor (do you see any damage to the star destroyers they crash into?).

Aren't there multiple kinds of shields?

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Well. One could argue that a SSD seems to be able to cruise along an asteroids field like it's nothing more than a refreshing rain, while a Supremacy can't withstand a decades old Mon Cal ship ? NONESENS!

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1 hour ago, svelok said:

This isn't the "TLJ discussion" thread, and I'm gonna be kinda sad if it gets moved to off-topic or locked...

Well I did try to nip things in the bud and change topics but no one took the bait.  Shame because I was genuinely interested in what people thought.

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36 minutes ago, Bakura83 said:

Well I did try to nip things in the bud and change topics but no one took the bait.  Shame because I was genuinely interested in what people thought.

I think that Armada Epic would be interesting, but the slower pace and turn limit means that multiple cards may end up being problematic.  In X-wing, when an epic ship loses its front, that section becomes a ram, and interposes itself between the rear and the enemy.  While thematic, I think this could end up being bad in armada.  It is, however, interesting.  going off of your idea: How about 6 hull zones but once 3 die, it dies too?

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On 9/29/2018 at 9:00 PM, MerryVulture said:

I predict an article...

I actually won't see it. It is coming, and soon (in a geological sense). But so many otherwise decent posters have posted something that has (or will, for those of you without a time machine*) "(How the **** hard is it to spell irritated?)" irritated me so badly that I responded so badly as to be banned. And by responded so badly to be banned, I mean profanity, threats and a reasonable reason for believing I could follow through.

I know I am not serious on most of my death threats, but no one else should take that chance. That  is one of the greatest problems of the world today, we expect to many people to take that chance.

That said, Dominsosfleet ... I find you, ...Disappointing. (understatement to the 9th degree)

Well, this forum is super serious and absolutely worth threatening the well being of others i suppose...if you're incredibly unstable. Take the meds, calm down, and try to figure out the concept that other people might disagree with you. 

And people think my negativity is bad for the community. 

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31 minutes ago, Do I need a Username said:

It is, however, interesting.  going off of your idea: How about 6 hull zones but once 3 die, it dies too?

I like it.  It accurately represents a battered ship losing power as it gets more damaged, but negates the tedium of having to “ring-around-the-roses” getting every last hull zone.  Right now, we have a super powerful ship locking down almost all of its players points that stays super powerful right until the moment it dies, while the enemy fleet gets weaker with every ship destroyed.

The counterpoint is, with a ship as immobile as the SSD seems to be, knocking out one or two of its arcs has the potential to turn it into a useless wall of obstruction.

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