Kael 1,865 Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) It is really hard to find a good rifle (or a rifle in general) that is below rarity 5. The cost is not a problem for me lol. Just the rarity. Edit Also, Kael, I'm sorry you felt unwell, and I'm glad you're recovering. Thanks. I get sick often, so I have my good days and my bad ones. No worries though. Edited August 31, 2016 by Kael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbird888 4,110 Posted August 31, 2016 It is really hard to find a good rifle (or a rifle in general) that is below rarity 5. The cost is not a problem for me lol. Just the rarity. I think the weapon has to be equal/under the price/rarity of a basic lightsaber with a crystal. It's just the utility item that must be 5 or less. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Comrade Cosmonaut 490 Posted August 31, 2016 So, the missus and I went out for a day of celebration into the city, so when I last wrote, I did so from a phone on a train, and maybe was less detailed than I should have been. The items can be the things that your characters had on them when they were captured, or they can be things found after, but I'd like a consensus on this rather than a different ruling per person just so it makes sense; but, given that I'm seeing a kyuzo with a kyuzo hat, and nobles' clothes and accessories, a box of "his" cigars, and "her father's poetry," I'm beginning to suspect that these are things they had when taken. Darn, Expensive Jewelry is rarity 7 and 2,000 credits, can't use it as my "utility" item...unless I can give up my weapon for it...? *wink wink nudge nudge* I'll try to find something else... By all means. Most folks would consider a lack of a weapon a detriment in a galaxy at war. I've already worked out what equipment Ze'nemon starts with: A Kyuzo war shield. Concealing robes. Provided restricted utility items are accepted, I'll take a set of lockpicking tools. If not, I might just pass on a utility item for now. A long strip of bloodied cloth, worn around the left hand and forearm. Are they bandages, or... ? Good, good... Darn, Expensive Jewelry is rarity 7 and 2,000 credits, can't use it as my "utility" item...unless I can give up my weapon for it...? *wink wink nudge nudge* I'll try to find something else... I'm going with a sniper rifle (I need to look them over but I think the one I liked that's in the Explores book may be priced at the sabre price), armored clothing that looks like a duster, macro binoculars, and his box of cigars. If it's the E-11s you're thinking of, my experiences with it make it less awesome than the stat block suggests. Okay, Kalira's gear, we have two options. We'll be going with option 1 unless not only Cosmonaut, but everyone else, agrees that the switch is amenable: Option 1: --Defender Sporting Blaster Pistol (DA pg. 44; Rarity 6, 650 cr) --Superior, custom-fit noble regalia (DA pg. 49; Rarity 7 (attachments 6 and 3); 750 + 5,000 + 400 = 6,150 cr) --Personal Transponder (KtP pg. 51; Rarity 4, 100 cr) --A fancy diary (with paper and ink and everything), complete with quill and ink pot, in which she records her dreams. Option 2: --Superior, custom-fit noble regalia (DA pg. 49; Rarity 7 (attachments 6 and 3); 750 + 5,000 + 400 = 6,150 cr) --Expensive Jewelry (DA pg. 51; Rarity 7, 2,000 cr) --A fancy diary (with paper and ink and everything), complete with quill and ink pot, in which she records her dreams. Keep in mind, though, that if we do go with option 1, everyone will have to listen to her screech about how "They SOLD my jewelry!" Also, the attachments can definitely be removed if my assumption about them being allowed on our lightsaber-alternative was mistaken. I am fine with option 2, but, yes, what does everyone else think? Alright, I think mine is ready: • One basic lightsaber (purple)• One set of adverse environmental gear (specialized for the jungle, assists with hot or wet weather)• One wilderness survival kit, minus the medpac• A datapad, filled with her father's poetry And, if we can have a cheap weapon as well as a lightsaber, one ancient sword.(Her notes are obviously out there somewhere, but she's probably not getting those back.) Keep your eyes open for additional pick up items (though this isn't a tremendous loot sweeper like Diablo still, you can usually find what your need). 1 Absol197 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Absol197 5,296 Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) So, the missus and I went out for a day of celebration into the city, so when I last wrote, I did so from a phone on a train, and maybe was less detailed than I should have been. Yay! Congrats on whatever you were celebrating ! The items can be the things that your characters had on them when they were captured, or they can be things found after, but I'd like a consensus on this rather than a different ruling per person just so it makes sense; but, given that I'm seeing a kyuzo with a kyuzo hat, and nobles' clothes and accessories, a box of "his" cigars, and "her father's poetry," I'm beginning to suspect that these are things they had when taken. Yeah, I'm thinking we all kinda decided on things that we had with us that were confiscated during our incarceration. Great players think alike! Or, wait...is that a good thing or... Darn, Expensive Jewelry is rarity 7 and 2,000 credits, can't use it as my "utility" item...unless I can give up my weapon for it...? *wink wink nudge nudge* I'll try to find something else... By all means. Most folks would consider a lack of a weapon a detriment in a galaxy at war. The other thing to consider is that, thinking of the kinds of places we're likely to go, she'll have to leave her fancy duds and flashy bling stowed away a lot, or risk drawing all the wrong sorts of attention... Great for you as a GM, not so much for the character ~ Okay, Kalira's gear, we have two options. We'll be going with option 1 unless not only Cosmonaut, but everyone else, agrees that the switch is amenable: Option 1: --Defender Sporting Blaster Pistol (DA pg. 44; Rarity 6, 650 cr) --Superior, custom-fit noble regalia (DA pg. 49; Rarity 7 (attachments 6 and 3); 750 + 5,000 + 400 = 6,150 cr) --Personal Transponder (KtP pg. 51; Rarity 4, 100 cr) --A fancy diary (with paper and ink and everything), complete with quill and ink pot, in which she records her dreams. Option 2: --Superior, custom-fit noble regalia (DA pg. 49; Rarity 7 (attachments 6 and 3); 750 + 5,000 + 400 = 6,150 cr) --Expensive Jewelry (DA pg. 51; Rarity 7, 2,000 cr) --A fancy diary (with paper and ink and everything), complete with quill and ink pot, in which she records her dreams. Keep in mind, though, that if we do go with option 1, everyone will have to listen to her screech about how "They SOLD my jewelry!" Also, the attachments can definitely be removed if my assumption about them being allowed on our lightsaber-alternative was mistaken. I am fine with option 2, but, yes, what does everyone else think? Great! One out of five, but probably the most important one...Perhaps it might be better to ask, does anyone have an issue with that replacement? Edited August 31, 2016 by Absol197 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kael 1,865 Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) Wait, were all the gear besides the lightsaber-alternative restricted by rarity 5? The way the post read it seemed like it was only the utility item that was... This may be on me. I read it as all the items had to be rarity 5. But based on his response I'm thinking it's just the utility item. Though there's still the question, can we use the difference between cost of lightsabre and non lightsabre weapon to buy mods? If it's the E-11s you're thinking of, my experiences with it make it less awesome than the stat block suggests. The Model 38 actually. I don't have the Brawn for the E-11 (not without using Enhance anyway). The Model 38 on the other hand does less damage yes, but still carries some good traits and isn't a slow fire weapon (I had also considered the 3R-8 Take Down from Savage Spirits, which was what the original sheet had, but that's slow firing and prepare!). Also there is a certain amount of charm with a slugthrower. You know. As an aside I'm down for getting our equipment back during the escape. It makes a bit of sense considering what we are all picking up. Also I think I will drop Misdirect and instead buy a rank or two in Knowledge Core Worlds to represent his limited exposure to high society and nobility. That's covered with Knowledge Core right? Edited August 31, 2016 by Kael 1 Absol197 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinistar 46 Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) I don't have an issue with the replacement, Absol! I also think picking our gear back up, rather than scavenging new stuff, makes sense, and it works really well for my purposes. I received word today that my SWSheets bug report has been processed and the word count is no longer an issue, or shouldn't be. So that's good! Edited August 31, 2016 by sinistar 1 Absol197 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Absol197 5,296 Posted August 31, 2016 Yay! Also, I edited a description of Kalira's diary into my equipment post incase anyone cares (they probably don't, but still ). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Absol197 5,296 Posted August 31, 2016 Also I think I will drop Misdirect and instead buy a rank or two in Knowledge Core Worlds to represent his limited exposure to high society and nobility. That's covered with Knowledge Core right? I would think either Knowledge (Core Worlds) or Knowledge (Education). I would lean Core Worlds, but that's up to our wonderful GM ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kael 1,865 Posted August 31, 2016 Hmmmm now that I've gone over that spread sheet (thanks btw!!!) I can't decide between the Model 38 or the Blast Tech M300. Hmmmm 1 sinistar reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Absol197 5,296 Posted August 31, 2016 I can't find the M300, but the Model 38 is pretty legit! I'd go with that, just because people always underestimate slugthrowers! Plus it's more refined and noblemanly to use such an "archaic" weapon . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kael 1,865 Posted August 31, 2016 I can't find the M300, but the Model 38 is pretty legit! I'd go with that, just because people always underestimate slugthrowers! Plus it's more refined and noblemanly to use such an "archaic" weapon . It's in Savage Spirits. I missed it in my initial scan and it only came to my attention when going over the Excel file that was linked and I was liked huh .... sporting blaster. Though you do have a point about the archaic weapon being more refined and noble. It also helps that the Model 38 is a custom built weapon. Each one is made just for that owner. 1 Absol197 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Comrade Cosmonaut 490 Posted August 31, 2016 Also I think I will drop Misdirect and instead buy a rank or two in Knowledge Core Worlds to represent his limited exposure to high society and nobility. That's covered with Knowledge Core right? I would think either Knowledge (Core Worlds) or Knowledge (Education). I would lean Core Worlds, but that's up to our wonderful GM ! Well, yes in the Core for sure, and possibly on planets where society has been based on Core worlds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kael 1,865 Posted August 31, 2016 Also I think I will drop Misdirect and instead buy a rank or two in Knowledge Core Worlds to represent his limited exposure to high society and nobility. That's covered with Knowledge Core right? I would think either Knowledge (Core Worlds) or Knowledge (Education). I would lean Core Worlds, but that's up to our wonderful GM ! Well, yes in the Core for sure, and possibly on planets where society has been based on Core worlds. Well his knowledge of nobility comes from growing up in the Tapani sector. But that's the Colonies region. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Shy Ion 502 Posted August 31, 2016 I've got no issue with the replacement, Absol. 1 Absol197 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbird888 4,110 Posted August 31, 2016 Also I think I will drop Misdirect and instead buy a rank or two in Knowledge Core Worlds to represent his limited exposure to high society and nobility. That's covered with Knowledge Core right? I would think either Knowledge (Core Worlds) or Knowledge (Education). I would lean Core Worlds, but that's up to our wonderful GM ! Well, yes in the Core for sure, and possibly on planets where society has been based on Core worlds. Well his knowledge of nobility comes from growing up in the Tapani sector. But that's the Colonies region. Right in the border of the Core. That could be justified, the GM permitting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Shy Ion 502 Posted August 31, 2016 *adds equipment to sheet* ...apparently wilderness survival kits are really heavy, who knew? New goal: find a backpack, so I'm not encumbered. Once we get our stuff back, I mean. 1 Absol197 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Absol197 5,296 Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) Thanks . So, just putting the pieces together in my head, it seems we've got most of our starting events set. Ze'nemon was imprisoned after he tried to get revenge for the betrayal of his clovoc; DLMA allowed herself to be captured to infiltrate whatever operation is going on and get the detainees out; Aanu was likely snatched from some ruin while she was researching, or when sharing her findings with someone. I'm not precisely sure the details of Kalira's capture, nor do I think we've discussed Kolah's. But that's the story we've got so far, unless I missed something, right? Maybe Kolah was was taken trying to crash a noble's event? Or perhaps he was given a fake Bounty as a test, and when he was able to find the target when all logic says he shouldn't be able to, he was pegged as sensitive and hauled in? Of course, all this is just me being obsessive as always. If we want to leave some things open or unspoken for now, that might be a good idea too. A note to everyone: I try my best to moderate myself, but if my constant chatter gets irritating, please let me know. I don't want to annoy any of you, but I am very intense and focused, so I may do so accidentally and I can't know unless you tell me! Edited August 31, 2016 by Absol197 1 The Shy Ion reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kael 1,865 Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) Are we captured by the Empire? I was never sure on that. That's why I haven't really posted about how he was captured. If it's the Empire though maybe he took a bounty on an Imperial and it went south for him. Didn't know the Imperial he took had connections and those connections caught up with him. Also while we're not using Morality are we going with the Strength and Weakness? Those were fairly interesting conceptionally for driving a character. Edited August 31, 2016 by Kael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Absol197 5,296 Posted August 31, 2016 I've been assuming Empire because it's the obvious choice, but Master Cosmonaut has not actually explicitly said so. So I very well may be wrong! We may not find out until the game starts. Surprise! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Shy Ion 502 Posted August 31, 2016 Thanks . So, just putting the pieces together in my head, it seems we've got most of our starting events set. Ze'nemon was imprisoned after he tried to get revenge for the betrayal of his clovoc; DLMA allowed herself to be captured to infiltrate whatever operation is going on and get the detainees out; Aanu was likely snatched from some ruin while she was researching, or when sharing her findings with someone. I'm not precisely sure the details of Kalira's capture, nor do I think we've discussed Kolah's. But that's the story we've got so far, unless I missed something, right? Maybe Kolah was was taken trying to crash a noble's event? Or perhaps he was given a fake Bounty as a test, and when he was able to find the target when all logic says he shouldn't be able to, he was pegged as sensitive and hauled in? Of course, all this is just me being obsessive as always. If we want to leave some things open or unspoken for now, that might be a good idea too. A note to everyone: I try my best to moderate myself, but if my constant chatter gets irritating, please let me know. I don't want to annoy any of you, but I am very intense and focused, so I may do so accidentally and I can't know unless you tell me! The chatter is great! I... sort of do the same thing. Which is part of how we ended up with all this great back-and-forth, I suspect! And, yeah, I figure Aanu picked the wrong place to go researching, tried to intimidate someone she shouldn't have, and ended up captured. Because sometimes you're outnumbered, and not throwing rocks is the better part of valor. Or something like that. Eee, I can't wait for the game to start. We've got a great group, I think. 2 Comrade Cosmonaut and Absol197 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Absol197 5,296 Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) I agree! A couple of friendly faces I recognize and had hoped to get the chance to play with at some point, and some new friends that I get to make! Add in fun, inventive, colorful characters and what's not to love ? EDIT: Hey, random question for you long-time forumites: sometimes people's usernames will be italicized when the forum is showing who's currently viewing the thread. Does anyone know why that is? I had thought it meant they were currently typing a post, but my data does not back up that supposition, and it's bugging the heck out of me... Edited August 31, 2016 by Absol197 1 The Shy Ion reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Comrade Cosmonaut 490 Posted August 31, 2016 Also I think I will drop Misdirect and instead buy a rank or two in Knowledge Core Worlds to represent his limited exposure to high society and nobility. That's covered with Knowledge Core right? I would think either Knowledge (Core Worlds) or Knowledge (Education). I would lean Core Worlds, but that's up to our wonderful GM ! Well, yes in the Core for sure, and possibly on planets where society has been based on Core worlds. Well his knowledge of nobility comes from growing up in the Tapani sector. But that's the Colonies region. Right in the border of the Core. That could be justified, the GM permitting. The Tapani sector is fairly well settled and gentrified, and that's kind of my point, really. It's settled and "safe" and designed to be very much like Core worlds, so I don't see why Knowledge Core Worlds shouldn't work in that situation. I've been assuming Empire because it's the obvious choice, but Master Cosmonaut has not actually explicitly said so. So I very well may be wrong! We may not find out until the game starts. Surprise! No, I decidedly did not say it was the Empire. But, yeah. It's the Empire. Sue me. 1 Absol197 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Shy Ion 502 Posted August 31, 2016 I've been wondering about the names too! I thought it might mean typing, but it didn't, so my current hypothesis is that they're there but idle. Which is probably also wrong, so who knows? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Absol197 5,296 Posted August 31, 2016 I've been wondering about the names too! I thought it might mean typing, but it didn't, so my current hypothesis is that they're there but idle. Which is probably also wrong, so who knows? Not me, that's who! And I just made the connection that Aanu is the only one who has a lightsaber. Kalira hates the Jedi (she's bought into the Imperial propaganda 100%, and her favorite holovids are the (numerous) ones with Jedi as the villains who get curbstomped by ordinary citizens who realize that their "amazing powers" are just parlor tricks), so guess who's on her short list, despite being the most "normal" looking alien in the group? The first several interactions between these two is going to be great, especially during the in-between time when they realize that they can't seem to get away form each other but haven't yet figured out why ! I've been assuming Empire because it's the obvious choice, but Master Cosmonaut has not actually explicitly said so. So I very well may be wrong! We may not find out until the game starts. Surprise! No, I decidedly did not say it was the Empire. But, yeah. It's the Empire. Sue me. It's not like any of us didn't expect it, really . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Shy Ion 502 Posted August 31, 2016 Not me, that's who! And I just made the connection that Aanu is the only one who has a lightsaber. Kalira hates the Jedi (she's bought into the Imperial propaganda 100%, and her favorite holovids are the (numerous) ones with Jedi as the villains who get curbstomped by ordinary citizens who realize that their "amazing powers" are just parlor tricks), so guess who's on her short list, despite being the most "normal" looking alien in the group? The first several interactions between these two is going to be great, especially during the in-between time when they realize that they can't seem to get away form each other but haven't yet figured out why ! I foresee a very irritated Aanu attempting to explain that she is not a Jedi, drat it. And then ranting about Imperial propaganda and the people who buy into it. And if people start expecting her to be a member of a dead religion, then they'd better get used to disappointment. But, yes, this is great. Aanu found a purple lightsaber in some ruin (origin unknown; purple is one of the ambiguous colors...) and is probably the most traditional Force-user here. For all that she's not hugely Jedi-ish. And now they're stuck with each other. 1 Absol197 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites