Turrets and 360° Firing Arcs

[Slugrage 5,011]

I find it vaguely amusing (and a small degree of smug self-satisfaction) that when I wrote this: https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/198552-psa-360-degree-firing-arc/back in January, a bunch of nerds went out of their way to say everyone understood it and it was a waste of space.

Good to see we're still having the same discussion many months later.

Jerks.

[Quarrel 631]

I have been trying to find this ruling (about the can't be out of firing arc when there is not a firing arc printed) and can't see it in either the epic rule book or in the FAQ.  Can you show it to me, I am a 

Noob asking honestly not trying to make trouble for anyone.

Under "Missions" on the last page of the regular FAQ:

Q: Is Backstabber outside the firing arc of a ship that has no printed firing arc?

A: No, Backstabber’s pilot ability only triggers against ships that have a printed firing arc.

This is specific to Backstabber, but arguing that it's a general ruling is awfully strong.

[bgrelle 246]

 

I have been trying to find this ruling (about the can't be out of firing arc when there is not a firing arc printed) and can't see it in either the epic rule book or in the FAQ.  Can you show it to me, I am a 

Noob asking honestly not trying to make trouble for anyone.

Under "Missions" on the last page of the regular FAQ:

Q: Is Backstabber outside the firing arc of a ship that has no printed firing arc?

A: No, Backstabber’s pilot ability only triggers against ships that have a printed firing arc.

This is specific to Backstabber, but arguing that it's a general ruling is awfully strong.

 

 

And that would be why I couldn't find it, never even looked in the missions section.  I probably read everything else but had it in my head that there was no way it would be there since it was more of an attack type question than a mission specific question but then is that ship (not Backstabber, the big one) mission only use or does it have other applications?

[Quarrel 631]

is that [big] ship mission only use or does it have other applications?

I can't see how this ruling would apply to missions only. It's only in the Mission section of the FAQ because it's really old. The original core set has a token ship with no firing arcs that's used in Mission #1, and Backstabber was a Wave 1 release.

[bgrelle 246]

 

is that [big] ship mission only use or does it have other applications?

I can't see how this ruling would apply to missions only. It's only in the Mission section of the FAQ because it's really old. The original core set has a token ship with no firing arcs that's used in Mission #1, and Backstabber was a Wave 1 release.

 

 

I wasn't trying to make the ruling mission only, I was asking if the ship (GR-75, I have no idea what this is but I assumed it was a big ship) was mission only or if it was playable in other ways.  Also, are there any other ships that don't have a printed firing arc that the ruling could apply to?

[Quarrel 631]

I was asking if the ship (GR-75, I have no idea what this is but I assumed it was a big ship) was mission only or if it was playable in other ways.

It's totally legal for normal epic games.

[VanorDM 11,599]

I was asking if the ship (GR-75, I have no idea what this is but I assumed it was a big ship)

 

The GR-75 is also called the Rebel Transport.

[bgrelle 246]

 

I was asking if the ship (GR-75, I have no idea what this is but I assumed it was a big ship)

 

The GR-75 is also called the Rebel Transport.

 

 

Got it now thank you.

[Stoneface 3,750]

I find it vaguely amusing (and a small degree of smug self-satisfaction) that when I wrote this: https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/198552-psa-360-degree-firing-arc/back in January, a bunch of nerds went out of their way to say everyone understood it and it was a waste of space.

Good to see we're still having the same discussion many months later.

Jerks.

The problem is our player base is increasing. Using the search engine you either get a ton of results that you have to sift through or "zero" results. Have some patience and sympathy for noobs.

[Slugrage 5,011]

 

I find it vaguely amusing (and a small degree of smug self-satisfaction) that when I wrote this: https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/198552-psa-360-degree-firing-arc/back in January, a bunch of nerds went out of their way to say everyone understood it and it was a waste of space.

Good to see we're still having the same discussion many months later.

Jerks.

The problem is our player base is increasing. Using the search engine you either get a ton of results that you have to sift through or "zero" results. Have some patience and sympathy for noobs.

 

I have the utmost patience for new players to the game. I was a new player myself once.

[showells 1]

"Outside of arc" - means I can fire all around me including my primary firing arc - right? So surely a normal response would be yes I can fire 360 as that means a circle -  but because I'm obviously wrong per all the above can someone explain it slowly.... as I'm a tired middleaged dad getting his butt kicked by his 13 year old son at this game and firing in any direction I want with a TLT keeps me at least viable. 

[InterceptorMad 2,007]

1 hour ago, showells said:

"Outside of arc" - means I can fire all around me including my primary firing arc - right? So surely a normal response would be yes I can fire 360 as that means a circle -  but because I'm obviously wrong per all the above can someone explain it slowly.... as I'm a tired middleaged dad getting his butt kicked by his 13 year old son at this game and firing in any direction I want with a TLT keeps me at least viable. 

You aren't wrong. This thread was mainly about the ships that can shoot all around with a primary weapon (like the Falcon) and what 'in arc' means.

A lot of people assume that a ship like the Falcon has a 360 ARC. Which it does not. It has a primary arc like every other ship, but can also fire outside of it. So upgrade cards that say 'in your primary arc' do not work when, say, you fire at a ship behind the Falcon model.

[StevenO 2,996]

A "firing arc" has a very specific meaning in the game and affects many abilities.  One of those abilities happens to be where many attacks can be directed.

When you have an attack that can be made outside of your firing arc that means you can make it anywhere within range.  The designated "firing arc" is still that but it may not be restricting some of your attacks.

[emeraldbeacon 1,996]

On 7/13/2016 at 10:51 AM, bgrelle said:

 

I wasn't trying to make the ruling mission only, I was asking if the ship (GR-75, I have no idea what this is but I assumed it was a big ship) was mission only or if it was playable in other ways.  Also, are there any other ships that don't have a printed firing arc that the ruling could apply to?

Senator's Shuttle token?

#technicalities

Edited October 20, 2017 by emeraldbeacon