Endless Vigil A Sourcebook for Sentinels!!!

[Guest cimmerianthief]

Mirulaka, because we need a Blind Batman.

Remember Justice is BLIND!!!

 

...and, Savage Spirits introduces a Force Power for those with blindness...

 

EDIT: ...and I recall something about this book (Endless Vigil) was supposed to be out BEFORE Savage Spirits, so...

Edited August 9, 2016 by cimmerianthief

[Absol197 5,296]

Just so everyone knows where I'm getting that, Endless Vigil is product code SWF30, while Savage Spirits is SWF41. So based on the product codes, Savage Spirits was intended to be released after Endless Vigil, another unknown career book, and another non-career book (likely an Adventure).

So it's possible the images and layout we see in Savage Spirits was expecting the things in those books to already be on the shelf. It's also possible they changed it when they decided to release things out of the originally expected order.

Edited August 9, 2016 by Absol197

[Richardbuxton 7,319]

And with Forged In Battle we got our first look at a species who has the mechanics of a Force Power as a Species Ability. The cost is obviously going to be different, but Mirulaka could have the basic Farsight power for free and an upgrade for a strain cost.

[Comrade Cosmonaut 490]

And with Forged In Battle we got our first look at a species who has the mechanics of a Force Power as a Species Ability. The cost is obviously going to be different, but Mirulaka could have the basic Farsight power for free and an upgrade for a strain cost.

To hell with it. I hope we never get Miraluka. Hope that it turns into a forum joke. Eight or nine years from now, someone says they want a Miraluka, out come the old timers, hooting and hollering.

[Rakaydos 4,236]

Mirulaka, because we need a Blind Batman.

Remember Justice is BLIND!!!

Make him a lawyer as a day job, an you got yourself a Netflix Series.

(Daredevil)

[Krieger22 2,471]

If we ever get Miraulka, my money is on the Mystic book or Consular book.

[Absol197 5,296]

Huh what? Mystic book? What did you hear?! Tell me!

...eh-hem, sorry, I get worked up...

The species in Forged in Battle with Force Leap as a special ability is interesting, I admit. I do like that they left it open enough that the species still benefits from taking Enhance, instead of just making that part of the Force power useless, but as mentioned it does open the doors for more.

However, should miraluka ever be released (I'm not too enchanted by them, but whatever, it'll make some people happy), you'll want to keep in mind that if they do show up and FFG follows a similar pattern, their innate Farsight ability would not be so potent as to make the Farsight power itself irrelevant to them. Therefore, I would expect that their abilities would basically say that, although they are blind they take no penalties (but gain no bonuses) from their lack of eyes, and they can suffer 3 strain (as an incidental? A maneuver? Probably a maneuver) to see through obfuscation and objects within medium range for the rest of the round. That way even the basic power of Farsight is still something that they benefit from taking.

Of course, Forged in Battle is an Age book, and therefore it is by no means assumed that every character is Force-sensitive. If the MiraLucas do show up it will be, as expected, in a Force book, and therefore a different means of describing their ability may present itself that goes along with Force's conceit of every character starting with a Force Rating of 1. I personally doubt they'd do that, as even though Force and Destiny does assume that, the developers are not idiots, and they know that people will try to port the race to Edge or Age. They wouldn't make a race that requires a F&D career to use.

Edited August 11, 2016 by Absol197

[Tramp Graphics 2,328]

Huh what? Mystic book? What did you hear?! Tell me!

...eh-hem, sorry, I get worked up...

The species in Forged in Battle with Force Leap as a special ability is interesting, I admit. I do like that they left it open enough that the species still benefits from taking Enhance, instead of just making that part of the Force power useless, but as mentioned it does open the doors for more.

However, should miraluka ever be released (I'm not too enchanted by them, but whatever, it'll make some people happy), you'll want to keep in mind that if they do show up and FFG follows a similar pattern, their innate Farsight ability would not be so potent as to make the Farsight power itself irrelevant to them. Therefore, I would expect that their abilities would basically say that, although they are blind they take no penalties (but gain no bonuses) from their lack of eyes, and they can suffer 3 strain (as an incidental? A maneuver? Probably a maneuver) to see through obfuscation and objects within medium range for the rest of the round. That way even the basic power of Farsight is still something that they benefit from taking.

Of course, Forged in Battle is an Age book, and therefore it is by no means assumed that every character is Force-sensitive. If the MiraLucas do show up it will be, as expected, in a Force book, and therefore a different means of describing their ability may present itself that goes along with Force's conceit of every character starting with a Force Rating of 1. I personally doubt they'd do that, as even though Force and Destiny does assume that, the developers are not idiots, and they know that people will try to port the race to Edge or Age. They wouldn't make a race that requires a F&D career to use.

Just becauce a race is inherently Force Sensitive (as the Miraluka are), does not mean that thye "have to" start with a Force Sensitive career. They would simply start with a Force Rating of 1 as part of their Species characteristics. In the case of Miraluka, they should probably also start with the base Foresight for free as well. 

[Lareg 367]

We have not seen any race start with a Force Rating, it's actually a really big thing because it means that they can buy Force powers without delving in a specific career or universal spec like everybody else.

I think that the Miraluka, if we ever get them will get a somewhat reduced Farsight as racial trait and some pure fluff about them being ineherently connected to the Force and stop at that.

[Tramp Graphics 2,328]

We have not seen any race start with a Force Rating, it's actually a really big thing because it means that they can buy Force powers without delving in a specific career or universal spec like everybody else.

I think that the Miraluka, if we ever get them will get a somewhat reduced Farsight as racial trait and some pure fluff about them being ineherently connected to the Force and stop at that.

The only reason why they haven't done so yet is because none of the species they've released yet have been inherently Force Sensitive. Most species aren't. The Miraluka are one of only a very small handful of species that are inherently Force Sensitive.It should be noted that, The Ysanna and Witches of Dathomir both appear in Nexus of Power and are given inherent Force Rating 1. They're not PCs but still. 

[Blackbird888 4,110]

 

We have not seen any race start with a Force Rating, it's actually a really big thing because it means that they can buy Force powers without delving in a specific career or universal spec like everybody else.

I think that the Miraluka, if we ever get them will get a somewhat reduced Farsight as racial trait and some pure fluff about them being ineherently connected to the Force and stop at that.

The only reason why they haven't done so yet is because none of the species they've released yet have been inherently Force Sensitive. Most species aren't. The Miraluka are one of only a very small handful of species that are inherently Force Sensitive.It should be noted that, The Ysanna and Witches of Dathomir both appear in Nexus of Power and are given inherent Force Rating 1. They're not PCs but still. 

 

Iktotchi are in that handful, and they don't start with a Force rating; they just have a fancy new way to spend Triumph. There's an easy way to build a Miraluka without giving them a Force rating. Give them the basic Farsight ability, reduce its range to short, and say it's constantly active without having to spend Force points. The rest is just fluff and narrative.

 

It can be justified thus: Miraluka are Force-sensitive naturally, sure, but most don't train (especially during the time of the Empire). Miraluka characters with a Force rating are those that go through the effort to train and cultivate their abilities, as well as use them to a degree beyond what is the Miralukan norm.

[Tramp Graphics 2,328]

 

 

We have not seen any race start with a Force Rating, it's actually a really big thing because it means that they can buy Force powers without delving in a specific career or universal spec like everybody else.

I think that the Miraluka, if we ever get them will get a somewhat reduced Farsight as racial trait and some pure fluff about them being ineherently connected to the Force and stop at that.

The only reason why they haven't done so yet is because none of the species they've released yet have been inherently Force Sensitive. Most species aren't. The Miraluka are one of only a very small handful of species that are inherently Force Sensitive.It should be noted that, The Ysanna and Witches of Dathomir both appear in Nexus of Power and are given inherent Force Rating 1. They're not PCs but still. 

 

Iktotchi are in that handful, and they don't start with a Force rating; they just have a fancy new way to spend Triumph. There's an easy way to build a Miraluka without giving them a Force rating. Give them the basic Farsight ability, reduce its range to short, and say it's constantly active without having to spend Force points. The rest is just fluff and narrative.

 

It can be justified thus: Miraluka are Force-sensitive naturally, sure, but most don't train (especially during the time of the Empire). Miraluka characters with a Force rating are those that go through the effort to train and cultivate their abilities, as well as use them to a degree beyond what is the Miralukan norm.

 

You don't even need to reduce the range. Canonically, Miraluka's "Force Sight" allows them to "see" just as well as normal sighted people do. Thus, the range of their "sight" should be the same as normal vision. 

[Blackbird888 4,110]

I reduced the range simply so a Miraluka can still benefit from purchasing Farsight's basic ability.

[Tramp Graphics 2,328]

I reduced the range simply so a Miraluka can still benefit from purchasing Farsight's basic ability.

Well, that's just it. Miraluka shouldn't need to purchase the base ability because it is inherent to them. They should only need to purchase the upgrades. 

[Blackbird888 4,110]

And they do. A PC Miraluka with that ability has the ability to see even though they lack eyes, using the Force; the same is true for NPCs. A PC Miraluka with that ability that has also invested into Farsight has the ability to see even though they lack eyes; they've just trained their ability (represented by spending the required XP) beyond what is normal for the average Miraluka citizen.

[Kael 1,865]

Must this really turn into a discussion about the Miraluka and their Force sight (afterall they are likely not even in the book)? Like don't we have a ton of other threads where we've hashed this out to death? 

Edited August 12, 2016 by Kael

[Donovan Morningfire 10,200]

We have not seen any race start with a Force Rating, it's actually a really big thing because it means that they can buy Force powers without delving in a specific career or universal spec like everybody else.

I think that the Miraluka, if we ever get them will get a somewhat reduced Farsight as racial trait and some pure fluff about them being ineherently connected to the Force and stop at that.

Exactly.

 

Starting out with Force Rating 1 as a species ability may not be all that spectacular a benefit for the Force and Destiny line, but considering it's meant to be cross-compatible with AoR and EotE, in those game lines having FR1 for free is a HUGE perk, worth at least 20 XP (cost to purchase Force Exile or Force Emergent).

 

I think Blackbird888's got the right of it, in that if Miraluka do get an official write-up as a playable species, they'll most likely get a watered down version of Farsight and have to acquire a Force Rating the same any other PC would.

[Absol197 5,296]

So, turning this thread back towards Sentinels and such: My City. It's name is thematic and evocative for the setting they're using, but what does it actually do? Any thoughts or ideas?

My guess is that it'll be activated by taking an action and making a Streetwise check (maybe Knowledge (Underworld)), but what the kriff does it do? That I can't quite fathom. From the sound of things it'll be the narrative SigAb (Sig? SA? What is a good way to abbreviate that so we don't have to type out "Signature Ability" every single time?), meaning it can be much more fluid. But I still can't think of what it does!

Other than turn the user into "I'm Batman!" for 2 rounds. But FFG would never make something that broken, right?

[Rakaydos 4,236]

So, turning this thread back towards Sentinels and such: My City. It's name is thematic and evocative for the setting they're using, but what does it actually do? Any thoughts or ideas?

My guess is that it'll be activated by taking an action and making a Streetwise check (maybe Knowledge (Underworld)), but what the kriff does it do? That I can't quite fathom. From the sound of things it'll be the narrative SigAb (Sig? SA? What is a good way to abbreviate that so we don't have to type out "Signature Ability" every single time?), meaning it can be much more fluid. But I still can't think of what it does!

Other than turn the user into "I'm Batman!" for 2 rounds. But FFG would never make something that broken, right?

More like turn them into Daredevil for 2 rounds. It's like being batman, but doesnt require military industrial complex backing.

[Absol197 5,296]

Hmm, that could work. But I thought that Unmatched Foresight was the "I'm Daredevil!" Signature...Sig...SigAb...GAAAH >_< ! HOW DOES I ABBREVS.?!?

...

Ahem. I thought Unmatched Foresight was the one that turned you into Daredevil for 2 rounds...

Edited August 17, 2016 by Absol197

[Richardbuxton 7,319]

Hmm, that could work. But I thought that Unmatched Foresight was the "I'm Daredevil!" Signature...Sig...SigAb...GAAAH >_< ! HOW DOES I ABBREVS.?!?

...

Ahem. I thought Unmatched Foresight was the one that turned you into Daredevil for 2 rounds...

SA works.

 

My City may be relating to information gathering, or chase scenes, where they spend 2 DP to simply know where something is, how to get there etc.

 

or it could be more of a "My City... get off my lawn!!!" kind of ability that helps you deal with adversaries in some way, forcing them to leave the city and not return.

[Absol197 5,296]

Hmm, that could work. Sort of like Sudden Discovery, but for inside a city instead of in the wilds? And that's not even unprecedented, either: Fated Duel and This One is Mine are basically the same thing, just one's for personal scale and one's for vehicle scale. This could be the same thing, only environment-specific instead of scale-specific.

I like it! Rich, you've satisfied my ravenous curiosity for now, kudos!

EDIT: You do realize we've just been bouncing back and forth between the same two threads replying to each other for like the past fifteen minutes, right?

Edited August 17, 2016 by Absol197

[Decorus 672]

I'm pretty sure My City will give you benefits to athletics, coordination, stealth, streetwise and Knowledge underworld. Its your city so its easy for you to move around, find information and Be Batman.

[kaosoe 7,573]

I refer to them as SigAbils.

Edited August 17, 2016 by kaosoe

[Absol197 5,296]

SigAbils, that's...acceptable! Thank you so much, Kaosoe! That was driving me batty(-er)!