Endless Vigil A Sourcebook for Sentinels!!!

[Richardbuxton 7,319]

I hope you're happy, Marcy, we finally got a pretty one!

 

I'm fairly astonished that they gave us something playable after so long. But yeah, it's welcome.

 

Looking forward to your analysis, Phee!

"Something playable" ROFL.

[syrath 1,316]

The batman spec is going to have that dark conflict so im pretty sure it is going to be Sentry, and not a pilot spec

 

She could make a living as an aid worker and only wield a lightsaber under cover of darkness, or manage a crime syndicate that helps refugees survive by means of smuggled goods.

Sounds a bit darker than the description of the racer. You never know though.

I had missed that bit somehow. For the most part, the Sentry just sounded protective while the Racer sounded like they were meant to care less about morals at all. But, Sentry does seem more appropriate, and was what I was thinking before this preview. I'm curious either way. This book looks like it's going to be great 

 

Too bad I'm already three career books behind across the lines 

Im not so sure now, the racer is described as being not altruistic so it could be that one that has the dark talent, one thing's for sure is that I'll bet I'm not the only one keen to find out.

[Maelora 5,807]

"Something playable" ROFL.

 

It's an old argument Richard, but:

a) my players don't want to play anything that looks too weird 

b) our artist won't draw non-humanoid characters

c) our renderer cannot render non-humanoid characters (even a duros pretty much broke her computer)

d) all of the weird-looking species in the movies were mostly meant to be scenery, not speaking parts

e) all of the main protagonists in books, cartoons, movies, games and other media are human or humanoid - you get the odd sidekick or adversary who isn't but not a main hero 

 

Obviously this may not matter to others, YMMV as always.  What mostly rankles is the imbalance of humanoid races to exotics, and an increasing feel that FFG are scraping the barrel, or putting species in books that have nothing to do with the concept at hand (i.e Special Modifications). I highly doubt anyone was clamouring for playable Mustafarians. I have long advocated that if we get three species, they should be one human-like, one exotic and one iconic to the concept of that book, thus keeping everyone happy. 

 

I also believe we should get those with a high visibility in the media (Jawas, Miraluka, etc) over very obscure ones. More players will want to play something they've seen in a film (for more than a second) or something they've played in a game or that's been a major character in a comic, than something that had a one-second freeze-frame appearance in a subsequently-remastered movie. So for the humanoids, Zeltrons, Ubese, Miraluka, Rattataki, Echani, Sith Pureblood, Kiffar, Arkanians, etc.  A lot of people might want to play a character like Quinlan Vos or Delilah Blue.  For the non-humanoids, Jawas, Bith, Sandpeople, or whatever Yoda or Maz Kanata's species is.

Edited October 2, 2016 by Maelora

[Richardbuxton 7,319]

Oh I am aware your group particularly like the near human species, I just enjoyed the way in which you phrased it this time. I'm all for your "rule of 3" for the species too. I hope with the push from Disney for their new species to get written up, and with all the new movies coming out, that the barrel gets refilled so to speak.

[Maelora 5,807]

I don't think the new movie actually gave us much there, to be honest.  All the new lead characters are human. Chewie is back in his old sidekick role.  The only non-human character with any lines and a personality is Maz, and because she's a Yoda expy they won't tell us what species she is anyway.

 

That leaves us with the Abednedo, who already have a pregen character and are almost certainly coming soon, and whatever scenery aliens we saw in NotChalmunsCantina.  

[kaosoe 7,573]

The batman spec is [...]

Sentinel is the Batman Career.

 

Every spec (with possibly the exception of Shien) screams Batman

 

Edited October 2, 2016 by kaosoe

[Weedles and Fries 170]

I don't think the new movie actually gave us much there, to be honest. All the new lead characters are human. Chewie is back in his old sidekick role. The only non-human character with any lines and a personality is Maz, and because she's a Yoda expy they won't tell us what species she is anyway.

That leaves us with the Abednedo, who already have a pregen character and are almost certainly coming soon, and whatever scenery aliens we saw in NotChalmunsCantina.

I'm actually hoping for Crolutes as well as Bith for the Engineer book. Besides Maz, Unkar Plutt was really the only new alien with some sort of personality (no matter how one dimensional he may be). Edited October 2, 2016 by Weedles and Fries

[Maelora 5,807]

I'm actually hoping for Crolutes as well as Bith for the Engineer book. Besides Maz, Unkar Plutt was really the only new alien with some sort of personality (no matter how one dimensional he may be).

 

I'm pretty sure we'll see lots of stuff from the new movies - Disney are pushing hard for it.

 

It wouldn't greatly surprise me to see a new-movie-focused 2nd edition come in a year or two down the line...

[Absol197 5,296]

And that would make me sad . TFA was...not my favorite. I know I need to gives the new series some time to grow, but honestly? I liked TPM much better then TFA.

...

*Prepares to be violently verbally abused*

Edited October 2, 2016 by Absol197

[deraforia 169]

And that would make me sad . TFA was...not my favorite. I know I need to gives the new series sinned time to grow, but honestly? I liked TPM much better then TFA.

...

*Prepares to be violently verbally abused*

 

You... are... entitled to your opinion... 

 

Even if it is wrong.

[maverikid 15]

It is truly quite sad that when someone states their opinion on the internet, they fully expect to be mutilated for saying such a thing.

 

I really can see why you hate TFA Absol, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Like deraforia said "You are entitled to your opinion".

(I'll just ignore the small text.)

 

I'm happy to join the discussion about this book guys. So far I have been disappointed with how the Sentinel has been treated (many of the talents and lightsaber options are very underwhelming and usually leave me craving for other careers), so I'm happy they seem to be addressing these problems. Hopefully the Sentry can add some much needed more Parry and Reflect ranks.

Edited October 2, 2016 by maverikid

[TheTeaMustFlow 44]

And that would make me sad . TFA was...not my favorite. I know I need to gives the new series some time to grow, but honestly? I liked TPM much better then TFA.

...

*Prepares to be violently verbally abused*

 

Well, since you asked... 

[Kaigen 826]

And that would make me sad . TFA was...not my favorite. I know I need to gives the new series some time to grow, but honestly? I liked TPM much better then TFA.

...

*Prepares to be violently verbally abused*

 

There's a clinic for that:

[Maelora 5,807]

And that would make me sad . TFA was...not my favorite. I know I need to gives the new series some time to grow, but honestly? I liked TPM much better then TFA.

*Prepares to be violently verbally abused*

 

 

Actually I didn't mind Phantom Menace. It was an average movie - not what I wanted from a Star Wars sequel but not the atrocities that came later either.  I didn't see JarJar's antics as any worse than Threepio's or Finn's.  I could do without comic relief myself but I accept its place in the Pulp genre.   Plus, Liam Neeson, even if he was still at the 'my characters always die' stage of his career.

 

The next two abominations were really what killed my love for the franchise for the next decade.  And I will always be thankful to Spielberg that he didn't make a sequel to ET, so that at least part of my childhood innocence would remain untrammelled.

 

Force Awakens was like every other remake I've ever seen - it just made me pine for the original, and hammered home just how safe Disney wants to play it now.  I needed to take a look, after a decade, and having done that, I don't need to see anything else until the next trilogy.

Edited October 2, 2016 by Maelora

[The Shy Ion 502]

And that would make me sad . TFA was...not my favorite. I know I need to gives the new series some time to grow, but honestly? I liked TPM much better then TFA....*Prepares to be violently verbally abused*

I personally loved TFA, but I also liked the two prequels I've seen. (I'm watching through Clone Wars before I see the third.) I mean, TPM had Qui-Gon in it. I wasn't expecting to love Qui-Gon, but I did. Also, smol Padmé was amazing. But Qui-Gon was just the best. So much sneaky.

[Blackbird888 4,110]

The batman spec is going to have that dark conflict so im pretty sure it is going to be Sentry, and not a pilot spec

 

She could make a living as an aid worker and only wield a lightsaber under cover of darkness, or manage a crime syndicate that helps refugees survive by means of smuggled goods.

Sounds a bit darker than the description of the racer. You never know though.

 

From the announcement article, we have this descriptor:

 

Sentries take crime personally, meeting violence with violence and intimidation.

This was the biggest tip-off that Sentry will be the Conflict specialization.

[Shlambate 2,679]

 

Batman takes crime personally, meeting violence with violence and intimidation.

Fixed the article guys!

[deraforia 169]

The batman spec is going to have that dark conflict so im pretty sure it is going to be Sentry, and not a pilot spec

 

She could make a living as an aid worker and only wield a lightsaber under cover of darkness, or manage a crime syndicate that helps refugees survive by means of smuggled goods.

Sounds a bit darker than the description of the racer. You never know though.

From the announcement article, we have this descriptor:

 

Sentries take crime personally, meeting violence with violence and intimidation.

This was the biggest tip-off that Sentry will be the Conflict specialization.

Yeah, I guess that would be a pretty good indicator.

[Kael 1,865]

To be fair, pretty much the entire Sentinel career is Batman in one form or another. 

[Maelora 5,807]

Weirdly, our 'masked vigilante' character is a Guardian/Warden, and our Sentinel is very much a slinky James Bond villainess.  I agree that the Sentinel better represents the Batman, stealthy ninja type though.

 

I'm glad that one of the new specs will have Lightsaber stuff.  I'm a little disappointed that the Seeker book didn't have that. 

 

Trying to see early patterns here, perhaps the traditional Jedi specs will have two 'saber Specs and the non-Jedi ones only one?  

[Absol197 5,296]

Entirely possible. And, as that would also mean that the Mystic would then have only one lightsaber spec, leaving five open for mysterious, Mystic-y goodness, I would whole-heartily approve this pattern !

It'll all depend on what we get in the next book. Although I can see a potential problem already forming between this pattern and another assumption we've been making around here: if we assume that the Warrior will have a Juyo/Vaapad spec, then that would be a second lightsaber spec, and that would ruin the pattern.

Although, depending on how you interpret that, maybe it doesn't...

Arrgh, like I said, we'll have to wait and see .

[deraforia 169]

I'm honestly still not sure how I feel about non-form LS specs. I think I would have preferred if Armorer had stayed away from it.

 

I do still expect Warrior to have Form VII, and I don't think the pattern is New vs. Classic (or indeed that there needs to be a pattern). If anything, I think we can count on Combat-heavy careers to have an additional one, and Combat-light careers to not. Seeker and Sentinel don't fit easily into this pattern, but I would assume from the ones we have left that only Warrior will have another LS spec. Consular and Mystic I think will do more to focus purely on the Force.

[Blackbird888 4,110]

I believe when Order 66 covered Keeping the Peace, Max Brooks mentioned that the Guardian and the Warrior represent the two commonly seen Jedi character types we see on screen, I believe. He kind of caught himself and moved on.

 

I'm honestly still not sure how I feel about non-form LS specs. I think I would have preferred if Armorer had stayed away from it.

Keep in mind that the Armorer is heavily influenced by the Jensaarai (and possibly the Imperial Knights, but that's from the future!), which utilized lightsabers. I imagine they have their own style. Armorer is not exclusively them, mind, but it's there.

[deraforia 169]

Keep in mind that the Armorer is heavily influenced by the Jensaarai (and possibly the Imperial Knights, but that's from the future!), which utilized lightsabers. I imagine they have their own style. Armorer is not exclusively them, mind, but it's there.

 

I get that it's Jensaarai, and I love that we have a spec suited for Heavy Armor like the Jensaarai. I just feel like the lightsaber aspect can come from another spec. It is what it is, though, and I wouldn't be surprised if warrior gave us both Form VII and a non-form LS spec. It won't need a Conflict spec.

[Kael 1,865]

Form VII will likely be a Conflict spec.