Admiral Konstantine

[tgall 796]

This seems like FAQ material:

 

"As the start of each Status Phase, for each enemy ship at distance 1-5 of at least 2 friendly medium or large ships, you may increase or decrease that enemy ship's speed by 1, to a minimum of speed 1"

 

Sooooo could you bump a CR-90 to speed 5?

 

I would think not ... but maybe ... just maybe.

[Rhosaarc 92]

Good way to throw it off the board

Or at the very least, throw it out of range of shooting you or within range of getting shot

Personally, I'd rather slow enemy ships to a crawl then open fire with everything I've got. Can't wait for the Interdictor!

Edited June 28, 2016 by Rhosaarc

[Ardaedhel 10,844]

What would your maneuver table look like for that? How would you measure it with only a speed 4 template?

It's not clearly delineated on the card, but there's nothing to indicate the speed rules don't still apply:

RRG 11:

Each ship’s maximum speed is indicated on its speed

chart. If a ship does not have any yaw values in a speed

column, it cannot accelerate to that speed.

[Drasnighta 26,832]

Agreed.

Until you can show me how many clicks of yaw you have at Speed 5, you can't go it.

[tgall 796]

Yeah, it just seems odd they didn't cap max speed as being what that the ship can do by mentioning it as such on the card like they did for min speed.

 

Forcing a ship to go faster than it's designed for ... I mean it just feels like a weapon design. Likewise given the game mechanic to set down the rules in the ref and over ride those rules with various cards and such ...  why would speed be any different.

 

Anyway this just feels like FAQ material, specially for all the TOs out there. 

Edited June 28, 2016 by tgall

[Drasnighta 26,832]

I don't think its neccessary, because its solidly set here:

If a ship does not have any yaw values in a speed 
column, it cannot accelerate to that speed. 

 

 

It simply cannot accelerate to Speed 5, as there is no speed 5 column.  

 

There is no Speed 5 on the Speed Dial.  It is simply not possible.

 

Full Stop.

 

 

 

 

Hehe.  Full Stop.  Completely the opposite of what we're talking about.

[Lyraeus 4,759]

Yup. It was not necessary to cap the speed because if it is not on your chart you can increase to there. Speed 0 is the I lys exception because it is outlined in the rules.

[tgall 796]

I don't think its neccessary, because its solidly set here:

If a ship does not have any yaw values in a speed 

column, it cannot accelerate to that speed. 

 

 

It simply cannot accelerate to Speed 5, as there is no speed 5 column.  

 

There is no Speed 5 on the Speed Dial.  It is simply not possible.

 

Full Stop.

 

 

 

 

Hehe.  Full Stop.  Completely the opposite of what we're talking about.

 

Lol. Good one!

 

Consider Demolisher. With ET it goes speed 4 yet it has no speed 4. Yes yes yes I know it's a speed 1 move afterwards. 

 

Still, we are in complete violent agreement with each other on this one!  But this still feels like FAQ material.

[Drasnighta 26,832]

 

I don't think its neccessary, because its solidly set here:

If a ship does not have any yaw values in a speed 

column, it cannot accelerate to that speed. 

 

 

It simply cannot accelerate to Speed 5, as there is no speed 5 column.  

 

There is no Speed 5 on the Speed Dial.  It is simply not possible.

 

Full Stop.

 

 

 

 

Hehe.  Full Stop.  Completely the opposite of what we're talking about.

 

Lol. Good one!

 

Consider Demolisher. With ET it goes speed 4 yet it has no speed 4. Yes yes yes I know it's a speed 1 move afterwards. 

 

Still, we are in complete violent agreement with each other on this one!  But this still feels like FAQ material.

 

 

As you said, it does not go Speed 4..  It goes Speed 3, then Speed 1.

If it went Speed 4, then you could potentially leapfrog things, and you wouldn't "double ram"...

 

Same as a Corvette going Speed 4 with Engine Techs.  It doesn't do a Speed 5 Maneuver, it goes Speed 4, then Speed 1.......

 

 

This is an FAQ question that is settled by simply reading the rules as the rules are presented...  Not extrapolating additional rules...  If the rules implied somewhat that you could go faster...  that you could be forced to go faster, then yes, FAQ it...

 

We shouldn't need an FAQ to answer every little thing...

 

Even FFG States that in their own Rules Questions link!

If you can't answer someting based on the Rulebook...

 

Then come here for an answer...

 

If its still not answered here, then it becomes FAQ Feedback Material....

 

And I think if enough of a Consensus can be reached here on a lot of material to not require an FAQ, then it shouldn't be bothered with asking for it.

[Lyraeus 4,759]

I don't think its neccessary, because its solidly set here:If a ship does not have any yaw values in a speed column, it cannot accelerate to that speed. 

 

 

It simply cannot accelerate to Speed 5, as there is no speed 5 column.  

 

There is no Speed 5 on the Speed Dial.  It is simply not possible.

 

Full Stop.

 

 

 

 

Hehe.  Full Stop.  Completely the opposite of what we're talking about.

 

Lol. Good one!

 

Consider Demolisher. With ET it goes speed 4 yet it has no speed 4. Yes yes yes I know it's a speed 1 move afterwards. 

 

Still, we are in complete violent agreement with each other on this one!  But this still feels like FAQ material.

 

As you said, it does not go Speed 4..  It goes Speed 3, then Speed 1.

If it went Speed 4, then you could potentially leapfrog things, and you wouldn't "double ram"...

 

Same as a Corvette going Speed 4 with Engine Techs.  It doesn't do a Speed 5 Maneuver, it goes Speed 4, then Speed 1.......

 

 

This is an FAQ question that is settled by simply reading the rules as the rules are presented...  Not extrapolating additional rules...  If the rules implied somewhat that you could go faster...  that you could be forced to go faster, then yes, FAQ it...

 

We shouldn't need an FAQ to answer every little thing...

 

Even FFG States that in their own Rules Questions link!

If you can't answer someting based on the Rulebook...

 

Then come here for an answer...

 

If its still not answered here, then it becomes FAQ Feedback Material....

 

And I think if enough of a Consensus can be reached here on a lot of material to not require an FAQ, then it shouldn't be bothered with asking for it.

Sometimes I think people just ask 's or debate things to get a FAQ

[Snipafist 7,541]

Sometimes I think people just ask or debate things to feel clever, even though it's clear that they're in the wrong once the rules reference guide is invoked or basic things like component restrictions (speed 5 is not a speed a ship can be set to, period; nor can a maneuver tool accommodate speed 5) are brought up. And then they get into fights with Dras because they're determined to carry this smugness on for as long as they can and it basically drives Dras insane because he just wants people to play by the rules already.

[Drasnighta 26,832]

No Big Deal, especially in this case...  

And its not as bad here as it was elsewhere, just recently...

I'm going to Spoiler it, because its a long, irrelevant Rant.

 

 

 

 

There was somewhat of a scuffle on some Classic BattleTech Forums that I frequent (although I was not involved in it), because essentially - someone was making rules discussions threads, as well as 'Mech Designs, and then commenting on other peoples designs with suggestions that were...  Outlandish, shall we say.  That made no sense.

 

It turns out, that this person in question was using a copy of the BattleTech Master Rules...  That was something like 3 Editions and Ten Years out of Date, as they had deliberately decided to not pay to keep up to date with the Rules...

 

Now, in their own house, within their gaming group, if that's what they decide to do, that's what they decide to do...  I don't have a problem with that whatsoever...  But unfortunately, when you get to a common environment of gaming - such as the Internet - then there must either be a common point of rules used, or, there must be a statement of your position of the rules.

 

Now, this person had caused and started all of these issues, and never once let anyone know - and reacted with hostility when he was told he was "Wrong" for mis-quoting Rules...    That's not what I want here at all... I don't want people to not speak up, or not question, or not decide...
 

 

 

I don't want to choke rules discussion here at all...  But I think, more than anything else, I want us to become a robust community who are able to solve the majority of our problems without having to resort to asking the Rules Designers for rulings on what may be Trivial matters...

 

...  There are certainly some things that require it.  But I also know that there are questions that have been asked, that have been yet to be answered  - and in my case, since November...  The more requests we make, the slower the process becomes... 

 

I suspend my ego here as much as I can...  I do get things wrong.  I'm happy when I get things wrong...  I joke about it, too...  (Man, I wanted to love those MS-1's SOOOO MUCH....)   And I think I flipped on Instigator about a zillion times...

 

But as much as I respect people on here, for having their opinions, I also know that respect is not returned often - sometimes by me as well - but I have numerous cases of literal abuse that has been delivered to me, for the simple act of me trying to bring a little order to the rules forum at times...  Because, well, we are talking about "Law" here in the abstract sense.  The Rules are a form of Law.  

There are some rules that I think are absolutely Stupid.  But I'd challenge people to try to point out those rules - Because I don't bring them up.  My personal feelings on the rules is irrelevant in a Rules Discussion...  Because they're the Rules...  

So I guess I'm rambling, but despite the Written Abuse, despite the jokes about the way I type, the way I emphasise things, despite the hostility I, and others, can be subjected to...  I only hope we continue to grow as a community  -  That we mature in such a way as we can solve a bunch of things on our own and move the game forward - giving the designers their chance to design...

 

[Lyraeus 4,759]

I got you Dras. Due to today's reveal of the Interdictor I have been considering Ion Cannon Batteries again.

[thecactusman17 3,192]

Konstantine plus Grav Well and Fleet Ambush. Set to negative 1.

Now we need an FAQ lol

[Amanal 2,557]

 

Sometimes I think people just ask 's or debate things to get a FAQ

 

 

<jovial banter mode>

Says the man with an entire thread or two about the merits of stacking ships during deployment.

 

Oh, pot they art indeed black, with kind regards. Kettle.

 

And I seem to recall that you were pretty chuffed that you had it noted in the FAQ.

 

Does any one still have the photographs?

<jovial banter mode/>

[Lyraeus 4,759]

Sometimes I think people just ask 's or debate things to get a FAQ

 

<jovial banter mode>

Says the man with an entire thread or two about the merits of stacking ships during deployment.

 

Oh, pot they art indeed black, with kind regards. Kettle.

 

And I seem to recall that you were pretty chuffed that you had it noted in the FAQ.

 

Does any one still have the photographs?

<jovial banter mode/>

Hahahaha I know right! Wow, what a fool I have been. Guess what though! It made it into the FAQ! Which means it was an actual legitimate concern to a degree becuase there was an actual grey area. It took nothing put of context because nothing was there.

Otherwise than that, it is fun to look at that thread and be reminded how silly I have been.

[Amanal 2,557]

 

 

Sometimes I think people just ask 's or debate things to get a FAQ

 

<jovial banter mode>

Says the man with an entire thread or two about the merits of stacking ships during deployment.

 

Oh, pot they art indeed black, with kind regards. Kettle.

 

And I seem to recall that you were pretty chuffed that you had it noted in the FAQ.

 

Does any one still have the photographs?

<jovial banter mode/>

Hahahaha I know right! Wow, what a fool I have been. Guess what though! It made it into the FAQ! Which means it was an actual legitimate concern to a degree becuase there was an actual grey area. It took nothing put of context because nothing was there.

Otherwise than that, it is fun to look at that thread and be reminded how silly I have been.

 

 

You don't have to go that far back.

 

Love ya work my friend.

[Lyraeus 4,759]

Sometimes I think people just ask 's or debate things to get a FAQ

 

<jovial banter mode>

Says the man with an entire thread or two about the merits of stacking ships during deployment.

 

Oh, pot they art indeed black, with kind regards. Kettle.

 

And I seem to recall that you were pretty chuffed that you had it noted in the FAQ.

 

Does any one still have the photographs?

<jovial banter mode/>

Hahahaha I know right! Wow, what a fool I have been. Guess what though! It made it into the FAQ! Which means it was an actual legitimate concern to a degree becuase there was an actual grey area. It took nothing put of context because nothing was there.

Otherwise than that, it is fun to look at that thread and be reminded how silly I have been.

 

You don't have to go that far back.

 

Love ya work my friend.

So very droll. . . I am just going to go in a corner and not speak anymore. . .

Oh yea, here is a link to Inty Rules's parody of my thread. Sadly photo bucket is down so the pictures of DiabloAzul's masterpieces are not showing up. You could likely message him for the originals.

https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/185215-overlapping-in-the-setup-the-parody/

On a note to this. . . I don't think I have been that silly recently. . . but then again I do post threads to vent and ask advice. . . On the Internet no less. . . Now that I think about it, yea, extremely silly.

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

 

 

So very droll. . . I am just going to go in a corner and not speak anymore. . .

You know the new Wave 4 previews are out when nobody catches this...

 

I mean, like that is EVER going to happen.

[Lyraeus 4,759]

So very droll. . . I am just going to go in a corner and not speak anymore. . .

You know the new Wave 4 previews are out when nobody catches this...

 

I mean, like that is EVER going to happen.

You would be surprised. I am dealing with some stuff in my area based on my Discussion Time thread about opponents not wanting to to play a person. Really down atm. The only thing keeping me going here is the Wave 4 review. It helps me take my mind off things.

[Amanal 2,557]

 

 

 

 

So very droll. . . I am just going to go in a corner and not speak anymore. . .

You know the new Wave 4 previews are out when nobody catches this...

 

I mean, like that is EVER going to happen.

You would be surprised. I am dealing with some stuff in my area based on my Discussion Time thread about opponents not wanting to to play a person. Really down atm. The only thing keeping me going here is the Wave 4 review. It helps me take my mind off things.

 

 

Didn't realise, sorry for the upset, wasn't intended.

[Madaghmire 7,276]

3 is the speed thou shalt go. Thou shalt not go to 4, and thou shalt not go to 2, unless thou then proceeds to 3.

5 is right out.