Decision time for the United Kingdom tomorrow.

[Biophysical 15,761]

 

 

 

Enforcement is the threat of force. I'm not saying there aren't challenges with consequences so dire that the threat of force is an illegitimate option, but we have to be honest. The purpose of a unifying world government would be to threaten violence to make people do things against their will, and it would do that on a larger scale than has ever been seen before.

The other option is here: http://m.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/too-hot-to-live-grim-longterm-prediction-20100510-uoqw.html

I don't disagree that there some truly frightening downsides to a single governing body(or binding agreements so strong that it may as well be a single government). I am saying that the alternative is the end of modern civilization. And once we've burned all the accessible oil there will be no restarting the industrial revolution. It'll just be the end.

I get the importance of managing climate change, really, but I'm not sure why it's a "unified world government is the only solution" situation. At least not yet. If any issues did necessitate it, the global environment and asteroid impact threat would pretty much be the ones.

The completely unnecessary deaths of millions starving each year or never receiving an education seem important to me as well.

If we had a system of laws that forced the government to intervene in terrible situations many of them would be fixed before they ever became an issue.

Remember all those Muslims, atheists and homosexuals that Sally Kern had killed? Me neither. Without the Feds people like her would have more power to do what they want. Her counterparts in the third world are busily committing atrocities that she only dreams about.

 

 

Even with all the bad things you can avoid, at some point, you're basically just going in with guns and telling people that they have to live a different way than they do.  Now, there's lots of oppressed religions, creeds, ethnic minorities, genders, etc, that would love for someone to come into their corner of the world and make the bad people stop doing the bad things, but at that point you're basically advocating the Bush Doctrine (albeit more competently managed).  

[McFoy 672]

One world government won't happen. Humans need Us & Them. Multiple countries mean multiple Thems. If you somehow established a One World Government then you better hope aliens roll around otherwise the only Them is the the government or other members of the citizenry.

[TasteTheRainbow 8,726]

One world government won't happen. Humans need Us & Them. Multiple countries mean multiple Thems. If you somehow established a One World Government then you better hope aliens roll around otherwise the only Them is the the government or other members of the citizenry.

You know Musk is landing on Mars around 2018, right?

[Admiral Deathrain 5,232]

One world government won't happen. Humans need Us & Them. Multiple countries mean multiple Thems. If you somehow established a One World Government then you better hope aliens roll around otherwise the only Them is the the government or other members of the citizenry.

It will happen, but not anywhere near our lifetimes or even that of our grandchildren. At some point the planet will be too much of a challenge for any individual nation to takle. Conditions will only grow worse, regardless of wether climate change is man made or not. Incidentaly, I dearly hope we recognize the need for a backup human population on Mars while we still have the means to establish it. Earth is so vulnerable that national matters should seem tiny and irrelevant. But that is just not "real" enough to scare people the way it should.

[McFoy 672]

 

One world government won't happen. Humans need Us & Them. Multiple countries mean multiple Thems. If you somehow established a One World Government then you better hope aliens roll around otherwise the only Them is the the government or other members of the citizenry.

You know Musk is landing on Mars around 2018, right?

 

[banjobenito 1,393]

Totally gutted by this result, but I also understand why it happened, I think.

 

The working class has been totally alienated from political power for a generation now, and the politics of austerity have driven people into homelessness, suicide and mental illness. A lot of the country was basically asset stripped in the 80s and is full of furious disenfranchised people. They are fu**ing livid with the political class.

 

Now along comes a chance to put the boot into that political class, and as they scream that it's madness, that it'll threaten stock valuation, that house prices will plummet, the disenfranchised voter thinks 'well, what's wrong with that? I'm screwed anyway, so why not join me?'

 

On top of that you have the power of nationalism, that last refuge of scoundrels. Our media has been drip-feeding us horror stories about the EU for two decades now, stories that more often than not turn out to be totally bogus.

Finally, big numbers of immigration to alread-depressed areas has threatened job security and driven wages down - immigration done right is a social boon, but done wrong it can divide communities and offer a red rag to nationalists.

 

And here we are, 12 hours after committing one of the greatest nose-cutting-face-spiting acts in our history. Down the river with nothing but a farage for a paddle. Dark days ahead.

[FTS Gecko 24,135]

This, basically, is who the British public have put their trust in.

 

This is the figurehead of an Independent Britain.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St8i7DJ9Qjk

 

And - sadly - this is not a joke.

[Robin Graves 6,054]

I'm hearing there's a call for a second referendum: Basically a redo of this one, becuz weasel ferrage lied to everybody.

That 350 mil a week going to Healthcare? Yeah, not gonna happen.

[FTS Gecko 24,135]

Farage?  A liar?  Well slap my rear and call me Charlie.

 

The problem with the idea of another referendum is where does it end, Robin?  Do we keep having them until we get the "right" result?  It saddens me, but we've made our bed and now we've got to lie in it unfortunately.

 

Besides, I think you're overestimating just how many of the British voting population actually paid any attention to the remain/leave campaigns in the first place.  More decisions will likely have been determined by drunken pub conversations than by the following of the politics involved.

 

When you spend all week hearing youngsters just of voting age who are questioning what to do or who don't understand the discussion being told "don't vote then" or "vote leave, it's what we're doing", then you start to really question the entire process..

[Robin Graves 6,054]

[Hobojebus 11,341]

See it's all part of my grand plan in a few year humanity will beg for my cruel dictatorship when they see the folly of democracy Muwhahahahahahahahaha.

[Velvetelvis 3,739]

What if told you that the problems can be solved without pointing the guns of government at people based on the whims and opinions of voters?

[TasteTheRainbow 8,726]

Calling Farage a liar assumes he had any idea what was true when the statement was made. Seems like a stretch.

[Robin Graves 6,054]

Calling Farage a liar assumes he had any idea what was true when the statement was made. Seems like a stretch.

 

It's a sore spot for me when politicos promise something and then don't deliver. I know that's pretty much "buisness as usual" but in this case... It's such a monumental decision and it's not even been 24 hours since the vote before he had to come back on his words. Geeez!

 

Also the guy looks like a Sir Humphry Applebee if sir Humphry was a shady used car salesman.

[TasteTheRainbow 8,726]

What if told you that the problems can be solved without pointing the guns of government at people based on the whims and opinions of voters?

Name one. We'll go back and forth with things that only government can solve and things that can be solved without it.

1.) Smallpox

[Robin Graves 6,054]

[Scopes 530]

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've always believed, at sort of a gut level, that the world is on its way to being a better place. Every once in awhile that instinct takes a little hit. What an awful move. If the UK can become this xenophobic at current refugee levels, imagine how bad things will get in a few decades when we're pushing 4C warming and global refugee pop has increased by an order of magnitude.

I am genuinely concerned about western civilization.

Already rumours flying about other countries leaving the EU.

We're never gonna have a single world governement are we?

We will eventually. This just set it back decades/centuries.

I am not convinced it will ever happen, or that it should happen.

We have the kinds of problems now that cannot be solved by individual countries. And they are multiplying.

What does a unifying government give you over individual cooperating countries other than the threat of force?

Enforcement. The only reason anyone in the flyover states doesn't still deal with burning rivers and heavy smog is federal regs and federal courts.

 

Flint, Michigan may want a word with you...

[Scopes 530]

I'm so, so sorry guys.   I hope we don't make a similar mistake in a few months and elect Donald Trump.

 

If not Trump, then who? Can you categorically give me a reason (or reasons) not to have him elected? What makes Sanders or Clinton (and let's be frank, the system is rigged for her) a better choice? 

[Scopes 530]

F

Funny a pic of him should show up here. Fitting, I suppose, given some of the opinions I've read.

[WingedSpider 1,266]

Relevant: The cover of next week's New Yorker

 

[Scopes 530]

Remember the date, people: 24th June 2016 - a victory for myopia.

I gather the Northwestern Territories are looking for people to go and live there. Can anyone confirm / offer advice?

 

You speak of myopia. I want to understand why you feel the way you do. 

 

So, advocating for a system that requires a minimum banana length (among other things regarding the selling of bananas) isn't over the top and unnecessary? How much of your life do you want regulated by a third party? EU rules such as Commission Regulation (EC) No. 2257/94, which I'm sure all of you guys that are for Britain staying in the EU are familiar with, micromanages your lives at a level that even religious institutions would never dream of. 

 

I just want to understand...

[TasteTheRainbow 8,726]

I'm so, so sorry guys. I hope we don't make a similar mistake in a few months and elect Donald Trump.

If not Trump, then who? Can you categorically give me a reason (or reasons) not to have him elected? What makes Sanders or Clinton (and let's be frank, the system is rigged for her) a better choice?

Climate policy. Trump is destruction on a scale we have never witnessed. Edited June 25, 2016 by TasteTheRainbow

[TasteTheRainbow 8,726]

Remember the date, people: 24th June 2016 - a victory for myopia.

I gather the Northwestern Territories are looking for people to go and live there. Can anyone confirm / offer advice?

You speak of myopia. I want to understand why you feel the way you do.

So, advocating for a system that requires a minimum banana length (among other things regarding the selling of bananas) isn't over the top and unnecessary? How much of your life do you want regulated by a third party? EU rules such as Commission Regulation (EC) No. 2257/94, which I'm sure all of you guys that are for Britain staying in the EU are familiar with, micromanages your lives at a level that even religious institutions would never dream of.

I just want to understand...

Bananas below a certain length are going to have a vanishingly small portion of actual food in them. We regulate all kinds of food for all kinds of reasons that sound silly at a first glance. Usually it's because not having the regulation allowed producers to abuse retailers or consumers.

This childish "I read a short summary of a law and now I know better than the actual experts in this field" point of view is not something to be proud of.

Oh look: Took about 3 minutes to learn enough about the EU banana regs to know that you are in the wrong to think this law is an overstep. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/11/boris-johnson-launches-the-vote-leave-battlebus-in-cornwall

shock

Edited June 25, 2016 by TasteTheRainbow

[mazz0 2,910]

See it's all part of my grand plan in a few year humanity will beg for my cruel dictatorship when they see the folly of democracy Muwhahahahahahahahaha.

I suspect a world run by people who play X-Wing for fun, rather than people who run banks, companies or governments for fun*, would be a better place.

Of course, you've demonstrated your own unsuitability be expressing the desire to do so. As a wise man once said:

"It is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job."

*anyone else extremely turned off by the stories of how Cameron and Johnson both expressed the desire to enter politics and rule the country from their time at school, and went through with it? Quite clearly obsessed with power or find it a fun game to play, rather than being people who see something wrong with the world and want to improve it.

[Velvetelvis 3,739]

My favorite part is how " what is the EU" became the second most googled search term from the UK an hour after the vote.

If so many people who live there don't really know what the EU even is than I am 100% certain the EU is not important.