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Well if you base it off of Starwars : Starfighter game, it is a solid ship, has a boost, and feels quite maneuverable. If you compare it to the other ships. 

 

In Rogue Squadron is has the feel of the Tie Interceptor, in both speed and maneuverability,

 

That said, both games are highly arcade like, but thats not to say we cant consider it to be "cannon". It is safe to assume the Naboo Government Military upgraded these ships capability soon after the battle of Naboo, as well as increase the number of craft they have access too, hence the N1 Bomber Variation I brought up earlier in this topic. And N1 Advanced Craft.

 

If you are questioning the reason that they would bother upgrading the ship, The Battle of Naboo would have pointed out massive limitations in a massive battle, the surviving pilots would have given a ton of feedback and then there is always the pilots themselves making changes to there own personal craft to make it more suitable to there own piloting skills and roles.

 

There is no reason to not release a SubFaction for Naboo Craft.

It's very dangerous to use video games as a source of canon. Going by X-Wing, a single A-Wing can destroy an unlimited number of Star Destroyers with blasters only because it can easily evade turbolasers and the game mechanics allow the fighters to recharge shields while capital ships cannot. The Rogue series would have you believe that an A-Wing can crack the hull of a Star Destroyer just as easily as a B-Wing simply because the game mechanics allow you to pick and choose which fighter you can use for any mission.

 

I mean there's a 1968 Buick in there as well. In any case, all those games were given a lower level of canonicity even before Disney took over.

 

Maybe you could check my math for me...

 

G= 9.81 m/s each second

A-wing Maximum acceleration = 5,100 G

9.81 * 5100 = 50,031

LS = 299 792 458 m/s

299792458 / 50031 = 5992.13 

5990.16/60 = 99.87 minutes

1.6645 hours for an A-wing to get to lightspeed.

Er things don't work like that, it will have a speed cap, and the acceleration will get lower and lower exponentially as it approaches that cap. Hyperspace is space folding which is entirely different. It's only the Max Acceleration, not the Acceleration at all speeds... It's like a car might do 0-60 is a certain time, but can't do 0-360 miles/hour in 6x the time.

 

It amazes me how you often talk like you know something when you are so completely wrong:

 

1) "The hyperdrive was a type of propulsion system that allowed a starship to enter light-speed and traverse the void between stars in the alternate dimension of hyperspace" - It's an alternate dimension not "space folding."

 

2) You don't factor in friction or gravity in open space, so your car analogy isn't relevant.

That math doesn't take into account special relativity. As the A-Wing goes faster, the amount of energy it takes to increase its speed goes up. Going to the speed of light would theoretically require an infinite amount of energy for any particle to accomplish. That 5,100 G is the maximum acceleration; the acceleration that the A-Wing can have under the best circumstances. If you don't have it falling towards a black hole or some other gravity well (i.e. in deep space) then that maximum acceleration would usually be at a standstill and would decrease as speed increased. However, there are engines that are designed to be more efficient at certain speeds (ramjets for example). Regardless of this, the energy curve of high velocity would make such things moot.

It only goes at the speed of light in hyperspace, not in the normal dimension. We don't know what the laws of physics are there. Even a Bussard ramjet isn't going to get a spaceship faster than light.

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The book says it can carry the fighters through hyperspace, entering and exiting which seem to involve acceleration and decceleration.

 

What book?  If we have a canon source then fine, I was just going by that picture which seemed to suggest they had their own hyperdrives and only connected for recharging.

:rolleyes:

 

In the book in your picture.

 

"Previously, Naboo N-1 fighters operating far from home could only travel in small steps, accompanied by a tanker" Clearly it's no longer the case:

"(...) thereby enabling the ship to carry it's own escort through hyperspace"

 

I took that as meaning by refuelling them between jumps.  It does the job of the tanker.

"previously [they] could only travel in small steps" "innovative recharge sockets" "carry it's own escort through hyperspace"
 

Sounds like a metaphorical carry, meaning support.  "Recharge sockets", not "docking clamps".

 

And as you quote - they could travel in smalls steps, as in jump to a nearby system, recharge, jump on, etc.  Now they can jump in the direction they want to go, charge in deep space thanks to their escort, and thus take a faster, more direct route.

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Getting back from this hyperspace tangent to the hyperdrive, I don't think a ship need to reach the speed of light

in real space or hyperspace with any effort involved, they jump into hyperspace with any momentum

and they move like tachyon in their natural states, they naturally move faster than the speed of light.

So if normal non-tachyon physics don't apply then the connection the N1s have to the "carrier" doesn't matter,

as long as they are connected. That's how I see it anyway.

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The N1 should be in X-Wing with Gavyn Sykes, Shara Bey, and Leia Organa. With one generic at PS4. Why?

N1s only saw mobilization again after the Battle of Endor. The only ones who can still fly these high performance craft that, in the right hands have no trouble taking on TIE Fighters, as a testament to how far ahead they actually were, are people who really know how this thing moves but miiiiiiiiight be a bit rusty after over thirty years of not flying them around.
 

Alternatively they can just be "Royal Escort"

Following the end of the Galactic Civil War, Leia Organa had assigned the pilots of her escort group to the venerable N1 starfighter.

 

She'd totally do it.

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Maybe you could check my math for me...

 

G= 9.81 m/s each second

A-wing Maximum acceleration = 5,100 G

9.81 * 5100 = 50,031

LS = 299 792 458 m/s

299792458 / 50031 = 5992.13 

5990.16/60 = 99.87 minutes

1.6645 hours for an A-wing to get to lightspeed.

Er things don't work like that, it will have a speed cap, and the acceleration will get lower and lower exponentially as it approaches that cap. Hyperspace is space folding which is entirely different. It's only the Max Acceleration, not the Acceleration at all speeds... It's like a car might do 0-60 is a certain time, but can't do 0-360 miles/hour in 6x the time.

 

 

It amazes me how you often talk like you know something when you are so completely wrong:

 

1) "The hyperdrive was a type of propulsion system that allowed a starship to enter light-speed and traverse the void between stars in the alternate dimension of hyperspace" - It's an alternate dimension not "space folding."

 

 

ER.. that still doesn't change the fact that we see things make the hyperspace jump multiple times in the movie and they NEVER accelerate up to light speed. So WHAT THE HELL does your formula, which is wrong anyway because you are quoting max acceleration as if it relates to a straight line acceleration graph, rather than just being the peek, have to do with anything. IT IS OBVIOUS that the jump in and out of Hyperspace has nothing to do with the actual speed of the ship. You see Jump Rings doing it from stationary. You see the Falcon doing it moving. The likely thing is you come out with the momentum you went in with. As I'm pretty sure the Jump Ring jumps shown come out with no momentum.

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• literal carry

• figurative carry

ER.. that still doesn't change the fact that we see things make the hyperspace jump multiple times in the movie and they NEVER accelerate up to light speed. So WHAT THE HELL does your formula, which is wrong anyway because you are quoting max acceleration as if it relates to a straight line acceleration graph, rather than just being the peek, have to do with anything. IT IS OBVIOUS that the jump in and out of Hyperspace has nothing to do with the actual speed of the ship. You see Jump Rings doing it from stationary. You see the Falcon doing it moving. The likely thing is you come out with the momentum you went in with. As I'm pretty sure the Jump Ring jumps shown come out with no momentum.

 

If I didn't know who you are I'd think your using a trolling-sockpuppet account.

  The math was sarcastic to make the same point you made with the jump rings. All of the posts about the J-Type Diplomatic Barge being used as a "carrier" (on a flimsy connection) for the N1s through hyperspace seem to have gone over your head, or you've simply ignore them you can continue ranting.

 

  If the J-type Diplomatic Barge didn't have a hyperdrive and used a jump ring, from stand still, I would expect the N1s connected at the time would jump along with it, without having to reach the speed of light in normal space. Now that I've completed the tangent loop by including your jump ring idea to make my point, I hope you don't make the mistake of starting an argument with yourself about it.

 

"...enabling the ship to carry its own security escort through hyperspace."

The discussion was about whether this was a literal carry or figurative carry.

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Maybe you could check my math for me...

 

G= 9.81 m/s each second

A-wing Maximum acceleration = 5,100 G

9.81 * 5100 = 50,031

LS = 299 792 458 m/s

299792458 / 50031 = 5992.13 

5990.16/60 = 99.87 minutes

1.6645 hours for an A-wing to get to lightspeed.

Er things don't work like that, it will have a speed cap, and the acceleration will get lower and lower exponentially as it approaches that cap. Hyperspace is space folding which is entirely different. It's only the Max Acceleration, not the Acceleration at all speeds... It's like a car might do 0-60 is a certain time, but can't do 0-360 miles/hour in 6x the time.

 

 

It amazes me how you often talk like you know something when you are so completely wrong:

 

1) "The hyperdrive was a type of propulsion system that allowed a starship to enter light-speed and traverse the void between stars in the alternate dimension of hyperspace" - It's an alternate dimension not "space folding."

 

 

ER.. that still doesn't change the fact that we see things make the hyperspace jump multiple times in the movie and they NEVER accelerate up to light speed. So WHAT THE HELL does your formula, which is wrong anyway because you are quoting max acceleration as if it relates to a straight line acceleration graph, rather than just being the peek, have to do with anything. IT IS OBVIOUS that the jump in and out of Hyperspace has nothing to do with the actual speed of the ship. You see Jump Rings doing it from stationary. You see the Falcon doing it moving. The likely thing is you come out with the momentum you went in with. As I'm pretty sure the Jump Ring jumps shown come out with no momentum.

 

If that were true the Falcon would have made itself stationary before jumping to SKB.  The issue you have there would be working out your velocity relative to a planet thousands of lightyears away, of course.

 

This is the wrong direction of thinking for Star Wars though, it's all about looking cool, and ships connected that way for carrying look stupid, in my opinion.

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Maybe you could check my math for me...

 

G= 9.81 m/s each second

A-wing Maximum acceleration = 5,100 G

9.81 * 5100 = 50,031

LS = 299 792 458 m/s

299792458 / 50031 = 5992.13 

5990.16/60 = 99.87 minutes

1.6645 hours for an A-wing to get to lightspeed.

Er things don't work like that, it will have a speed cap, and the acceleration will get lower and lower exponentially as it approaches that cap. Hyperspace is space folding which is entirely different. It's only the Max Acceleration, not the Acceleration at all speeds... It's like a car might do 0-60 is a certain time, but can't do 0-360 miles/hour in 6x the time.

 

It amazes me how you often talk like you know something when you are so completely wrong:

 

1) "The hyperdrive was a type of propulsion system that allowed a starship to enter light-speed and traverse the void between stars in the alternate dimension of hyperspace" - It's an alternate dimension not "space folding."

 

ER.. that still doesn't change the fact that we see things make the hyperspace jump multiple times in the movie and they NEVER accelerate up to light speed. So WHAT THE HELL does your formula, which is wrong anyway because you are quoting max acceleration as if it relates to a straight line acceleration graph, rather than just being the peek, have to do with anything. IT IS OBVIOUS that the jump in and out of Hyperspace has nothing to do with the actual speed of the ship. You see Jump Rings doing it from stationary. You see the Falcon doing it moving. The likely thing is you come out with the momentum you went in with. As I'm pretty sure the Jump Ring jumps shown come out with no momentum.

 

If that were true the Falcon would have made itself stationary before jumping to SKB.  The issue you have there would be working out your velocity relative to a planet thousands of lightyears away, of course.

 

This is the wrong direction of thinking for Star Wars though, it's all about looking cool, and ships connected that way for carrying look stupid, in my opinion.

Could be that different Hyperdrives work differently, maybe the Falcon needs some kind of jump start (IE to be going a certain speed) to cross the thresh-hold.

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Could be that different Hyperdrives work differently, maybe the Falcon needs some kind of jump start (IE to be going a certain speed) to cross the thresh-hold.

 

Yeah, I think it's just Rule of Cool, myself! :P

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I'd like to see the N1 be the rebel equivilant of the Tie Striker- a small, fast craft that cannot slow down. It should focus on "Boon and zoom" more than "Turn and burn"- That is, it takes a turn or two out of range to build up buffs/tokens, runs through the enemy to get a good shot, then spends a few turns recovering before going back in. So, it should basiclly fly like Corran, but faster and less powerful.

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I'd like to see the N1 be the rebel equivilant of the Tie Striker- a small, fast craft that cannot slow down. It should focus on "Boon and zoom" more than "Turn and burn"- That is, it takes a turn or two out of range to build up buffs/tokens, runs through the enemy to get a good shot, then spends a few turns recovering before going back in. So, it should basiclly fly like Corran, but faster and less powerful.

Totally agree. No boost on the bar, but a compulsory boost each turn at the end of the move might be interesting.

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ER.. that still doesn't change the fact that we see things make the hyperspace jump multiple times in the movie and they NEVER accelerate up to light speed. So WHAT THE HELL does your formula, which is wrong anyway because you are quoting max acceleration as if it relates to a straight line acceleration graph, rather than just being the peek, have to do with anything. IT IS OBVIOUS that the jump in and out of Hyperspace has nothing to do with the actual speed of the ship. You see Jump Rings doing it from stationary. You see the Falcon doing it moving. The likely thing is you come out with the momentum you went in with. As I'm pretty sure the Jump Ring jumps shown come out with no momentum.

 

 

If that were true the Falcon would have made itself stationary before jumping to SKB.  The issue you have there would be working out your velocity relative to a planet thousands of lightyears away, of course.

 

This is the wrong direction of thinking for Star Wars though, it's all about looking cool, and ships connected that way for carrying look stupid, in my opinion.

 

Could be that different Hyperdrives work differently, maybe the Falcon needs some kind of jump start (IE to be going a certain speed) to cross the thresh-hold.

 

 

No horse in this race, just pointing out that the Falcon also made a jump to lightspeed from a standstill in TFA when they were escaping the mercenaries in the freighter landing bay.

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Following the end of the Galactic Civil War, Leia Organa had assigned the pilots of her escort group to the venerable N1 starfighter.

Where did you find this? it looks like an interesting read and a good reference.

I didn't, I just wrote it up as flavor text for a generic PS4 pilot.

Makes sense though dunnit? The N1s are no longer retired and as a sentimental nod to her royal heritage of Naboo, sprucing them up with Alderaanian colors, a rebel starbird, and assigning them to her escort?

Absolutely something Leia would do, alongside having her own personal N1.

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ER.. that still doesn't change the fact that we see things make the hyperspace jump multiple times in the movie and they NEVER accelerate up to light speed. So WHAT THE HELL does your formula, which is wrong anyway because you are quoting max acceleration as if it relates to a straight line acceleration graph, rather than just being the peek, have to do with anything. IT IS OBVIOUS that the jump in and out of Hyperspace has nothing to do with the actual speed of the ship. You see Jump Rings doing it from stationary. You see the Falcon doing it moving. The likely thing is you come out with the momentum you went in with. As I'm pretty sure the Jump Ring jumps shown come out with no momentum.

 

 

If that were true the Falcon would have made itself stationary before jumping to SKB.  The issue you have there would be working out your velocity relative to a planet thousands of lightyears away, of course.

 

This is the wrong direction of thinking for Star Wars though, it's all about looking cool, and ships connected that way for carrying look stupid, in my opinion.

 

Could be that different Hyperdrives work differently, maybe the Falcon needs some kind of jump start (IE to be going a certain speed) to cross the thresh-hold.

 

 

No horse in this race, just pointing out that the Falcon also made a jump to lightspeed from a standstill in TFA when they were escaping the mercenaries in the freighter landing bay.

 

It was clearly accelerating in real space in that scene.

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Could be that different Hyperdrives work differently, maybe the Falcon needs some kind of jump start (IE to be going a certain speed) to cross the thresh-hold.

 

 

No horse in this race, just pointing out that the Falcon also made a jump to lightspeed from a standstill in TFA when they were escaping the mercenaries in the freighter landing bay.

 

It was clearly accelerating in real space in that scene.

 

 

https://youtu.be/9YVF97agg_E?t=4m5s

 

If anyone was interested.

 

"Accelerating"...sure, there was a slight drift forward a few feet and some inertia (Rey and Han pushed back into their seats) before they went to plaid, but there is not high minimum threshold.

 

Edit: Unless I am misunderstanding, and by threshold you mean the velocity before it vanishes from view.

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Following the end of the Galactic Civil War, Leia Organa had assigned the pilots of her escort group to the venerable N1 starfighter.

Where did you find this? it looks like an interesting read and a good reference.
I didn't, I just wrote it up as flavor text for a generic PS4 pilot.

Makes sense though dunnit? The N1s are no longer retired and as a sentimental nod to her royal heritage of Naboo, sprucing them up with Alderaanian colors, a rebel starbird, and assigning them to her escort?

Absolutely something Leia would do, alongside having her own personal N1.

It is her mother's home planet. 

 

Found these on sale to day for $5 CAD at Canadian Tire...

No N1s but maybe someone will have better luck than I did.

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Following the end of the Galactic Civil War, Leia Organa had assigned the pilots of her escort group to the venerable N1 starfighter.

Where did you find this? it looks like an interesting read and a good reference.

 

I didn't, I just wrote it up as flavor text for a generic PS4 pilot.

Makes sense though dunnit? The N1s are no longer retired and as a sentimental nod to her royal heritage of Naboo, sprucing them up with Alderaanian colors, a rebel starbird, and assigning them to her escort?

Absolutely something Leia would do, alongside having her own personal N1.

 

It is her mother's home planet. 

 

Found these on sale to day for $5 CAD at Canadian Tire...

No N1s but maybe someone will have better luck than I did.

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30706354626_39b95a946f_c.jpg

 

1: Indeed it is, so that's why I figure she'd have N1s with her.

2: neeeeeeaaaaaaat.

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Following the end of the Galactic Civil War, Leia Organa had assigned the pilots of her escort group to the venerable N1 starfighter.

Where did you find this? it looks like an interesting read and a good reference.
I didn't, I just wrote it up as flavor text for a generic PS4 pilot.Makes sense though dunnit? The N1s are no longer retired and as a sentimental nod to her royal heritage of Naboo, sprucing them up with Alderaanian colors, a rebel starbird, and assigning them to her escort?Absolutely something Leia would do, alongside having her own personal N1.
It is her mother's home planet.  Found these on sale to day for $5 CAD at Canadian Tire...No N1s but maybe someone will have better luck than I did.30654915451_b70e5dbc74_c.jpg 30706354626_39b95a946f_c.jpg

But those are terrible!

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I realize I've been spoiled by FFG's miniatures, and probably have some rose tinted nostalgia goggles as well, but man do the new micromachines look like CRAP.

 

I feel like the old ones were at least halfway decent, these just look super cheap.  Only cool thing is that they have ships for all the movies now, as the original line ended right after TPM I'm pretty sure.

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I didn't, I just wrote it up as flavor text for a generic PS4 pilot.

Makes sense though dunnit? The N1s are no longer retired and as a sentimental nod to her royal heritage of Naboo, sprucing them up with Alderaanian colors, a rebel starbird, and assigning them to her escort?

Absolutely something Leia would do, alongside having her own personal N1.

 

 

/pedantic

 

Princess Leia's "royal heritage" was from her adopted mother, Queen Breha of Alderaan, wife of Senator Bail Organa.

 

Padme's terms as Princess of Theed and later Queen Amidala of Naboo were elected positions, not hereditary. Yeah, Naboo democratically elected executive positions used monarch titles.

 

/pedantic

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Found these on sale to day for $5 CAD at Canadian Tire...

No N1s but maybe someone will have better luck than I did.

30654915451_b70e5dbc74_c.jpg

 

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1: Indeed it is, so that's why I figure she'd have N1s with her.

2: neeeeeeaaaaaaat.

 

 

But those are terrible!

 

I realize I've been spoiled by FFG's miniatures, and probably have some rose tinted nostalgia goggles as well, but man do the new micromachines look like CRAP.

 

I feel like the old ones were at least halfway decent, these just look super cheap.  Only cool thing is that they have ships for all the movies now, as the original line ended right after TPM I'm pretty sure.

For what I paid for them I wasn't expecting super good quality from them,

they fill the roll, they are a decent scale match, fit on the pegs nicely,

and once I get cards that I like printed out, ... away we go!!!

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I didn't, I just wrote it up as flavor text for a generic PS4 pilot.

Makes sense though dunnit? The N1s are no longer retired and as a sentimental nod to her royal heritage of Naboo, sprucing them up with Alderaanian colors, a rebel starbird, and assigning them to her escort?

Absolutely something Leia would do, alongside having her own personal N1.

 

 

/pedantic

 

Princess Leia's "royal heritage" was from her adopted mother, Queen Breha of Alderaan, wife of Senator Bail Organa.

 

Padme's terms as Princess of Theed and later Queen Amidala of Naboo were elected positions, not hereditary. Yeah, Naboo democratically elected executive positions used monarch titles.

 

/pedantic

So? Her mother was royalty, she was royalty, in the end it doesn't really matter.

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