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Can a droid learn the Lightsaber skill?

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I was wondering if a droid could learn how to use a lightsaber as a weapon? I understand they may not be able to do the parry and redirect blasts back stuff Jedi can do. But I was curious if they could still learn to fight well enough with just raw skill.

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I think it would be up to the GM really. But I do not see why not, it is tied to a characteristic. I remember reading in the legends that Grievous learned lightsaber forms to a degree, though I forgot which book it was.

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A droid can learn the lightsaber skill and could even learn a Lightsaber Specialization. It would not be able to use force talentes (the one marked with a star), but everything else should be fair game.

 

And grieviuos was cyborg instead of a driod (organic with a lot of metal)

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A droid can learn the lightsaber skill and could even learn a Lightsaber Specialization. It would not be able to use force talentes (the one marked with a star), but everything else should be fair game.

 

And grieviuos was cyborg instead of a driod (organic with a lot of metal)

 

He also wasn't Force sensitive.

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Yes definitely, so Shii-Cho, Makashi and Armorer are your best choices for a Droid Lightsaber user.

But the other option is to pick a Specialisation with Well Rounded and get it that way (assuming your GM let's you). Medic and Archaeologist are the 2 best there I think, for theme and function. I love the idea of a Droid Archaeologist who has amassed a wealth of knowledge on the Jedi traditions and has learnt to use a Lightsaber from that.

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I thought if you selected a specialization from the force and destiny book that it gave you a force rating of one and sense a droid cannot have a force rating they would not be able to select any specs from that book.

So how would i go about building a not force spec saber droid?

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No, you can get Force Rating 1 in only two ways: start as a Force & Destiny CAREER (Consular, Guardian, Mystic, Seeker, Sentinel, or Warrior), or by taking one of the two Force-Sensitive specs. Taking a spec that is unique to a F&D career does not give you Force Rating 1. And technically, droid characters are not prohibited from starting as a F&D career or taking a Force-Sensitive spec, they just can't get any Force Rating from it.

The best specs for a non-Force using character who wants to use a lightsaber are Shii-Cho Knight and Makashi Duelist. Although Marauder is not a bad choice, either.

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So a few things to go over first. Technically it's the Careers in FaD that give a character the Force Rating of 1. Droids can have any career (or specialisation, or talent) that provides the Force Rating, they just can't use it. They can also purchase any Talent that requires a Force to be used, they just can't use that Talent.

So how do you go about building a Droid Lightsaber User? Exactly as you would any other character, follow the steps in the FaD core book. Just keep in mind that any Talent with a little star in the title bar can not be used. Let's go through building an Armorer Droid then:

Morality: Irrelevant, be a murder hobo if you want, you don't have a Morality and don't gain Conflict.

Species: Droid

Career: Guardian

Specialisation: Armorer

Characteristics:

Brawn would be handy for that Lightsaber, so 3 in that (50xp).

Agility has uses; perhaps a 2 (70xp)

Intelect, this guys a Mechanic so definitely a 3 here (120xp)

Cunning has nothing for this character, a 1.

Willpower has use in initiative and against fear, a 2 (140xp)

Presence has no use other than Cool, a 1

Skills: this bits tricky, the rules are not 100% clear, an FaD character normally only chooses 3 of their Career skills to get a free rank, but a Droid is supposed to get 6. GMs choice as to if you get 5 or 6 ranks, either way it's heaps. Then choose 3 of the 4 Armorer skills to gain a rank in.

Extra XP: still got 35xp (45xp if we don't want cash for gear, but we do!).

Rank 2 in Lightsaber (150xp)

Rank 2 in Mechanics (160xp)

Inventor (165xp)

Gearhead (170xp)

Toughened (175xp)

Gear: we have up to 3000 to spend, get some good armour (or make your own even better), a training Saber or Ancient Sword. Perhaps a pair of Shock Gloves for when you want to punch someone. Some repair patches, a comlink and finally a very nice Tool Kit.

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Yeah, droid's just can't use the force and in this case; racial charactersitics trump career rules and theres a reason why they are not present in Force and Destiny; they are not intended to be a big part of that setting and would be considerably handicapped compared to other races. 

 

That being said they definitely could work. Plenty of talents that work without the force, you just have to chose carefully. Droids are arguably some of the nastiest wielders in the game due to their hyper specialisation. However, they can only use brawn as their Lightsaber Stat, no exceptions as they are force talents. 

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I could argue that a force sensitve career is not possible for a droid, the reason being that to have that sort of "background" in the first place requires the character to have the force running through their veins.

Now given that the penalty for starting with a career with FS 1 means 6 instead of 8 career skills and 1 less free rank (for 3 instead of 4), then the droid is gimping itself by choosing it, in fact he is getting zero advantage by doing so, so ultimately is this game breaking , definitely not, is this unfair to this players or other players, again no. Would the player get the droid free ranks , if you ask me definitely, this is one of the reasons they start with 1s in Characteristics and 175 starting xp.

Now is any of this game breaking, a droid choosing a non FS career can get 2 more career skills, and can use every talent in the talent tree, in an FS spec they still have to buy said force talents to go through them for no benefit, so if the narrative choice and back story make thematic sense then your **** straight I would allow it, after all the only harm it does is to the droid itself. Remember though that Brawn and only Brawn can be used for the lightsaber (unless you usenthe ruling in Edge that allowed you to use agility instead. Given this was left out of F&D , I would not allow that , otherwise you are thumbing your nose at those that take the effort to learn Ataru.

Edited by syrath

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Definitely needs a good story:

A former Jedi Combat Training assistant: Medic

A Jedi Diplomatic assistant or representative: Politico

A former Holocron Archives droid, has been studying the ancient arts over the past centuries: Scholar

No idea for Propagandist, perhaps former Empire droid

Archeologist: Droid who is fascinated with the ancient teachings of the Jedi

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According to Sam Stewart, when he was asked this very question, the answer is "Yeah sure, why not."

 

He did point out that they wouldn't benefit from the force specifc talents, but they could totally learn lightsaber, and even learn lightsaber talent trees.  The example they gave was Proxy from The Force Unleashed to establish precedent.

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There is something that could change my viee on this in the future and that is signature abilities. We , thus far have only seen the guardian signature abilities, other F&D careers signature may have more reliance on the force, and given that I may change my mind later. Even then, I wouod have no issue with then taking a spec that is FS.

I would also add that lightsaber specs like Niman are definitely going to be harder to justify or even the mystic career, again depends on the backstory.

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I don't see why a droid couldn't learn to use a saber. Vader had some specially made ASP droids that he could fight utterly curbstomp and Proxy could emulate Jedi Badasses - and those skill sets included using a lightsaber.

 

So yeah, give 'em a saber tree and they just cant use the talents with * on them.

 

 

 

All it takes is to somehow be David Tennant.

 

Yeah.

 

A great many problems could be solved by simply being David Tennant.

Edited by Desslok

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I like the Iron Knight solution. The droid doesn’t have the Force themselves, but they are host to a crystalline symbiont that does.

Problem solved.

 

I have to disagree with you here... because now you're creating a force sensitive droid, which is a no-go for me. Being non-Force using is one of the drawbacks of being a droid, and is part and parcel, as far as I'm concerned.

 

If you want to be an Iron Knight (at my table, at least), I'd make the character roll a normal human Force Sensitive, and 'flavor' it as a droid, which means all of the drawbacks, and only a few of the benefits.

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I like the Iron Knight solution. The droid doesn’t have the Force themselves, but they are host to a crystalline symbiont that does.Problem solved.

Then they are no longer a droid and have become a living being, this path leads to complexities that are too hard to ratify, for example what happens to the symbiant when the droid is ion damaged, is it possiblr to separate them. How do you now balance the benefits of being inorganic with being organic now that one of the major drawbacks of a droid are now removed, even making them a human doesnt balance since, now do they eat sleep and breathe like a human. I know this is the yes and system but to be honest this is too far out there for me.

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I like the Iron Knight solution. The droid doesn’t have the Force themselves, but they are host to a crystalline symbiont that does.Problem solved.

Then they are no longer a droid and have become a living being, this path leads to complexities that are too hard to ratify, for example what happens to the symbiant when the droid is ion damaged, is it possiblr to separate them. How do you now balance the benefits of being inorganic with being organic now that one of the major drawbacks of a droid are now removed, even making them a human doesnt balance since, now do they eat sleep and breathe like a human. I know this is the yes and system but to be honest this is too far out there for me.

 

 

Seems to me that you just treat them like you would a cyborg, in regards to effects from Ion damage and similar.  You don't remove the drawbacks of them being a droid, they are still there, they've just also got organic problems too.  Like life support for example.  If they get hit in that section of their droid bits, they're now in serious trouble of dying.  Remember symbiotic doesn't mean "one being", it means "two beings that both support/survive with the help of the other".  Remove one, the other will be in trouble.

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The question then becomes how do you balance it out either you have a droid with one of its major setbacks removed or a human with a whole load of droid bonuses added . Either of these would appear to balance with the rest of the species.

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