emmjay 319 Posted May 12, 2016 I got into a discussion the other day with a fellow Star Wars fan. We were arguing what was official Cannon and what was EU. From what I can tell, per Disney, the following is considered cannon: All Movies (Episodes 1-7 + "Star Wars Stories") Clone Wars TV Show Rebels TV Show Books that have come out since Force Friday (those book specifically written after Disney's takeover) What about everything else that Disney approves before release? The Jumpmaster 5000? Manaroo? They appeared in Tales of Bounty Hunters. Are they now retconned back into being cannon? Same thing with the Mist Hunter. What about all the planets in the Rebellion game. Honoghr, for example, first appeared in the Thrawn trilogy. The TIE Punisher was from Galactic Battlegrounds. Does that make that PC game now cannon? Disney is pulling willy-nilly from EU and original sources and it gets confusing...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piznit 1,705 Posted May 12, 2016 Well cannons are a different slot. EU goes in the modification slot, so you could use both 37 Red G, Antipodean Ork, DariusAPB and 34 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drasnighta 26,573 Posted May 12, 2016 You have the list Correct.However, you will also note that the list does not include Video Games, Board games or Miniature Games. They can (and now must) be Disney-Approved... But that does not make them canon. 3 DarthEnderX, Otacon and Punning Pundit reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heychadwick 11,354 Posted May 12, 2016 (edited) FYI, it's canon. Cannon is the thing you shoot. What about everything else that Disney approves before release? The Jumpmaster 5000? Manaroo? They appeared in Tales of Bounty Hunters. Are they now retconned back into being cannon? Same thing with the Mist Hunter. What about all the planets in the Rebellion game. Honoghr, for example, first appeared in the Thrawn trilogy. The TIE Punisher was from Galactic Battlegrounds. Does that make that PC game now cannon? Disney is pulling willy-nilly from EU and original sources and it gets confusing...... Remember what Disney said? They didn't just throw out EU. They said it's kind of true, until they over write it. It's "legends". What does that mean? It means they are probably going to take all the best bits of all the EU and re-write it so it fits into the official Canon better. While Dengar and Manaroo haven't been put into official canon, you can probably bet that they will eventually get there, but via a different plot line. Forget "Tales of the Bounty Hunter", but expect to see a lot of the characters and ships from that series included in something at some point. EDIT: Dengar is in the Clone Wars tv show. So, he's canon. Edited May 12, 2016 by heychadwick 3 stegocent, Punning Pundit and 7falcon7wings7 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoK 98 100 Posted May 12, 2016 I've the perfect response to the Canon/EU debate.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ikka 1,208 Posted May 12, 2016 All the old EU is now considered "Legends". This allows the new Disney EU to pick and choose what they want from it. All the movies and the CW/Rebels TV shows are officially canon, as are the new books/comics that have come out after Disney took over. Everything else is up to Disney- they control the IP now. 1 Punning Pundit reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Firespray-32 5,424 Posted May 12, 2016 (edited) What about everything else that Disney approves before release? The Jumpmaster 5000? Manaroo? They appeared in Tales of Bounty Hunters. Are they now retconned back into being cannon? Same thing with the Mist Hunter. What about all the planets in the Rebellion game. Honoghr, for example, first appeared in the Thrawn trilogy. The TIE Punisher was from Galactic Battlegrounds. Does that make that PC game now cannon? Disney is pulling willy-nilly from EU and original sources and it gets confusing...... The Millenium Falcon is in the new film. By this appraoch, that would make everything that included the Millenium Falcon canon, including the Star Wars Holiday Special. You can easily use part of some old material without recanonising the entirety of it. Disney can use Thrawn, for example. That doesn't recanonise the Thrawn trilogy, just a blue alien mastermind. I'm not sure where the idea that every release is an unsplittable parcel that is either recanonised in entirety or not at all. EDIT: Dengar is in the Clone Wars tv show. So, he's canon. Um... Edited May 12, 2016 by Blue Five 6 GrimmyV, Rodafowa, heychadwick and 3 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ficklegreendice 34,359 Posted May 12, 2016 On Dash, you use both .. Wait 1 GrimmyV reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FluxCapcitr 240 Posted May 12, 2016 EDIT: Dengar is in the Clone Wars tv show. So, he's canon. For the record, Dengar is also in Empire Strikes Back, though nothing more than his image is shown. 3 Dorn05, Boba Rick and heychadwick reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heychadwick 11,354 Posted May 12, 2016 You can easily use part of some old material without recanonising the entirety of it. Disney can use Thrawn, for example. That doesn't recanonise the Thrawn trilogy, just a blue alien mastermind. I'm not sure where the idea that every release is an unsplittable parcel that is either recanonised in entirety or not at all. EDIT: Dengar is in the Clone Wars tv show. So, he's canon. Um... "No disintegrating this time..." As for Thrawn, it looks like he's going to be put into the Star Wars Rebels tv show next season. So, he will be added in. There are also rumors that he might be the villain in Aftermath that is supporting Admiral Sloan. They could roll into something like the Thrawn trilogy. I can see them redoing something like the Thrawn trilogy eventually....except better...and official. 1 Darth Lenny reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FluxCapcitr 240 Posted May 12, 2016 As others have said, Disney Approved /= Canon. Disney approves the ships and characters that FFG releases and that other vendors produce. That said, the only aspect of those ships and characters are only canon if they are shown in the aforementioned Canon media. For example, if one of the new books mentions that there is an Imperial pilot named Whisper, that does not mean that the TIE Phantom exists in canon, (unless of course the book states that it exists). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panzeh 948 Posted May 12, 2016 Who cares what's canon and what isn't? It's all fictional. 8 Dorn05, Karhedron, stegocent and 5 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DarthEnderX 5,240 Posted May 12, 2016 All Movies (Episodes 1-7 + "Star Wars Stories") Clone Wars TV Show Rebels TV Show Books that have come out since Force Friday (those book specifically written after Disney's takeover) Correct. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rogue Dakotan 5,127 Posted May 12, 2016 All of the short stories appearing in Star Wars Insider magazine are also canon. Here is also a wonderfully curated timeline of canon material. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DailyRich 3,346 Posted May 12, 2016 Thing is, Disney didn't come out and say the EU never existed or that none of that material will ever be used. Just that it would not be considered canon going forward. If someone decides they want to pluck up Mara Jade, they're not forbidden from doing so; it's just not assumed she exists. And anything previously written about her is under no obligation to be adhered to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heychadwick 11,354 Posted May 12, 2016 Thing is, Disney didn't come out and say the EU never existed or that none of that material will ever be used. Just that it would not be considered canon going forward. If someone decides they want to pluck up Mara Jade, they're not forbidden from doing so; it's just not assumed she exists. And anything previously written about her is under no obligation to be adhered to. Which leaves a whole lot of already created characters and frame work for a lot of stories that people will surely use again....but not in the same way. I'm sure Mara Jade will get used at some point by Disney because she's pretty popular and too cool a concept to not use. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dagonet 7,246 Posted May 12, 2016 Ysanne Isard is a candidate for resurfacing as well, seeing as how her father is canon. 2 heychadwick and Punning Pundit reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJFDVORAK 1,210 Posted May 12, 2016 Who cares what's canon and what isn't? It's all fictional. What are you talking about? It's all real, it just happened a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. 7 ianmiddy, rhs2042, GrimmyV and 4 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GrimmyV 7,421 Posted May 12, 2016 (edited) The Expanded Universe (which was a sh*tty name in my opinion, it's a galaxy, not a universe) is now Purgatory, where Legends bide their time until they ascend and are Canonized or fall when they are directly contradicted by a Canon source. So yeah, Jacen Solo is burning in Disney Hell forever. Edited May 13, 2016 by GrimmyV 3 MarekMandalore, rhs2042 and BlodVargarna reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dagonet 7,246 Posted May 12, 2016 The Extended Universe (which was a sh*tty name in my opinion, it's a galaxy, not a universe) It doesn't refer to something in story, it's a meta term. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expanded_universe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GrimmyV 7,421 Posted May 12, 2016 The Extended Universe (which was a sh*tty name in my opinion, it's a galaxy, not a universe) It doesn't refer to something in story, it's a meta term. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expanded_universe I *KNOW*. I think it's a stupid meta term. It's not a fictional universe, it's a fictional Galaxy. I hate the term 'universe' when applied to various works in fandoms, especially when he scope of said works is rarely larger than a town or county, much less an entire planet. OCD rant mode off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gonkgonkgonk 51 Posted May 12, 2016 The Extended Universe (which was a sh*tty name in my opinion, it's a galaxy, not a universe) It doesn't refer to something in story, it's a meta term. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expanded_universe I *KNOW*. I think it's a stupid meta term. It's not a fictional universe, it's a fictional Galaxy. I hate the term 'universe' when applied to various works in fandoms, especially when he scope of said works is rarely larger than a town or county, much less an entire planet. OCD rant mode off. I thought it was meant to be more like "alternate universe", as in within the rules of the alternate universe where the characters of Friends or whatever are real... 5 CorranHornfan, knavelead, VanorDM and 2 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GrimmyV 7,421 Posted May 12, 2016 The Extended Universe (which was a sh*tty name in my opinion, it's a galaxy, not a universe) It doesn't refer to something in story, it's a meta term. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expanded_universe I *KNOW*. I think it's a stupid meta term. It's not a fictional universe, it's a fictional Galaxy. I hate the term 'universe' when applied to various works in fandoms, especially when he scope of said works is rarely larger than a town or county, much less an entire planet. OCD rant mode off. I thought it was meant to be more like "alternate universe", as in within the rules of the alternate universe where the characters of Friends or whatever are real... What a waste of an alternate universe. I'd rather go where everyone knows your name. 3 Ktan, Dagonet and knavelead reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Draconis Hegemonia 324 Posted May 12, 2016 Who cares what's canon and what isn't? It's all fictional. Please, present at your nearest commissar for a reeducation fast course. 3 Dagonet, rhs2042 and GrimmyV reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GreatMazinkaiser 1,334 Posted May 12, 2016 The Extended Universe (which was a sh*tty name in my opinion, it's a galaxy, not a universe) is now Purgatory, where Legends bide their time until they ascend and are Canonized or fall when they are directly contradicted by a Canon source. So yeah, Jacen Solo is burning in Disney Hell forever. Or rather reimagined as Mr.Anger Management Issues Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
