Boba Fett (crew) vs. Extra Munitions

[tangoraven 85]

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[Vorpal Sword 14,685]

This is a hotly debated topic, actually.

 

My view is that when Boba Fett instructs the opposing player to discard Extra Munitions, that player may discard the munitions token assigned to the Extra Munitions card instead.

[DailyRich 3,346]

The consensus seems to be, "Why would you waste Boba Fett on Extra Munitions in the first place?"

[Warpman 2,115]

The trollface is that when your opponent declares using Fett, to remove your ADV PROTON TORPEDO

you simply take the token and discard it 

[StephenEsven 632]

Already being debated elsewhere.

And EM doesn't work again Boba Fett, so on a punisher or k-wing it could be worth it if it has a lot of unspent tokens.

[Ubul 887]

The trollface is that when your opponent declares using Fett, to remove your ADV PROTON TORPEDO

you simply take the token and discard it 

The trollface is that when your opponent tells you, that Boba discards the card and not you.

[WWHSD 9,273]

This is a hotly debated topic, actually.

 

There's several pages of it in this thread already.

 

 

My view is that when Boba Fett instructs the opposing player to discard Extra Munitions, that player may discard the munitions token assigned to the Extra Munitions card instead.

 

Boba Fett never instructs the opposing player to do anything. The only player that is instructed to to anything by the Boba Fett crew card is the player that controls Fett.

[thespaceinvader 17,568]

 

This is a hotly debated topic, actually.

 

There's several pages of it in this thread already.

 

 

My view is that when Boba Fett instructs the opposing player to discard Extra Munitions, that player may discard the munitions token assigned to the Extra Munitions card instead.

 

Boba Fett never instructs the opposing player to do anything. The only player that is instructed to to anything by the Boba Fett crew card is the player that controls Fett.

 

I would have said that, except for the FFG email ruling about the same sort of interaction with OL and cards that have similar wording, which went the opposite way.

There just isn't a RAW answer on this until FFG provides one.

[StevenO 2,996]

If Boba can take Extra Munitions then any tokens remaining on upgrades lose their properties as they are no longer defined.

 

The bigger question everyone has issues with is if Boba can ignore the munitions tokens and just take out the card beneath them.  I believe that if called to discard the upgrade the token will always be removed first which also happens to protect the EM card itself.

[Ubul 887]

The bigger question everyone has issues with is if Boba can ignore the munitions tokens and just take out the card beneath them.  I believe that if called to discard the upgrade the token will always be removed first which also happens to protect the EM card itself.

This is a clear case. The EM card say "when you are instructed to discard an upgrade card ...". But Boba does not instruct you to discard anything so EM does not trigger.

[DR4CO 6,234]

 

The bigger question everyone has issues with is if Boba can ignore the munitions tokens and just take out the card beneath them.  I believe that if called to discard the upgrade the token will always be removed first which also happens to protect the EM card itself.

This is a clear case. The EM card say "when you are instructed to discard an upgrade card ...". But Boba does not instruct you to discard anything so EM does not trigger.

 

Except, as pointed out above, we had the exact same wording show up with R7 Astromech vs Omega Leader and they ruled it the other way.

 

We really do need FFG to step in on this one at this point.

Edited May 4, 2016 by DR4CO

[StephenEsven 632]

The R7 ruling actually supports Boba Fett discarding EM.

With R7 you choose the dice. Then the opponent is instructed to roll those dice (Boba Fett does not instruct the opponent to do anything by the way).

The ruling was that it was still R7 that did the modification. Which supports that it is Boba Fett that does the discarding.

[Full Metal Wingman 18]

The R7 ruling actually supports Boba Fett discarding EM.

With R7 you choose the dice. Then the opponent is instructed to roll those dice (Boba Fett does not instruct the opponent to do anything by the way).

The ruling was that it was still R7 that did the modification. Which supports that it is Boba Fett that does the discarding.

 

HAHAHAHA You use the wording on the Extra Munitions card to prove that Boba Fett doesn't activate it?

 

You do not touch other peoples models or cards without permission. You do not reach over and flip peoples cards. The only way to have the card chosen by Boba Fett to be discarded is to tell the other player to discard it. They do not have any choice, but You are INSTRUCTING the other player to discard the upgrade card.

 

And if you want to play the YOU pronoun game, then you, the ship that Boba Fett is on, must instruct the other you, the ship extra munitions is on, to discard the upgrade card. You can not have it play opposites and have the ship, YOU, tell the Player, You, to discard anything.

[Rawling 345]

HAHAHAHA You use the wording on the Extra Munitions card to prove that Boba Fett doesn't activate it?

That is usually how we decide what effect a card has on the game, yes.

[StephenEsven 632]

Do what the card says. Don't do what it doesn't say.

[Ubul 887]

 

The R7 ruling actually supports Boba Fett discarding EM.

With R7 you choose the dice. Then the opponent is instructed to roll those dice (Boba Fett does not instruct the opponent to do anything by the way).

The ruling was that it was still R7 that did the modification. Which supports that it is Boba Fett that does the discarding.

 

HAHAHAHA You use the wording on the Extra Munitions card to prove that Boba Fett doesn't activate it?

 

You do not touch other peoples models or cards without permission. You do not reach over and flip peoples cards. The only way to have the card chosen by Boba Fett to be discarded is to tell the other player to discard it. They do not have any choice, but You are INSTRUCTING the other player to discard the upgrade card.

 

And if you want to play the YOU pronoun game, then you, the ship that Boba Fett is on, must instruct the other you, the ship extra munitions is on, to discard the upgrade card. You can not have it play opposites and have the ship, YOU, tell the Player, You, to discard anything.

 

Players do not instruct other players do do something. Upgrade cards do. I announce that I activate Boba and I discard your upgrade. Then I ask you to flip down your card (actually you are supposed to do that without asking). You are not instructed to do anything. 

 

The R7 vs OL ruling precedes, that does not matter who touches the die or the card. R7 uses his ability, so he is the one who modifies the dice, even if OL's player rolls the dice. Similarly, Boba discards the card, even if the EM player's hand flips it down.

Edited May 5, 2016 by Ubul

[Warpman 2,115]

 

 

The R7 ruling actually supports Boba Fett discarding EM.

With R7 you choose the dice. Then the opponent is instructed to roll those dice (Boba Fett does not instruct the opponent to do anything by the way).

The ruling was that it was still R7 that did the modification. Which supports that it is Boba Fett that does the discarding.

 

HAHAHAHA You use the wording on the Extra Munitions card to prove that Boba Fett doesn't activate it?

 

You do not touch other peoples models or cards without permission. You do not reach over and flip peoples cards. The only way to have the card chosen by Boba Fett to be discarded is to tell the other player to discard it. They do not have any choice, but You are INSTRUCTING the other player to discard the upgrade card.

 

And if you want to play the YOU pronoun game, then you, the ship that Boba Fett is on, must instruct the other you, the ship extra munitions is on, to discard the upgrade card. You can not have it play opposites and have the ship, YOU, tell the Player, You, to discard anything.

 

Players do not instruct other players do do something. Upgrade cards do. I announce that I activate Boba and I discard your upgrade. Then I ask you to flip down your card (actually you are supposed to do that without asking). You are not instructed to do anything. 

 

The R7 vs OL ruling precedes, that does not matter who touches the die or the card. R7 uses his ability, so he is the one who modifies the dice, even if OL's player rolls the dice. Similarly, Boba discards the card, even if the EM player's hand flips it down.

 

Nope, the card INSTRUCTS him to do so. You only declare using him.

[StephenEsven 632]

Where? I only see the card you to discard the opponent card.

[Ubul 887]

Nope, the card INSTRUCTS him to do so. You only declare using him.

OK, I was sloppy. More precisely: I declare using Boba, and the ship carrying Boba is instructed to chose and discard one of the defender's upgrade.

[Full Metal Wingman 18]

You , me, ship, upgrade card, he, she, it, I

 

 

 

The R7 ruling actually supports Boba Fett discarding EM.
With R7 you choose the dice. Then the opponent is instructed to roll those dice (Boba Fett does not instruct the opponent to do anything by the way).
The ruling was that it was still R7 that did the modification. Which supports that it is Boba Fett that does the discarding.

 

HAHAHAHA You use the wording on the Extra Munitions card to prove that Boba Fett doesn't activate it?

 

You do not touch other peoples models or cards without permission. You do not reach over and flip peoples cards. The only way to have the card chosen by Boba Fett to be discarded is to tell the other player to discard it. They do not have any choice, but You are INSTRUCTING the other player to discard the upgrade card.

 

And if you want to play the YOU pronoun game, then you, the ship that Boba Fett is on, must instruct the other you, the ship extra munitions is on, to discard the upgrade card. You can not have it play opposites and have the ship, YOU, tell the Player, You, to discard anything.

 

Players do not instruct other players do do something. Upgrade cards do. I announce that I activate Boba and I discard your upgrade. Then I ask you to flip down your card (actually you are supposed to do that without asking). You are not instructed to do anything. 

 

The R7 vs OL ruling precedes, that does not matter who touches the die or the card. R7 uses his ability, so he is the one who modifies the dice, even if OL's player rolls the dice. Similarly, Boba discards the card, even if the EM player's hand flips it down.

 

So you are telling me that you get to choose the upgrade card, but Boba Fett upgrade card has all the INSTRUCTIONS laid out on what I am suppose to do with the upgrade card that you chose?

Edited May 5, 2016 by Full Metal Wingman

[StephenEsven 632]

Substitute 'I' for 'you' and you got it.

[Full Metal Wingman 18]

Good, so we are in agreement that Boba Fett instructs "you" to discard the upgrade card. Sweet, discarding the token it is then.

[WWHSD 9,273]

Good, so we are in agreement that Boba Fett instructs "you" to discard the upgrade card. Sweet, discarding the token it is then.

 

Huh? 

 

You = "the ship with this ability"

 

Let's substitute that in the card text.

 

"After performing an attack, if the defender was dealt a faceup Damage card, [the ship with this ability] may discard this card to choose and discard 1 of the defender's Upgrade cards."

 

 

In order for EM to trigger Fett would need to be written like this:

 

"After performing an attack, if the defender was dealt a faceup Damage card, you may discard this card to choose one of the defender's Upgrade cards. The defender must discard the chosen card."

[Full Metal Wingman 18]

ok. The next time "the ship" wants to get up and walk over and discard my upgrade, I will be glad to let the ship flip the card and not the token.

[WWHSD 9,273]

ok. The next time "the ship" wants to get up and walk over and discard my upgrade, I will be glad to let the ship flip the card and not the token.

 

 

 

"You" has a very specific meaning when it appears in the X-Wing game. 

 

 

RRG, pg. 2:

"Many Ship card abilities use the word “you” to refer

to the corresponding ship. Upgrade and Damage

cards that use the word “you” refer to the ship to

which the card is assigned."