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Folks that have done their regionals already.... Did you notice if the Y-wing easy mode squads are actually dieing out? 

 

Have they been adjusted to say.....2 tlt ships plus other things?

 

Are they as common as hipsters in a coffee house?

 

We talk about the tlt list going away around here, but what are the `man on the ground` observations. Is it gone?

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Pretty much gone is my impression, but then Thug Life never really saw THAT much play at high levels in the first place.

 

 

You don't see 4 TLT lists but I see TLT Y's a lot still.  I'm running 2 in a list.  What I have seen drop off is Stress hog.  Everyone has their answer to deal with it now and I have not seen any.

I'd agree, but I'm surprised.  The Gray Squad Stresshog should be an excellent answer to u-boats, a double stressed u boat will die before it gets its second shot off.

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Putting all the same of one thing in a list maximizes it's strength, but it also maximizes it's weaknesses, too.  It becomes more rock/paper/scissors.  Great vs. some things, but terrible vs. others.  

 

Balanced lists are better all arounders and can deal with more types of lists.  Maybe people are starting to get that?

 

Triple U-boats will be a thing for a bit, but how much you bet it will start turning into one or two in a list of other things soon enough?  At least on the higher tables, I bet.  

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Virtually extinct.

 

R7vXm5E.png

The decline in PS2 is Y-Wings dropping out, most of the PS2 stuff left in is now Omicron Group Pilot.  There's also a sharp decline in Miranda at PS8, which is masked on this graph by Inquisitor moving into that bracket.

(store champs data is a sample only)

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Virtually extinct.

 

R7vXm5E.png

The decline in PS2 is Y-Wings dropping out, most of the PS2 stuff left in is now Omicron Group Pilot.  There's also a sharp decline in Miranda at PS8.

(store champs data is a sample only)

Big stacks of extra 8s, 3s and 4s.  3s is obvious, 4s is black cracks, I guess 8s is Inquisitors and OLs?

 

It's the 5s and 7s I can't work out... VCXs maybe.

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Big stacks of extra 8s, 3s and 4s.  3s is obvious, 4s is black cracks, I guess 8s is Inquisitors and OLs?

Poe is another popular PS8. Rebel Regen was the new hotness before U-boats dropped.

 

I've seen Poe a lot more at 10, which is why I didn't mention him.

 

(this chart now becomes a lot more difficult to work out due to Adaptability.  Do you put the base PS or the adjusted PS?  How do you track the latter if you use it?)

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Interesting that the folks at Regionals are pushing the low-PS game into 3s and 4s, while Store Champs still seem stuck on 2s. SC's are also far more interested in the PS10-11 game, while Regionals are finding PS8 works very well for them thank-you-very-much.

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Virtually extinct.

 

R7vXm5E.png

The decline in PS2 is Y-Wings dropping out, most of the PS2 stuff left in is now Omicron Group Pilot.  There's also a sharp decline in Miranda at PS8.

(store champs data is a sample only)

Big stacks of extra 8s, 3s and 4s.  3s is obvious, 4s is black cracks, I guess 8s is Inquisitors and OLs?

 

It's the 5s and 7s I can't work out... VCXs maybe.

 

 

Kanan, Biggs, Chewbacca, and Dash come to mind. 

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Virtually extinct.

 

R7vXm5E.png

The decline in PS2 is Y-Wings dropping out, most of the PS2 stuff left in is now Omicron Group Pilot.  There's also a sharp decline in Miranda at PS8.

(store champs data is a sample only)

Big stacks of extra 8s, 3s and 4s.  3s is obvious, 4s is black cracks, I guess 8s is Inquisitors and OLs?

 

It's the 5s and 7s I can't work out... VCXs maybe.

 

 

Kanan, Biggs, Chewbacca, and Dash come to mind. 

 

Chewie and Dash were already there though, it's the new ones I can't figure, but Kanan and Biggs and Hera and Sabine seem likely.

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Interesting that the folks at Regionals are pushing the low-PS game into 3s and 4s, while Store Champs still seem stuck on 2s. SC's are also far more interested in the PS10-11 game, while Regionals are finding PS8 works very well for them thank-you-very-much.

 

TLT Y-wings were PS 2.

 

U-boats are PS 3.

 

Things that beat U-boats are PS 4.  

 

Not so hard to see once you look at it that way.

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Big stacks of extra 8s, 3s and 4s.  3s is obvious, 4s is black cracks, I guess 8s is Inquisitors and OLs?

Poe is another popular PS8. Rebel Regen was the new hotness before U-boats dropped.

 

I've seen Poe a lot more at 10, which is why I didn't mention him.

 

(this chart now becomes a lot more difficult to work out due to Adaptability.  Do you put the base PS or the adjusted PS?  How do you track the latter if you use it?)

 

 

I assume +1 for Adapt - I'm using adjusted PS (which is why there's 10 & 11 on my scale!).  One of the most interesting things from the early regional results is that the PS war is basically over.

 

Store Champs 16% of non-Phantom ships took VI, Regionals it's 4%.

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Interesting that the folks at Regionals are pushing the low-PS game into 3s and 4s, while Store Champs still seem stuck on 2s. SC's are also far more interested in the PS10-11 game, while Regionals are finding PS8 works very well for them thank-you-very-much.

 

TLT Y-wings were PS 2.

 

U-boats are PS 3.

 

Things that beat U-boats are PS 4.  

 

Not so hard to see once you look at it that way.

 

 

Pretty much everything at PS4 is either Crack Shot, Wampa, or Yorr.

 

PS5 uplift = Kanan & Palob, primarily.

PS7 uplift is a mixture.  Mithel and Scourge in Swarms, Zuckuss, Tel, Dash... 

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Big stacks of extra 8s, 3s and 4s.  3s is obvious, 4s is black cracks, I guess 8s is Inquisitors and OLs?

Poe is another popular PS8. Rebel Regen was the new hotness before U-boats dropped.

 

I've seen Poe a lot more at 10, which is why I didn't mention him.

 

(this chart now becomes a lot more difficult to work out due to Adaptability.  Do you put the base PS or the adjusted PS?  How do you track the latter if you use it?)

 

 

I assume +1 for Adapt - I'm using adjusted PS (which is why there's 10 & 11 on my scale!).  One of the most interesting things from the early regional results is that the PS war is basically over.

I wouldn't, it's not always a good assumption.  For instance, I play Adaptability on Vader with two PS8s,, so that I can put him at 10 if there's a 9 or a 10 and they have init, but otherwise can put him down to 8 so movement is easier and he can shoot last and land those autocrits on hull.

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Big stacks of extra 8s, 3s and 4s.  3s is obvious, 4s is black cracks, I guess 8s is Inquisitors and OLs?

Poe is another popular PS8. Rebel Regen was the new hotness before U-boats dropped.

 

I've seen Poe a lot more at 10, which is why I didn't mention him.

 

(this chart now becomes a lot more difficult to work out due to Adaptability.  Do you put the base PS or the adjusted PS?  How do you track the latter if you use it?)

 

 

I assume +1 for Adapt - I'm using adjusted PS (which is why there's 10 & 11 on my scale!).  One of the most interesting things from the early regional results is that the PS war is basically over.

I wouldn't, it's not always a good assumption.  For instance, I play Adaptability on Vader with two PS8s,, so that I can put him at 10 if there's a 9 or a 10 and they have init, but otherwise can put him down to 8 so movement is easier and he can shoot last and land those autocrits on hull.

 

Well I have to make an assumption one way or another, and like you said yourself when it matters you make him a 10!

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Interesting that the folks at Regionals are pushing the low-PS game into 3s and 4s, while Store Champs still seem stuck on 2s. SC's are also far more interested in the PS10-11 game, while Regionals are finding PS8 works very well for them thank-you-very-much.

 

TLT Y-wings were PS 2.

 

U-boats are PS 3.

 

Things that beat U-boats are PS 4.  

 

Not so hard to see once you look at it that way.

 

Oh I understand that. My observation was that folks playing at SC's don't seem to notice as much, but it's definitely influencing Regionals.

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The last SC I played for the season was right after wave 8 dropped. I faced one PS 2 stresshog. My Gamma Sqds. blew it up before it even had a chance to fire. I knew then that the PS 2 Stresshog was pretty much dead. Even the PS 4 version has limited utility. Sure you can double stress a Scout, but he's still getting a torp off. More than likely two is all he'll need to blow the Y up. Then he's just got to fly that one away to clear stress or just send it in to block. A scout isn't like Soontir or other aces. Its not in a huge amount of trouble with two stress.

 

I for one am glad. Facing a stresshog or TLT heavy lists are not fun.

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