HAPPY GAME OF THRONES DAY!

[Dagonet 7,246]

The show kills people for shock value and ratings. Martin kills people to further the story.

There's a marked difference.

[heychadwick 11,357]

Yeah...and I get that it's hard to pull off the same story in the short tv show time vs. the books, but I just wish they slowed the tv show down a bit.  I mean, it's a hit show.  They could milk it for years.  Why not?

[TasteTheRainbow 8,726]

It was the wildlings who flipped out when they saw Shireen. They said she was death. That's why a bunch of fans, not me, have been hyping this idea of a showdown between wights and men with greyscale.

They cut out Aegon and Jon Connington, but added the greyscale back in. I think that tells us that the greyscale is the MOST important thing about that whole invading army. It's sad, but not entirely uncharacteristic for grrm.

[Timathius 2,152]

Yea summer dying was pretty meh in my opinion. 

 

I have feeling that Bran will reach out to Benjen in the past possibly to tell him where to be and when to save them. BACK TO THE FUTURE!

[TasteTheRainbow 8,726]

Hodor will die in a similar way in the books. Details vary, but he will die. That's according to the producers 2012-2013 conversations with grrm. It's possible he does some rewrites for some stuff, but most of the big iconic deaths came from the books. Barristan is the one huge exception.

I think it is very hard to say what events have real meaning and should have been in the show until both the show and books have concluded. The most important thing Robb did may have been just signing a paper.

Edited May 26, 2016 by TasteTheRainbow

[Timathius 2,152]

It was the wildlings who flipped out when they saw Shireen. They said she was death. That's why a bunch of fans, not me, have been hyping this idea of a showdown between wights and men with greyscale.

They cut out Aegon and Jon Connington, but added the greyscale back in. I think that tells us that the greyscale is the MOST important thing about that whole invading army. It's sad, but not entirely uncharacteristic for grrm.

 

it was really just Val who flipped out since she didn't want Shireen near her nephew and "Monster" 

 

But I think that the invading army will serve a couple more purposes than grey scale plague (which I really don't want to be a thing). They will bring Dorne into the war, possibly turn the Reach in on itself (or against the crown), if Loras is not near death on Dragonstone with Redwyne its entirely possible that they join Aegon once they hear from Mace that Marg is safe. 

[TasteTheRainbow 8,726]

Have you read the WoW chapter with Arianne? What dragons do you think that girl dreamed about? Dany v Aegon? Aegon v Jon? Tyrion v Aegon?

[heychadwick 11,357]

Yea summer dying was pretty meh in my opinion. 

 

 

That was the other death!  Yeah....I thought that was stupid.

 

They cut out Aegon and Jon Connington, but added the greyscale back in. I think that tells us that the greyscale is the MOST important thing about that whole invading army. It's sad, but not entirely uncharacteristic for grrm.

 

I think that army will do more than just add in greyscale.  I think it just adds to the layers of sublte stuff going on and will have a big impact.  

 

Timathius says it will bring Dorne into the war, but which side? I'm thinking against the Lannisters.  High Garden won't go against the Lannisters, though, as they have invested in the current power scheme.  It will probably be war with Connington and Dorne vs. High Garden and Lannister.  

 

Oh, and what's all that business with some random Red Priestess in the tv show?  I'm surprised it was another Priestess as it's a male in the book.  Well, if it's the same guy, that is.  

[TasteTheRainbow 8,726]

Well Arriane, the heir to Dorne in the books, is on her way to verify Aegon's identity. I think if they believe he really is Rhaegar's kid then they will throw in with him for sure. Plus Connington is sort of forcing Dorne's hand by forcing Arriane to be trapped at Storm's End in a siege from King's Landing. Once that siege is in place the Dornish armies will be forced to respond.

I don't think he is Rhaegar's kid, but I don't know how they would prove that. He's a Blackfyre. Grrm has invested WAY too much page space on that old rebellion for it to play no part. Plus he's using the golden company. They only exist because of various Blackfyres.

Edited May 26, 2016 by TasteTheRainbow

[TasteTheRainbow 8,726]

Yea summer dying was pretty meh in my opinion.

 

That was the other death!  Yeah....I thought that was stupid.

 

They cut out Aegon and Jon Connington, but added the greyscale back in. I think that tells us that the greyscale is the MOST important thing about that whole invading army. It's sad, but not entirely uncharacteristic for grrm.

 

I think that army will do more than just add in greyscale.  I think it just adds to the layers of sublte stuff going on and will have a big impact.  

 

Timathius says it will bring Dorne into the war, but which side? I'm thinking against the Lannisters.  High Garden won't go against the Lannisters, though, as they have invested in the current power scheme.  It will probably be war with Connington and Dorne vs. High Garden and Lannister.  

 

Oh, and what's all that business with some random Red Priestess in the tv show?  I'm surprised it was another Priestess as it's a male in the book.  Well, if it's the same guy, that is.

Yea I think she is a stand-in for that guy on Victarion's boat. Whatever ultimate purpose that guy serves I think she will fulfill it in the show.

Trivia: She has one of those anti-oldness necklaces as well. Does Moqorro have one in the books? I can't recall.

[heychadwick 11,357]

 

Trivia: She has one of those anti-oldness necklaces as well. Does Moqorro have one in the books? I can't recall.

 

 

He doesn't.  I don't think it's an anti-aging.  I think it's an illusion.  She's great with illusions, remember?

[TasteTheRainbow 8,726]

Trivia: She has one of those anti-oldness necklaces as well. Does Moqorro have one in the books? I can't recall.

 

He doesn't.  I don't think it's an anti-aging.  I think it's an illusion.  She's great with illusions, remember?

Well yea. I just want Moqorro to secretly be an ancient lady as well.

[Timathius 2,152]

Oh for sure Dorne against the Lannisters. Thought that was obvious sorry. With Nym and Tyene in KL ready to cut the heads off both the main powers there, they are in as good a position as they can be with their unspoiled armies (which is probably only larger than the iron islands in total man power)

 

So, there are the Tyrells and the Tyrells. I think that they know Cersei is going bat **** cray cray, at least Olenna does. So I think that she has a plan with Loras, Paxter Redwynne and Garlan in place.

 

1) Pretend Loras is dying/ dead so they can get the fleet back to the reach fast to stop Euron and retake the shields.

 

2) Mace has flat out said his army isn't moving without Marg, so as soon as they have her they can send her back to High garden to "re-cooperate" 

 

3) this means that the two people who are required to be in KL (Marg and Loras) now are safe.

 

4) the reason Cersei burns KL is because the Tyrells pull a Tywin and sack the city to hand over. AND everything comes full circle 

 

 Aegon being there makes their jump more likely than ever. Especially since I think a lot of the reach will go with or without the Tyrells. There is a huge essay on this at the tower of the hand I believe.

Edited May 26, 2016 by Timathius

[TasteTheRainbow 8,726]

I like it. But it adds another huge conglomerate of unnecessary armies. Who in the world could stand against Aegon's Golden Company, Dorne and the Tyrell's at once? Certainly not Cersei. They'll roll over KL like a hot broadsword through a tiny stick of butter. So what to do with this huge army afterwards as a writer?

Dany's new Khalasar(assuming book Dany pulls a similar move) + Unsullied is in the same situation. They are way more than enough to conquer KL. so does she fight Aegon(a likely Blackfyre pretender) for it?

Same with the Northern/Vale army.

What is grrm going to do with these three massive pieces?

[Timathius 2,152]

I like it. But it adds another huge conglomerate of unnecessary armies. Who in the world could stand against Aegon's Golden Company, Dorne and the Tyrell's at once? Certainly not Cersei. They'll roll over KL like a hot broadsword through a tiny stick of butter. So what to do with this huge army afterwards as a writer?

Dany's new Khalasar(assuming book Dany pulls a similar move) + Unsullied is in the same situation. They are way more than enough to conquer KL. so does she fight Aegon(a likely Blackfyre pretender) for it?

Same with the Northern/Vale army.

What is grrm going to do with these three massive pieces?

Battle of the Trident redux now with zombies!

 

Aegon interacting with Dany will be interesting. Not quite sure how that goes down but it could easily end poorly. 

[heychadwick 11,357]

What is grrm going to do with these three massive pieces?

 

I think that the Others in the north are going to become a much bigger problem soon.  Danny will probably be making her landing as the Others are turning into a huge issue.   Maybe Danny beats up on one faction, like defeating the Lannisters, then unites everyone else by taking the fight to the Others.  

[TasteTheRainbow 8,726]

What is grrm going to do with these three massive pieces?

 

I think that the Others in the north are going to become a much bigger problem soon.  Danny will probably be making her landing as the Others are turning into a huge issue.   Maybe Danny beats up on one faction, like defeating the Lannisters, then unites everyone else by taking the fight to the Others.

With a little help from her friend?

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/05/the-game-of-thrones-theory-to-end-all-game-of-thro.html

[Timathius 2,152]

The problem will be the Dothraki fighting in the snow/winter. Like what the hell are they even gonna do. 

 

Bran has some purpose to serve, but after that episode I began to think if he isnt the way to get the others through the wall. Then, not sure what he really does besides warg a dragon. But I don't really like that as its too obvious for GRRM. 

[TasteTheRainbow 8,726]

That theory above is probably true. The evidence is approaching R+L=J and TGNC levels of support. Bran's purpose then is to protect westeros against the Others...for the last 12,000 years.

[Timathius 2,152]

Yea, I can see that as well but I hope it isnt true. I hope that Bran realizes he can't mess around with time anymore. Mostly because I want 3ER to be BR because he is an interesting character, but also because it kind of cheapens everything. 

[DariusAPB 6,925]

With no OSHA, accidents causing injury and death will massively increase in winterfell.

[TasteTheRainbow 8,726]

Yea, I can see that as well but I hope it isnt true. I hope that Bran realizes he can't mess around with time anymore. Mostly because I want 3ER to be BR because he is an interesting character, but also because it kind of cheapens everything.

It's fairly confirmed in the books, right?

"I wore many names when I was quick, but even I had a mother, and the name she gave me at her breast was Brynden."

I think Bran told him to wait for Bran to come along and teach him. It's not that Bran is changing the past. It's that he is making sure he checks all the right boxes to make the world as he knows it should be.

[TasteTheRainbow 8,726]

The problem will be the Dothraki fighting in the snow/winter. Like what the hell are they even gonna do. 

 

Bran has some purpose to serve, but after that episode I began to think if he isnt the way to get the others through the wall. Then, not sure what he really does besides warg a dragon. But I don't really like that as its too obvious for GRRM.

So the Dothraki probably serve some other purpose. Maybe stewards of Slaver's Bay after Dany crosses the sea.

I thought about Bran accidentally bringing down the wall as well, but it seems like he is aware of that threat, at least in the show.

Any bets on Coldhands actually putting Bran in the cave JUST so that the Others could get in when he F'd up? Maybe Coldhands is a bad guy.

[Timathius 2,152]

Yea it is pretty close to confirmed, leaf also says somethings to suggest he is. 

 

I don't think Coldhands is a bad guy, I think he was actually animated by 3ER. 

 

Any thoughts on Frey pies maybe making it into the show? 

[heychadwick 11,357]

The problem will be the Dothraki fighting in the snow/winter. Like what the hell are they even gonna do. 

 

Bran has some purpose to serve, but after that episode I began to think if he isnt the way to get the others through the wall. Then, not sure what he really does besides warg a dragon. But I don't really like that as its too obvious for GRRM. 

 

The Dothraki are awesome light cavalry.  How do you counteract zombie infantry?  Light cav can be as fast as infantry that never sleeps when needing to get to places.  Also, they could probably rip through a horde of zombies.  

 

Yea, I can see that as well but I hope it isnt true. I hope that Bran realizes he can't mess around with time anymore. Mostly because I want 3ER to be BR because he is an interesting character, but also because it kind of cheapens everything. 

 

What point does Bran have?  Get through the wall?  Not look through time?  First off...why go through the wall?  It's been built to keep them out and why give up that defensive position?  I'm betting that's where the climactic battles happen.  

 

Next....Bran is a Green Seer.  What do they do?  They look into the future, past and present.  They know things.  They help out with information and help heroes make smart choices.  Of course he is going to travel through time.  It's just that he can't spend all his time in the past.  That was the danger.  Don't lose yourself just watching the past.  Bran is going to tell people what is going on at different places in real time.  He's also going to be able to tell what's the back ground with everything that we don't know.  He'll probably be the one to tell us who Jon's parents are.  Bran will also probably figure out the weak point in the Others' so that Danny can finally defeat them.  

 

Any bets on Coldhands actually putting Bran in the cave JUST so that the Others could get in when he F'd up? Maybe Coldhands is a bad guy. 

 

No, Coldhands is Ben Stark.