You be the judge... Please help us settle this

[Phillipsosophy 16]

Yes or no? Can the MC80 fire into the front arc of the VSD? Please see attached photos. Thanks for helping us figure this out!

[TheEasternKing 607]

Yes or no? Can the MC80 fire into the front arc of the VSD? Please see attached photos. Thanks for helping us figure this out!

 

Hmm, it seems your opponent is extending his arc out beyond his base?

 

That is not how the fire arc's work for the target of an attack, all you need to do is verify the ship is in your side arc, it clearly is, then you get that ruler, place it on your yellow dot, and on the yellow dot on his front arc, so long as the ruler does not cross his arc line on the card itself, you can see that hull zone to shoot at it.

 

So yes in that picture you have clear unobstructed LoS to his front hull zone, and his side hull zone.

[Phillipsosophy 16]

Yes or no? Can the MC80 fire into the front arc of the VSD? Please see attached photos. Thanks for helping us figure this out!

 

Hmm, it seems your opponent is extending his arc out beyond his base?

 

That is not how the fire arc's work for the target of an attack, all you need to do is verify the ship is in your side arc, it clearly is, then you get that ruler, place it on your yellow dot, and on the yellow dot on his front arc, so long as the ruler does not cross his arc line on the card itself, you can see that hull zone to shoot at it.

 

So yes in that picture you have clear unobstructed LoS to his front hull zone, and his side hull zone.

Thanks!

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

Side of MC80 to front of VSD. Absolutely yes.

[Ginkapo 9,321]

The VSD can also shoot the side of the mc80, but its a lot tighter.

Is the side in the VSD front arc? Yes, just.

Is it in range? No idea from the photo

Has it got LOS? Yellow dot to yellow does not cross any other vsd hull zone, so yes.

Is it obstructed? Nope, so full dice pool.

[Green Knight 9,746]

To the original question, can the MC80 fire at the VSD front: a resounding YES!

 

You are, however, measuring like it's the VSD checking for arc on the MC80 side, so it's a little confusing.

[Rocmistro 1,090]

Um...absolutely yes.  What possible argument could or did the opponent make that the MC80's side hull zone could not shoot at the Vic's front hull zone?

[jpersons73 86]

you asked the wrong question, it was not the MC80 firing into my hull. It was can the X-wing that was close to the blue range finder can fire into the forward hull from where it was at. At this time the MC80 firing was not the question. It was can the xwing fire into the forward hull

Edited April 6, 2016 by jpersons73

[Drasnighta 26,832]

In regards to that Measure (X-Wing).  Yes.

 

You measure Range and LOS from the "Closest Point of the Squadron Base".  This is most easily done by aiming the range-ruler over the Center-Post of the Squadron Base and towards the Enemy...  

 

 

 

So long as it is within range, it is allowed...  (Can't tell range easily)

 

 

In return, if the Victory Star Destroyer was shooting its Front arc, you would have to see wether that Range ruler crosses the Squadron's base (it looks like it does) - and if it does, it can shoot.

 

 

It would be entirely plausable to have a situation where Someone can shoot at your Front Arc, and you would be unable to fire back with that Arc...

Edited April 6, 2016 by Drasnighta

[jpersons73 86]

In regards to that Measure (X-Wing).  Yes.

 

You measure Range and LOS from the "Closest Point of the Squadron Base".  This is most easily done by aiming the range-ruler over the Center-Post of the Squadron Base and towards the Enemy...  

 

 

 

So long as it is within range, it is allowed...  (Can't tell range easily)

 

 

In return, if the Victory Star Destroyer was shooting its Front arc, you would have to see wether that Range ruler crosses the Squadron's base (it looks like it does) - and if it does, it can shoot.

 

 

It would be entirely plausable to have a situation where Someone can shoot at your Front Arc, and you would be unable to fire back with that Arc...

This was he activated Xwing, moved xwing to it current location (the one close to touching the range stick) and then wanted to fire into the forward hull of the VSD. While I disagreed he could make that shot I did let it happen

[Drasnighta 26,832]

 

In regards to that Measure (X-Wing).  Yes.

 

You measure Range and LOS from the "Closest Point of the Squadron Base".  This is most easily done by aiming the range-ruler over the Center-Post of the Squadron Base and towards the Enemy...  

 

 

 

So long as it is within range, it is allowed...  (Can't tell range easily)

 

 

In return, if the Victory Star Destroyer was shooting its Front arc, you would have to see wether that Range ruler crosses the Squadron's base (it looks like it does) - and if it does, it can shoot.

 

 

It would be entirely plausable to have a situation where Someone can shoot at your Front Arc, and you would be unable to fire back with that Arc...

This was he activated Xwing, moved xwing to it current location (the one close to touching the range stick) and then wanted to fire into the forward hull of the VSD. While I disagreed he could make that shot I did let it happen

 

 

 

He is closer to the Front than he is the Side...  There is a Clear Line of Sight between the X-Wing and the Front Arc, as drawn from the closest point of his base to your Yellow-Arc Dot.

 

If, however, when you draw the line from the closest point of the Squadron Base, To the Yellow Dot on the Forward Arc, and it crossed the Side Arc, THAT would be an Illegal Shot.

 

Your Firing Arc is Your Firing Arc.  Your Enemy is not beholden to your Firing Arc.  You are Beholden to it.

 

The wrong measurement is being shown with the stick.

[Drasnighta 26,832]

Remember what you need to do to establish a shot:

 

Range:

The Closest point of your Arc needs to be in Range of the Target Hull Zone.

 

LOS:

A Clear Line of Sight must be drawn from your LOS dot to their LOS Dot, without crossing another Non-Target Enemy Hull Zone.

 

 

 

A Squadron shooting modifies things these ways:

The "Arc" is 360 Degrees.

The "LOS Dot" is actually the Closest Point of their Base.

 

 

If you Satisfy those, there is no reason you can't make that shot.

[jpersons73 86]

thanks for the clarification. The shot did happen into the forward hull of the VSD so we did carry out the correct attack

[Drasnighta 26,832]

Glad it got sorted

[Rocmistro 1,090]

you asked the wrong question, it was not the MC80 firing into my hull. It was can the X-wing that was close to the blue range finder can fire into the forward hull from where it was at. At this time the MC80 firing was not the question. It was can the xwing fire into the forward hull

 

Assuming he is within range 1, yes, he can. It's unclear if he (the x wing) is at range 1 of the Vic's front hull zone based on the information we have in the picture.

[Rocmistro 1,090]

Sorry. I see Drasnighta already got this fully answered.  That's what happens when you hit the "quote" reply, then get caught up in a work project and don't come back for several hours.

 

Who won?

[Phillipsosophy 16]

Sorry. I see Drasnighta already got this fully answered.  That's what happens when you hit the "quote" reply, then get caught up in a work project and don't come back for several hours.

 

Who won?

I won this one (reb fleet).

[jpersons73 86]

 

Sorry. I see Drasnighta already got this fully answered.  That's what happens when you hit the "quote" reply, then get caught up in a work project and don't come back for several hours.

 

Who won?

I won this one (reb fleet).

 

It went down to the final ship for both sides. As many of our games have gone as of late. Next up for us is to start playing the objective cards