Is this a judgment a TO can make?

[Rapture 499]

(7) Just so that I have this correct, some of you are actually saying that if, for example, a Rebel Captive were accidentally misplayed, the person who benefited from the accidental misplay must be assigned a game loss. Is that correct? Are you sticking with that?

If that person presented his opponent with reprinted rules for Rebel Captive that were misleading (particularly as opposed to presenting the actual card), then yes. It is one thing for players to forget something midgame, but that is a different situation entirely.

Edit: I will say that the appropriate remedy really depends on the impact. But, if neither player is sure what the extent the error had, the the offending players needs to be the one that takes the hit.

Edited March 29, 2016 by Rapture

[Rinehart 684]

This topic is off the rails.

 

The original question raised was "Can a T.O. allow a player to only bring a list of components instead of the actual cards?"

 

The answer is no. This is covered by the Tournament Rules, (quoted earlier by another member) under Player Materials, page 3. 

 

And this was not what actually happened. The player did have the cards so his list was legal for play.

 

Both players referenced a card text and misinterpreted its intent and misplayed it. They then had a T.O. over to correct the error.

 

Now both players are unhappy as a result.

 

Treat this as a learning example.

 

I don't think having the cards somewhere other than on the table counts as having the cards.

[ScottieATF 2,867]

Yes.

If you misplay one of your abilities, to your benefit, because of a non-standard game aid that you brought was misleading as to the actual ability text, then you should be penalized for it. I'm confused as to how that is a startling concept. Your opponent allowed you to misplay an ability because the reference you gave him was incomplete.

Edited March 29, 2016 by ScottieATF

[Vorpal Sword 14,685]

Yes.

If you misplay one of your abilities, to your benefit, because of a non-standard game aid that you brought was misleading as to the actual ability text, then you should be penalized for it. I'm confused as to how that is a startling concept. Your opponent allowed you to misplay an ability because the reference you gave him was incomplete.

The reference was incomplete, and neither player remembered the actual text of the card, and the opposing player didn't ask for the actual card to check.

 

Don't get me wrong: I think this is an excellent object lesson for everyone about exactly why you should always have the actual cards at hand during a tournament match. But the intent of the offending player appears to have been to provide a complete, accurate, and concise description of the game elements in his list--so he was wrong, but not evil.

 

Treat this as a learning example.

 

 

Yup.

[WickedGrey 982]

The reference was incomplete,

I'm not certain if that's even true; if it's the same list/printout as the one I saw the week earlier, then it all fit on one page. YASB doesn't make a strong demarcation between upgrades, though:

I think it'd be easy to let that last, crucial line get lumped in with the next paragraph when scanning it. If that's the case, it's down to reading comprehension, pure and simple.

Jeff, do you have a cell phone shot of the page(s) in question?

[Jeff Wilder 5,326]

Sure, I'll post it later, Eli. But you've basically got it ... the last line was separated by white space from the rest of the text, it's worded and formatted differently from other upgrades with the same limitation, and it just kinda blended in with the next upgrade (which was Advanced Sensors, which I would never need to reference). Combined with never having actually run Opportunist prior to (or since) the previous Saturday, and I just missed the line. (As did my opponent, who also looked it up online.)

 

EDIT: This is the actual physical sheet I used:  https://boardgamegeek.com/image/2954714/jeff-wilder

Edited March 30, 2016 by Jeff Wilder

[Sergovan 1,440]

 

I don't think having the cards somewhere other than on the table counts as having the cards.

 

 

If they are with you at the game, whether it is beside you, in a stack, or laid out to take up as much extra table space as possible the fact is is that they have to be present and legal versions. 

 

In this particular case both players referenced sources other than the card itself. One from the list he had made up and the other from looking it up from another online source. For other players reading this what you should do is ask to see the card. I would. If the player couldn't produce it I have a case for a T.O. to deal with and maybe an early break from the game.

 

Personally, I bring a clear card sheet with my squad in it, but I find it hard to place it on the table as it takes up a chunk of space, especially when the table gets filled up and encroached upon from the players around me. I've also tried to go with a 1 x 9 modified card sheet (I cut it into 3 strips of 3 card slots and taped them end to end) that takes up much less room and that works out better. I did that for worlds as I was concerned about table space and it worked.