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App is to versione 1.02

Yep, no more imps going wild.

 

 

So Daddy Imps can rest easy their daughters wont be embarrassing them the next time they go to their local country club...

 

I had broodwalkers many times myself, so, they ARE used, no doubt about it.

 

Lucky! I've had Bone Horrors x 3, Reanimates once with Ardus Ix'Erebus, and Skeleton Archers twice. LOTS of Zombies though. No Broodwalkers so far...

 

Does anyone know if Agents always spawn with a fixed monster group? I have everything released so far, but I've noticed that Agents spawn with monsters from their expansions (Ardus Ix'Erebus with Reanimates, Tristayne Olliven with Ynfernal Hulk, very very cool). Serena (with Volucrix Reavers) invaded a game where I was using Serena as a Hero and the flavor text acknowledged this and she targeted Serena right away and for most of her activations she kept trying to kill her like an evil possessed doppelganger (reminded me of Dark/ Shadow Link from Legend of Zelda, very cool!).

 

This does make me wonder, what if you happen to have a Plot Deck but not the expansion that compliments it? Say I decided to buy Valyndra, because her mini is awesome, but I don't own Lair of the Wyrm, what monster group spawns? Does anyone know from firsthand experience?

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Tested this Luijod. The lieutenants spawn with a monster of specific type. Example: Lord Merick Farrow always spawn with monsters of the "fire" type - fire imps, elemental, hellhound, etc. The same system is used in the open groups.

Serena maybe spawn with a wild monster type (her spawn with a Ettin for me).

Massive lieutenants spawn alone in my play sessions at this time. What I need confirm is the case of some special activations and skills of monsters groups only pops up with a specific condition type.

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Does anyone know if Agents always spawn with a fixed monster group? I have everything released so far, but I've noticed that Agents spawn with monsters from their expansions (Ardus Ix'Erebus with Reanimates, Tristayne Olliven with Ynfernal Hulk, very very cool). Serena (with Volucrix Reavers) invaded a game where I was using Serena as a Hero and the flavor text acknowledged this and she targeted Serena right away and for most of her activations she kept trying to kill her like an evil possessed doppelganger (reminded me of Dark/ Shadow Link from Legend of Zelda, very cool!).

 

This does make me wonder, what if you happen to have a Plot Deck but not the expansion that compliments it? Say I decided to buy Valyndra, because her mini is awesome, but I don't own Lair of the Wyrm, what monster group spawns? Does anyone know from firsthand experience?

 

 

Well, I think there are fixed open groups, as kraisto says. However, they also spawn with some themathically monsters too (even from outside their expansions) I remember Baron Zachareth appearing along with Dark Priests. Those are not even from an expansion. I saw an image too where Belthir spawned along with Hybrid Sentinels (let me look for it).

 

But yeah, you can see that agents spawn along with monsters that could fit thematically to them.

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Some Agents always spawn alone (Valyndra, Queen Ariad, Bol'Goreth, Mirklace and Skarn), others have 2 variable groups (and some special text in the case of Raythen and Serena if the hero is part of the game).

 

Each Agent has 1 group he spawns with, if a certain expansion is owned, and another group which is compatible with just the base set.

 

For example, if you own "Guardians of Deephall", Zachareth will spawn with some "Dark Priests", if you don´t own this expansion, he will spawn with "Flesh Moulders".

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I have so much love for everything I'm reading!

 

You guys probably don't remember, but I was harping on and on back in the "Waiting For RtL to Drop Like Impatient, Petulant Children Thread", about how much I was looking forward to Lieutenant and Agents being included in the co-op format. So far they've made this Dwarf very happy!

 

I just know that when my first agent invaded, Trystane Olliven with his minion Ynfernal Hulk, everyone in our group was like "shiii... just got real folks!"

 

I've had Trystane, Serena & Ardus so far, with the first two showing up twice already. Looking forward to seeing the rest, even though I will most assuredly be boned.

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At this point the CK is obsolete, so it's not surprising it's not included. The CK was just there until updated versions for 2.0 were released. Plop down the cash for H&Ms, update your collection and stop being mad at FFG

I guess I'll just chuck my original copy of Descent in the bin to buy all of the same content again - despite already buying a kit that apparently meant that none of that content was obsolete.

Yeah - Imagine being 'mad' at them for that?!

Way to support your long term fans FFG.

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At this point the CK is obsolete, so it's not surprising it's not included. The CK was just there until updated versions for 2.0 were released. Plop down the cash for H&Ms, update your collection and stop being mad at FFG

I guess I'll just chuck my original copy of Descent in the bin to buy all of the same content again - despite already buying a kit that apparently meant that none of that content was obsolete.

Yeah - Imagine being 'mad' at them for that?!

Way to support your long term fans FFG.

 

 

I get the frustration - but at the same time - those conversion kit heroes needed some tweaking. That tweaking was done with the Hero/Monster kits. At some point they just needed to move forward and call it.

 

2e came out what - 4 years ago? So 4 years of support for the previous edition isn't bad. Additionally - you can still use them all you like with non-app content - no one stopping you there!

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The conversion kit was not sold as a "Stop Gap" while they sorted their **** out.

 

I'm not buying the H&M kits because it's a repackaging of content I already own (and was apparently brought into 2nd Ed with the conversion kit).

In fact, the H&M kits were pitched as a "Hey, If you missed this content the first time - here's your chance to buy it"

 

So I'm left with a choice of either not using all of this content that I already own - rebuying content I already own - or not using the app.

 

I'm normally very impressed with FFGs customer support - this feels like they're shitting on their long standing fans in order to force them to buy the new version of the same content.

Colour me - Unimpressed.

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The conversion kit was not sold as a "Stop Gap" while they sorted their **** out.

 

I'm not buying the H&M kits because it's a repackaging of content I already own (and was apparently brought into 2nd Ed with the conversion kit).

In fact, the H&M kits were pitched as a "Hey, If you missed this content the first time - here's your chance to buy it"

 

So I'm left with a choice of either not using all of this content that I already own - rebuying content I already own - or not using the app.

 

I'm normally very impressed with FFGs customer support - this feels like they're shitting on their long standing fans in order to force them to buy the new version of the same content.

Colour me - Unimpressed.

 

I have the conversion kit. I also have every H&M pack released so the kit is pointless for me now. The CK was obviously a stop-gap, but is still viable. I completely disagree about them "shitting" on their long term fans. As has been stated 47,000 times before in this thread and others: they haven't gimped ANYTHING they've released before. They've simply released a new expansion that introduces a new way to play and enjoy the game. This new way is only compatible with the more balanced expansions, of which the CK is decidedly not a part of. In short, the game has outgrown the CK. As was stated before it's been 4ish years since that came out. That being said, your conversion kit isn't obsolete just because the app was released. It's just not compatible with this particular expansion. And hating on FFG for wanting to move more product while giving us a really cool new way to play the game seems silly. The rage at FFG's audacity in introducing this app and only supporting the more balanced expansions is a bit ridiculous.

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The conversion kit was not sold as a "Stop Gap" while they sorted their **** out.

 

I'm not buying the H&M kits because it's a repackaging of content I already own (and was apparently brought into 2nd Ed with the conversion kit).

In fact, the H&M kits were pitched as a "Hey, If you missed this content the first time - here's your chance to buy it"

 

So I'm left with a choice of either not using all of this content that I already own - rebuying content I already own - or not using the app.

 

I'm normally very impressed with FFGs customer support - this feels like they're shitting on their long standing fans in order to force them to buy the new version of the same content.

Colour me - Unimpressed.

First off, I don't want to be mean or troll you or anything. This is just MY opinion. (I write this because after reading my text again it sounded .... really rude and mean. I tried to rewrite it, but it's not sounding better.... I hope you understand that I didn't intend to sound like that or makeing fun of you or anything. (My native language isn't english as you probably already guessed from my writing and grammar.)

 

"Hey, If you missed this content the first time - here's your chance to buy it": I don't get that one, I never got the vibe from FFG that they were just a silly reprint... they said (if I remember correctly) a few times, Descent 2nd edition is a completely new game. Also if this was really their intend, wouldn't it have been strange that in the H&M kit the monsters and heros were rebalanced?

 

 

"I'm normally very impressed with FFGs customer support - this feels like they're shitting on their long standing fans in order to force them to buy the new version of the same content.

Colour me - Unimpressed.": I totally don't aggree with you... I mean 2nd edition is a completely different game. It's not like anybody would say stuff like:

 

I own call of duty 10, so why do I have to pay the full price for the 11th one? (even if they used the same engine and the same character models)

Nobody complains on PC games when you buy a standard version of the game and a "gold edition" or whatever comes out and you can't buy the new content as dlc and are forced to buy the whole game a second time if you want to have it.

Or if you bought a "normal" Monopoly you wouldn't be angry that you have to pay the full price for a different themed Monopoly (there are a lot of them out there... and they are (I think at least) from the same company).

Or if you have to pay the full price for Star Wars 2 even though you bought the DVD of the first movie...

 

I know these compairsons sound silly but think about it: Is there any industry that handles their products like you seem to want FFG to do it? You compare two completely different products with the same theme (--> Descent) and complain you don't get one for free because you own the other one?

I never thought of 1st edition and 2nd edition as being the same game...maybe that's why your point on the topic sounds so strange to me but on the other hand I don't know how it's handeld normally in the board game industry...

I always thought of the "2nd edition" more like a marketing thing and it's more like a Descent II and not a "real reprint with some new rules" or anything like that.

 

The only thing I think FFG should have done better is saying from the start (at best even on the box of the Conversion Kit) "these will be all remade for Descent 2nd Edition, and not be part of the game in the long run" or something like that.

Maybe that's what you are complaining about and I totally didn't get your point. If I still sound rude/stuip/mean to you, I apologise, but as stated in the begining I read over this comment over and over again... and I don't seem to get a better tone with it :(

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I shouldn't because it's out of topic.. but here is the FFG description of CK which is sold at 30$ (yet ?)

"The Descent: Journeys in the Dark Second Edition Conversion Kit includes everything you need to transfer your first edition heroes and monsters to second edition.

With Second Edition-compatible cards for every monster and hero ever produced (including promotional heroes!), this convenient conversion kit is an indispensable tool. So whether you want to bring your extensive Descent collection with you on new adventures, or you’ve got a favorite hero that you choose every time, we’ve got you covered."

In short if I use you example Kaisho it's more like :
  the company sold us call of duty 10.. and a pack (let's say for 30$ ;-) ) that have some new characters for call of duty 11th.. but some time after they told us :
ey you know what? we have redone the Characters in cod 11th and your's can not be used anymore .. and implying : you should buy the updated ones which are sold on 10 packs of (let's say ;-) ) 35$ each !!)
where many Characters have now a yellow shirt instead of a blue one !?

 

I think it's more like this that Macnme is feeling
And so resumed it's "I have payed for wind! because I can't use what I have payed for !"

Beware the same thing is probably going to happen again if what I suppose happens!
Most of the users have bough the first Base Box (with TSR), and then the Heirs of Blood Book... probably Kaisho you are amoung those..
How do you will feel if FFG sells a new TSR book that will make the actual one obsolete and it's can not be used whithout buying the new one for the price of a third of the base box ?!

As a player from the start having liked and supported the game I don't find correct that we have to pay more than newcomers because FFG in order to avoid complains about balance issues, makes material obsolete and unusable by selling new versions.. always during the same version of the game !
From my point of view it's something they should give in the FAQ, or have some pack/discount for people having already payed for the old material !


By the way English as it can easyly be seen it's not my native language either !! ;-P
I hope that it's yet understandable !

 

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Again, you cannot use them for only one product, they still compatible with every other expansion released and the next ones. With the conversion kit, you paid to have access to exclusive content for four years and that most of the new players are only now having access to the almost fullest extent. I do not see it as money thrown out ....

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So this argument seems to boil down to I should be able to use all of the things I bought for Descent 1st Edition with all the things for 2nd Edition. And here we are about 4 years later, and NOW something has come out that is not "compatible" with the Conversion Kit and somehow FFG is the DEVIL!

 

Look if you want to accuse FFG of being greedy, as any company is lets be honest, then trash them for giving us tokens to represent Lieutenant Miniatures when they could have easily included them in their respective boxes. Plot decks could've been sold as their own entity or in packs.

 

FFG are not saints, but they are in no way "MONSTERS" for prioritizing 2nd Edition Content for their 2nd Edition Road to Legend App. They provided a cool, customer friendly alternative for their legacy players. Something that would actually hurt their future sales of H & M Collections, which are products... which you know... is the reason they're in business, to make money...

 

Now while you can still use your conversion kit (which I own a copy of despite never owning 1st Edition, I just used proxy figures) in every other aspect of this game except the app...

 

...but wait a minute. Who says you can't use the Conversion Kit? Why maybe if you looked at FFG website you'd see the very images of the monster cards they are selling available for you to see before you purchase. Perhaps you could, I dunno, do a LITTLE WORK to make notes of the differences in the upgraded, balanced, Heroes and Monsters and still use your precious outdated minis from 1st Ed.

 

Or seeing as this app is pretty open ended to player interpretation, you can play your hero and Monsters from the Conversion Kit with their stats as is.

 

I'm sorry, you say but I don't have Crow Hags and Dark Minotaurs? Well since they are new monsters you can purchase... oh you want those for free too?

 

WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT! Right there on the news page, previews of these monsters, giving away the information which is part of their product. RIGHT THERE ON THE OFFICIAL FFG SITE!!!

 

My goodness, FFG really are just a cabal of evil bastards looking to **** all over their fan base!!! This is truly a miscarriage of justice!!!

 

BTW, I am also not a native English speaker, but unlike my friend Kaisho above, I am actually trying to be a sarcastic mean spirited asshloe. Perhaps in using a tone similar to yours you can see what a silly, pedantic argument you're making. Have a nice day!

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BTW, I am also not a native English speaker, but unlike my friend Kaisho above, I am actually trying to be a sarcastic mean spirited asshloe. Perhaps in using a tone similar to yours you can see what a silly, pedantic argument you're making. Have a nice day!

 

I wish I could like your post twice for this part alone.

 

Also someone has already done the work for the heroes.

https://boardgamegeek.com/article/22851284#22851284

 

Enjoy.

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Well I can't help it, it's like mean spirited stupidity is the "Puny Little Man Banner" to my anger's "Hulk"

 

Now I'm sure people will be waiving their fingers at me, but I truly feel that his argument is without merit. I'll try to behave now...

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The conversion kit was not sold as a "Stop Gap" while they sorted their **** out.

 

I'm not buying the H&M kits because it's a repackaging of content I already own (and was apparently brought into 2nd Ed with the conversion kit).

In fact, the H&M kits were pitched as a "Hey, If you missed this content the first time - here's your chance to buy it"

 

So I'm left with a choice of either not using all of this content that I already own - rebuying content I already own - or not using the app.

 

I'm normally very impressed with FFGs customer support - this feels like they're shitting on their long standing fans in order to force them to buy the new version of the same content.

Colour me - Unimpressed.

Imo you are completely wrong on this.

 

CK was pitched as "If you want to use your 1st ed miniatures in 2nd Ed., this is the way to do it"

 

H&M packs were pitched as "We updated and reimagined the 1st ed content to match 2ed aesthetics."

 

H&M packs do not just repack the stuff you already have, it features completely different miniatuers and the monsters and heroes have been updated to better fit into Descent 2ed. (A few fine tunings in stats and rework of abilities to fit the Descent 2ed style of every monster has a unique ability and a specific niche were they excell at). These packs are not just new versions of old content, but reworked content with new artwork/minitures. Also they released 2 completely new monstergroups in this format.

 

So in no way you are purchasing things you already own (like I said the miniatures are completly redone and look 10times as good as 1ed stuff and even the monster/hero stats and skills have been reimagined to fit into 2ed).

 

Also you practically can use all your stuff for the app minus 4 monstergroups, you just need to add all H&M packs to your collection minus the 2 with the new monsters. If the app instructs you to use specail abilities that are new, just look them up on google. As far as I know, only Kobolds, Ogres, Firehounds and Bloodapes/Wendigos (2x1->2x2) got fundamental changes that heavily influences AI commands.

 

Heroes got changed a lot, but I'm quite certain that the app doesn't really care what heroes you use.

 

Did I understand this correctly: You don't try the app, because you think you can't use your CK with it?

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Most of the users have bough the first Base Box (with TSR), and then the Heirs of Blood Book... probably Kaisho you are amoung those..

How do you will feel if FFG sells a new TSR book that will make the actual one obsolete and it's can not be used whithout buying the new one for the price of a third of the base box ?!

Ok... now I feel like a complete fanboy. I wrote in one thread in the forum I would totally buy a new reworked Shadow Rune campaign book... :P

 

I do actually understand what you want to say though. It just never occured to me that somebody could think of it that way.

 

In short if I use you example Kaisho it's more like :

  the company sold us call of duty 10.. and a pack (let's say for 30$ ;-) ) that have some new characters for call of duty 11th.. but some time after they told us :

ey you know what? we have redone the Characters in cod 11th and your's can not be used anymore .. and implying : you should buy the updated ones which are sold on 10 packs of (let's say ;-) ) 35$ each !!)

where many Characters have now a yellow shirt instead of a blue one !?

I would it compare more to this kind of situation:

 

- a company sold us call of duty 10 and a pack for 30$ with special characters for call of duty 11 base game, because if not you would still play the old "call of duty 10" and not the "better" game (some people still call 1st edition of Descent a better game than the 2nd edition.... different taste I guess?)

- now the company releases call of duty 11 and we get our characters and use them for a few years

- after some years they give us a new dlc which introduces new game mods... some are free and some will have a price... and you are not allowed to use your call of duty 10 special characters for that because they are incompatible with the newer version... which you simply don't have to buy/install if you don't want to (some seem to forget, nobody forces you to use the app)

- they do howerver give you an option to get completely reworked models (new minis) and balanced characters which are almost the same to the old ones if you pay them for that extra work they put in

 

In this way you could argue they were trying to screw us over, because they could just have reworked them and let us have them as a download...

 

But in the case of FFG it's different. They can't just give us mini's for free, because they would have to spend much money to make and send them out... they also can't give us a digital version to 3d print the new minis, because the internet is full of piracy and nobody seems to care about copyright... the same is true for the cards and character sheets.

And if you say: they could let us at least download and print everything except the minis then I can only say: you can get the "updated" monster cards and hero sheets on the wiki or even here in the FFG forum... they are posted like all over the place.

 

If this is not a reasonable way for you, then there is sadly NOTHING FFG could have done to let the game be played as it is intended: with the balanced heros and monster. They could say: well... wecan't sell new minis because someone could feel screwed over so let's make everything compatible with everything.... but would you really enjoy a game poorly made as that? I would (most likely) not. At least not if I know the better version (which I do... I own almost every H&M and Lieutenant pack).

 

Before anyone says stuff like: well they could have added the Conversion Kit to the game I disagree:

The collection in the app is a way to show the products available for old and new players which they could purchase to increase their fun with Descend 2nd edition. With some of the old Heros and Monster versions that's not really possible, because they ARE unbalanced (and thus later changed). If the Conversion Kit was on that list, the next topic wouldn't be how FFG screwed us over because of the conversion kit not being in the app but because it IS in it....

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First of all this will be my last post in off topic mode !
 

 

BTW, I am also not a native English speaker, but unlike my friend Kaisho above, I am actually trying to be a sarcastic mean spirited asshloe.

 

lol

sarcastic for sure but sorry if don't go for you last word ! indeed I don't use such words against nobody !!
 

 

Perhaps in using a tone similar to yours you can see what a silly, pedantic argument you're making.

My tone? perhaps I didn't expressed correctly due to my very bad English.. but I only tried to explain why some people could be unhappy because the CK is beeing put asside.
Your tone with a lot of Uppercases on the other hand.. but let's forget ! I think we are civilised people that can speak and exchange points of views without going to what's could be percieved as attacks !

 

So what's silly in my argument?

When someone buys something broken be it mini's, rules or whatever material, I think most people's reactions is to go for the shop and have a new one unbroken!
Here I understand FFG could not print a new CK without losing a lot of money! OK !

And I never asked for a free H&M pack of for the new minis! I understand also that the H&M packs cost money and we have to pay for the minis, new quest and so on..
What I could ask is for an unbroken CK ! how? easily done ... with a new paragraph on the FAQ saying some think like CK here are the new stats for Monsters / Heroes, just the text is enought!

Some powers and Quest all over the Descent line have been erated because they where broken .. why not for the CK ? is this really so stupid and 'pedantic' to think like that???

Some will say that those that need the info could already find this info, for example with the link provided by quartersmostly..
But somewhere it's not leagal even if again I'm OK every one is free to do what it wants..

But suppose we have this easily done FAQ... what will then be the difference between the CK and the H&M excluding the new monsters .. 3 monsters mini whose base as been changed and 12 heros that are yet missing.. nothing more !

So why not have the CK in the app, it's something also easyly done ??? for 3 monster bases that are different? sorry from my point of view this is a poor argument.. and ok let's say the 12 missing heroes will never be done again and there is unbalanced due to them or the different monster bases...
Why not put a message in the app when clinking on the CK : "Beware some balance issues can probably arrive, FFG don't will give support to any of these heroes!" ?
After all only the name/main type (perhaps stats) of heroes are coded in the app and for the monsters it's only the name and powers.
In this way no need to work around and those clicking the CK will never have the new monsters !

For those that don't have the CK is no impact !

 

 

By the way the CK is not a first Edition product it's a Second ! there is no minis in it.. OK and so? does this make a difference with the others products of the 2nd Edition.. from my point of view it shouldn't !
because it's and old 2nd Edition product it can be put aside? ..OK
let's keep and imagine the future the Shadow Rune is broken, a new one will be done with new updates and no FAQ for those having bought the first base box.. OK..
Then and the first Lieutenants pack are also old and now less powerfull and unbalanced ... they will do new ones making the old ones obsolet and removing them from the app (why not).
and after Logan is too poverfull so let's make another H&M Packs v2 for Descent Second edition and again the old ones could be forgoten ?
Why won't FFG do that? if people continue to buy every thing without questioning... why should they stop ?!

It's exaggeration ... but sorry from my point of view they have started on this path...

Off course FFG are not "MONSTERS", (greedy probably like all companies ;-) ) but it's not because we buy their products we must be happy with all their doings.. and way of doing it!
They could have done the 2nd Edition without ever doing the CK and just give the Updated on the H&M packs.. I would not have reacted as I actually do! this I would have find correct.
They could also have done the CK and H&M Packs with only new Heroes and Monsters, this also I find correct.
But companies that sells something for a line of product and knowingly makes new products that are updates/corrections that make obsolete old produts of the same line and you have to buy the new product to have a good product and not a broken one.. again sorry but I don't find this correct !
If I where even more paranoiaque than I am ;-)
I could even question my self if the monsters base modifications are really a designers/balance choice or some marketings' one...

And probably you don't understand my thinking it's OK I'm not here to convince anyone my is the right way, I don't have this pretention !!
I write all this so people could see how and why I think so and perhaps some other people like me ....

 

 

 

 

Most of the users have bough the first Base Box (with TSR), and then the Heirs of Blood Book... probably Kaisho you are amoung those..

How do you will feel if FFG sells a new TSR book that will make the actual one obsolete and it's can not be used whithout buying the new one for the price of a third of the base box ?!

Ok... now I feel like a complete fanboy. I wrote in one thread in the forum I would totally buy a new reworked Shadow Rune campaign book... :P

 

I do actually understand what you want to say though. It just never occured to me that somebody could think of it that way.

Most probably I will buy it too but I understand that people could not be happy with this way of doing things ;-)

 

 

some people still call 1st edition of Descent a better game than the 2nd edition.... different taste I guess?

 

Yes! because it's different games each one with it's good points and bad points, each one with it's flavor!
I for example am currently play both Editions (you can even add IA to the list ;-P ) but with differents groups with different feelings and different goals ... but always for fun !! ;-P
 

 

 


In short if I use you example Kaisho it's more like :

  the company sold us call of duty 10.. and a pack (let's say for 30$ ;-) ) that have some new characters for call of duty 11th.. but some time after they told us :
ey you know what? we have redone the Characters in cod 11th and your's can not be used anymore .. and implying : you should buy the updated ones which are sold on 10 packs of (let's say ;-) ) 35$ each !!)
where many Characters have now a yellow shirt instead of a blue one !?

I would it compare more to this kind of situation:

 

- a company sold us call of duty 10 and a pack for 30$ with special characters for call of duty 11 base game, because if not you would still play the old "call of duty 10" and not the "better" game (some people still call 1st edition of Descent a better game than the 2nd edition.... different taste I guess?)

- now the company releases call of duty 11 and we get our characters and use them for a few years

- after some years they give us a new dlc which introduces new game mods... some are free and some will have a price... and you are not allowed to use your call of duty 10 special characters for that because they are incompatible with the newer version... which you simply don't have to buy/install if you don't want to (some seem to forget, nobody forces you to use the app)

- they do howerver give you an option to get completely reworked models (new minis) and balanced characters which are almost the same to the old ones if you pay them for that extra work they put in

 

In this way you could argue they were trying to screw us over, because they could just have reworked them and let us have them as a download...

 

Don't forget to add that the cod 10 special characters where broken in cod 11 : either always wining whatever forces where on the other side or always loosing!
And the same special caracters are in the new mod, but corrected ones...

 


But in the case of FFG it's different. They can't just give us mini's for free, because they would have to spend much money to make and send them out... they also can't give us a digital version to 3d print the new minis, because the internet is full of piracy and nobody seems to care about copyright... the same is true for the cards and character sheets.

And if you say: they could let us at least download and print everything except the minis then I can only say: you can get the "updated" monster cards and hero sheets on the wiki or even here in the FFG forum... they are posted like all over the place.

 

If this is not a reasonable way for you, then there is sadly NOTHING FFG could have done to let the game be played as it is intended: with the balanced heros and monster. They could say: well... wecan't sell new minis because someone could feel screwed over so let's make everything compatible with everything.... but would you really enjoy a game poorly made as that? I would (most likely) not. At least not if I know the better version (which I do... I own almost every H&M and Lieutenant pack).

 

Before anyone says stuff like: well they could have added the Conversion Kit to the game I disagree:

The collection in the app is a way to show the products available for old and new players which they could purchase to increase their fun with Descend 2nd edition. With some of the old Heros and Monster versions that's not really possible, because they ARE unbalanced (and thus later changed). If the Conversion Kit was on that list, the next topic wouldn't be how FFG screwed us over because of the conversion kit not being in the app but because it IS in it....

 

 

 

As I said I understand they can't give the new minis, and If I could ask for something it's not them not H&M packs.. after all minis are not mandatory !! just look to the base game lieutenants are tokens !!

Also ok those that need the updates can find them ... but not by FFG !! it's their products it's to them to give us the info to make the thing official and not some homebrew or custom made !
Buy doing so they show that this product matters, and was not only ment to take money and nothing more !
As I told upper if they do this, the CK version will be the same as the H&M packs stricktly! and the few exception put aside (missing heros and to some extent the base modifications) the CK will become balanced... as it's the same as the H&M which are supposed to be balanced !!

So yes FFG can do something, so those having the CK could play the game as intended ! seen that actually the message they have is the CK is broken .. sorry buy the new H&M Packs !
Where as a single FAQ/Errata could make these people happy ! it even can be put as I told upper in the app without any impact for anyone else !!!
And it's easy to do ! So why is not FFG doing it?
I don't even ask to have side quest for the CK in the app or anything else... just by selecting the CK in the app the could have the heroes / monsters they have !
Make a warning or watherver you want if FFG feels like there could be some balance issues.. but the 12 heroes put aside all is already there ! it's only create a new product on the list and link existing content to it !!
And even add 12 heroes I'm ready to cut my hand it's not difficult !

Other impacts : 0 !

Perhaps my vision is not correct.. but I know a little bit of the software world and without knowing how they have made their app I don't think I'm saying such enormities that makes my thinking delirious !

 

Last thing before I close my off topic here for ever :

I own nearly every of Terrinoth linked content.. this includes the CK but also all H&M packs published in my country so far and will buy the new ones as soon as they are published here.....

THE END

Edited by Felin

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So now the big problem is that FFG was kind 4 years ago and let 1st edition players use their already bought content in new 2nd edition. It's like Blizzard allowing you to use your Diablo 2 heroes in Diablo 3... well when I'm thinking about it from this perspective that i.e. I would have to pay few bucks to have my Druid converted to D3 and after few years they would release a new PvP mode and I would have to pay again for that Druid but now with new model. I would be annoyed. I have to agree with you @Felin, even though that was not my intention at first, but I reflected my argument on me.

 

So, in a matter of fact, yes, they made a mistake 4 years ago. They were too kind.

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So now the big problem is that FFG was kind 4 years ago and let 1st edition players use their already bought content in new 2nd edition. It's like Blizzard allowing you to use your Diablo 2 heroes in Diablo 3... well when I'm thinking about it from this perspective that i.e. I would have to pay few bucks to have my Druid converted to D3 and after few years they would release a new PvP mode and I would have to pay again for that Druid but now with new model. I would be annoyed. I have to agree with you @Felin, even though that was not my intention at first, but I reflected my argument on me.

 

So, in a matter of fact, yes, they made a mistake 4 years ago. They were to kind.

Well except they never made the conversion kit for the app. The app is a different (free) product in which you can't use the conversion kit, you don't have to buy the campaigns also, so you can still play the base game with conversion kit. Arguments like "it's FFG's fault you can't use them" is not valid IMHO, because when you bought the conversion kit, you didn't buy it for anything else as to play the basic game (1-4 Heros and one OL).

 

The thing FFG could do, is as Felin mentioned, let the conversion kit be in the app, but let it be in a different part (not in the collection) or let it be not be available if you have the H&M packs already.

This way you could get a full collection without buying the conversion kit as that would spawn topics in the forum why it's in there and stuff.... Newer players could be buying it and then write stuff like "that's just scam from FFG, there are no minis in the conversion kit" or stuff like that...

I worked in sales a few years ago and you won't believe how stupid some people are... or how impossible it seems to be for some to read the contents of a product BEFORE they buy it...

I am not talking about people who buy something as an "accident" or something and are nice and don't flame around with stupid comments btw. ;)

 

Don't worry, I'll stop with the offtopic now. 

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I join your conversation about FFG policy with the CK, and while I fully understand those who already own the 1st Edition of Descent (which I don't, I remember seeing it at a local game store back to 2004) and feel a bit "pissed" by what is actually going on, I who don't own that first Edition, I of course don't feel stolen by their H&M Packs (oh wait, every time you guys use those initials, I think about that swedish clothes Markets : H&M). My question would rather be : are there so few differences between the old heroes/monsters sheets and the new ones ?

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