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Hey all,

 

I think we can all agree that Skirmish is now in a great place, with pass rule, errata, Waves 4 & 5. This has lead to a much increased diversity in the meta and the viability of lists. I wanted to try and make sense of all of the various lists flying around, and thought that maybe we could collect and discuss them in one place (amongst others of course!). 

 

I've been trying to put together a list of the broad archetypes (there will of course always be some variations). And when I've got time - and informed by any discussion here - I'll add more info/link to lists on ia-armies. 

 

I've not really explored scum much, so don't know many lists for them...

 

Tell me what I'm missing and I'll update the post.

 

Imperial

 

Vader's Fist

 

6 Acts - 8 Figs - 57 HP

 
▪ Darth Vader
Royal Guard
Royal Guard
Imperial Officer
Imperial Officer
Imperial Officer

 

Boba's Fist

7 Acts - 10 Figs - 59 HP

 

Royal Guard
Royal Guard
Imperial Officer
Imperial Officer
Imperial Officer
▪ Boba Fett
▪ Temporary Alliance
Hired Gun

 

4x4

8 Acts - 12 Figs - 76 HP

 

Royal Guard
Royal Guard
Royal Guard
Royal Guard
Imperial Officer
Imperial Officer
Imperial Officer

Imperial Officer

 

9 Act

9 Acts - 13 Figs - 67 HP
 
Royal Guard
Royal Guard
Elite Probe Droid
Elite Probe Droid
Stormtrooper
Imperial Officer
Imperial Officer
Imperial Officer
Imperial Officer

 

Swarm Troopers

7 Acts - 17 Figs - 63 HP

 

Elite Stormtrooper

Elite Stormtrooper
Stormtrooper
Stormtrooper
Stormtrooper
Imperial Officer
Imperial Officer

 

Imperial Search Block

7 Acts - 12 Figs - 66 HP

 

Elite Stormtroopers

Elite Stormtroopers

Royal Guard

Elite Probe Droid

Elite Probe Droid

Imperial Officer

Imperial Officer

 

Imperial Trooper 9 Act

9 Acts - 13 Figs - 63 HP

 

Elite Stormtrooper

Elite Stormtrooper

Elite Probe Droid

Elite Probe Droid

Probe Droid

Probe Droid

Imperial Officer

Imperial Officer

Imperial Officer

 

Royal Guard Champion

 

5 Acts - 9 Figs - 51 HP

 

Royal Guard Champion

Elite Stormtroopers

Elite Stormtroopers

Elite Imperial Officer

Imperial Officer

 

 

Anti-Blast?

 

 

6 Acts - 13 Figs - 68 HP

 

Elite Stormtrooper

Elite Stormtrooper

Elite Snowtrooper

Royal Guards

Imperial Officer

Imperial Officer

 

 

Rebel

 

 

Rebel Blast

7 Acts - 10 Figs - 57 HP

 

▪ Luke Skywalker
Elite Rebel Saboteur
Elite Rebel Saboteur
Rebel Saboteur
▪ Gideon Argus
▪ R2-D2
▪ C-3PO
▪ Rebel High Command
▪ On a Diplomatic Mission

 

The Twins 

7 Acts - 9 Figs - 57 HP

 
▪ Luke Skywalker
▪ Leia Organa
▪ C-3PO
▪ R2-D2
Elite Rebel Saboteur
Elite Rebel Saboteur
▪ Gideon Argus

 
Twin Magic

6 Acts - 8 Figs - 51 HP
 
Luke Skywalker
Leia Organa
C-3PO
Gideon Argus
Elite Rebel Saboteur
Elite Rebel Saboteur
Rebel High Command
On a Diplomatic Mission

 

Rebel Troopers

7 Acts - 13 Figs - 71 HP
 
Elite Rebel Trooper
Elite Rebel Trooper
Elite Echo Base Trooper
▪ C-3PO
▪ R2-D2
▪ Gideon Argus
Echo Base Trooper

 

Focus Attack

5 Acts - 7 Figs - 48 HP

 
▪ Luke Skywalker
▪ Leia Organa
▪ Fenn Signis
Elite Rebel Trooper
▪ Gideon Argus
▪ On a Diplomatic Mission

 

Wookiees

4 Acts - 8 Figs - 92 HP

 
Elite Wookiee Warrior
Wookiee Warrior
Wookiee Warrior
Wookiee Warrior
Fury of Kashyyyk
▪ Balance of the Force
▪ Rebel High Command

 

 

Scum

 

 

Trandoshan Hunter Pack

7 Acts - 12 Figs - 65 HP
 
Trandoshan Hunter
Trandoshan Hunter
Trandoshan Hunter
Trandoshan Hunter
Hired Guns
Gideon
R2-D2
Temporary Alliance

 

Beast Machines

6 Acts - 9 Figs - 56 HP

 
HK Assassin Droid
HK Assassin Droid
HK Assassin Droid
Wampa
Wampa
Elite Nexu

 

 

Beasts

- tons of creatures, insane value from Beast Tamer

 

Tusken Raiders

- Banthas and Raiders...

Edited by jonboyjon1990

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9Act was the meta before 4x4 was ('til FAQ 1.1 "Passing").

 

Vader's fist and 4x4 are not current meta either (they were 'til FAQ 2 "RG nerf").

 

Maybe you should mark them in a way to indicate, that these are here for historical reasons only.

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What you called Imperial Troopers are the Swarmtroopers.

 

The Imperial Search Block is:

Elite Stormtrooper
Elite Stormtrooper
Royal Guard
Elite Probe Droid
Elite Probe Droid
Imperial Officer
Imperial Officer
 
The new Imperial Trooper 9Act is:
Elite Stormtrooper
Elite Stormtrooper
Probe Droid
Probe Droid
Elite Probe Droid
Elite Probe Droid
Imperial Officer
Imperial Officer
Imperial Officer
Edited by DerBaer

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I wouldn't call Focus Attack or Wookiees really part of the relevant meta.

 

The Twins have a strong variation called Twin Magic:

Rebel High Command
▪ Luke Skywalker
▪ Leia Organa
▪ C-3PO
▪ Gideon Argus
+ On A Diplomatic Mission
Elite Rebel Saboteur
Elite Rebel Saboteur
Edited by DerBaer

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Trandoshan Hunter Pack

4 x Trandoshan Hunter

Hired Guns

Gideon

R2-D2

 

or

 

4 x Trandoshan Hunter

Elite Rebel Saboteurs

Gideon

That sounds interesting! The moment I read the first list I was thinking, "what would it look like with an elite sab in there?" and then I looked farther and saw you already thought of it :)

 

Have you gotten to play this or against it? How good is it?

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I wouldn't call Focus Attack or Wookiees really part of the relevant meta.

 

The Twins have a strong variation called Twin Magic:

Rebel High Command
▪ Luke Skywalker
▪ Leia Organa
▪ C-3PO
▪ Gideon Argus
+ On A Diplomatic Mission
Elite Rebel Saboteur
Elite Rebel Saboteur

 

I love this Idea!

 

What would the command deck look like?  What would it's goals be?

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Lots of Focus for the Saboteurs, lots of attacks for Luke and Leia, lots of speed for Mission accomplishment, extra VP for On a Mission.

 

Command deck: Everything that generates extra damage for the Saboteurs, especially Focus, everything that could genereate extra attacks or activations for Luke and Leia.

 

On a diplomatic Mission and Rebel High Command genereate more VPs and Command Cards than R2-D2 could.

Edited by DerBaer

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Trandoshan Hunter Pack

4 x Trandoshan Hunter

Hired Guns

Gideon

R2-D2

 

or

 

4 x Trandoshan Hunter

Elite Rebel Saboteurs

Gideon

 

 

 

What you called Imperial Troopers are the Swarmtroopers.

 

The Imperial Search Block is:

Elite Stormtrooper
Elite Stormtrooper
Royal Guard
Elite Probe Droid
Elite Probe Droid
Imperial Officer
Imperial Officer
 
The new Imperial Trooper 9Act is:
Elite Stormtrooper
Elite Stormtrooper
Probe Droid
Probe Droid
Elite Probe Droid
Elite Probe Droid
Imperial Officer
Imperial Officer
Imperial Officer

 

 

 

 

I wouldn't call Focus Attack or Wookiees really part of the relevant meta.

 

The Twins have a strong variation called Twin Magic:

Rebel High Command
▪ Luke Skywalker
▪ Leia Organa
▪ C-3PO
▪ Gideon Argus
+ On A Diplomatic Mission
Elite Rebel Saboteur
Elite Rebel Saboteur

 

 

 

Isn't Beast Machines, 3 x rHKs, 2 x rWampa and an eNexu?

 

OP Updated!

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What about a RGC list for the Imps?  I've been playing around with running one of these variations.

 

RGC

EStorm Troopers

EStorm Troopers

Probe Droid

Imperial Officer

Imperial Officer

 

or

 

RGC

EStorm Troopers

RStorm Troopers

Probe Droid

Probe Droid

Imperial Officer

Imperial Officer

 

or

 

RGC

EStorm Troopers

RStorm Troopers

RStorm Troopers

Imperial Offier

Imperial Officer

Edited by FrogTrigger

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What about a RGC list for the Imps?  I've been playing around with running one of these variations.

 

RGC

EStorm Troopers

EStorm Troopers

Probe Droid

Imperial Officer

Imperial Officer

 

or

 

RGC

EStorm Troopers

RStorm Troopers

Probe Droid

Probe Droid

Imperial Officer

Imperial Officer

 

or

 

RGC

EStorm Troopers

RStorm Troopers

RStorm Troopers

Imperial Offier

Imperial Officer

I just put version three of the above on the table for 2 games on the Hoth Skirmish map. Took both handily. Loved it.

Edited by Sevenstep

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Yea I was thinking the probe droid is nice because you can play around with other options for command cards but mainly to voluntarily trigger Executioner if you didn't get a chance yet that round... however surrounding him in Storm Troopers pretty much guarantee that you will..

 

What command card list did you run for that?

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Thanks for mentioning Beast Machines! Kind of surreal to look at a list like this and see that.

 

You guys mentioned it in passing in Ep11 - but I've no idea what it is really - but from other posters comments I put it in. 

 

Is it correct? Did you guys come up with the list? What can you tell us about it?

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What about a RGC list for the Imps?  I've been playing around with running one of these variations.

Try:

 

RGC

Elite Stormtroopers

Elite Stormtroopers

Elite Imperial Officer

Imperial Officer

Edited by DerBaer

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Yea I was thinking the probe droid is nice because you can play around with other options for command cards but mainly to voluntarily trigger Executioner if you didn't get a chance yet that round... however surrounding him in Storm Troopers pretty much guarantee that you will..

 

What command card list did you run for that?

 

Keep in mind the command deck is still very much a WIP. I find that's the part of a list that takes the longest to tune. That said, here is version 1:

 

Grenadier
Reinforcements
Reinforcements
Inspiring Speech
Flurry of Blades
Squad Swarm
Focus
Negation
Set a Trap
Of No Importance
Hard to Hit
Take Initiative
Rally
Planning
Element of Surprise

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Thanks for mentioning Beast Machines! Kind of surreal to look at a list like this and see that.

 

You guys mentioned it in passing in Ep11 - but I've no idea what it is really - but from other posters comments I put it in. 

 

Is it correct? Did you guys come up with the list? What can you tell us about it?

We've been talking about Beast Machines as a list since Hoth came out, actually. The list in the OP is fairly correct, however there's a ton of wiggle room, certainly including the Bantha as an option as well. 15-24 points of HKs and potentially Elite Tuskens (though Tuskens are really only recommended if you're playing Bantha(s) AND maxing Jundland Terror), sometimes Gideon and Threepio, and then filling the rest with beasts, be that one or two Bantha, Nexu, Wampa, etc. They all play very similarly: the large units (the beasts) draw fire and deal massive damage for a round or two, then the other units come in and clean up, potentially taking pot shots while the opponent focuses on the beasts as well.

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What about a RGC list for the Imps?  I've been playing around with running one of these variations.

Try:

 

RGC

Elite Stormtroopers

Elite Stormtroopers

Elite Imperial Officer

Imperial Officer

 

 

Added

 

Also added a list - that was discussed on Boardwars.eu podcast Ep23 - it's a list that Martin Hoffman has been playing. I don't know what to call it at the moment - other than something like: "Anti-Blast"

 

It's

 

Elite Stormtrooper

Elite Stormtrooper

Elite Snowtrooper

Royal Guards

Imperial Officer

Imperial Officer

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Any suggestion for a wave 1 restricted tournament? Prefer to play empire, i have 1x of every expansion and possibilities to ask a friend for some miniature of the core

Imperial Search Block from the previous page is all Wave 1, silly good and not overly dependent on Command Cards. Seems like it fits the bill.

 

Wave 1 Rebels are weird now with the Sabs nerf and Scum are basically Trando Spam and that's it.

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What about a RGC list for the Imps?  I've been playing around with running one of these variations.

 

RGC

EStorm Troopers

RStorm Troopers

RStorm Troopers

Imperial Offier

Imperial Officer

I recently won a store championship with this exact squad.  It survived a General Weiss elite troopers squad, a Bantha HK squad, and a focus heavy rebel troopers and Fenn squad, and it's a lot of fun to play

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Any suggestion for a wave 1 restricted tournament? Prefer to play empire, i have 1x of every expansion and possibilities to ask a friend for some miniature of the core

Imperial Search Block from the previous page is all Wave 1, silly good and not overly dependent on Command Cards. Seems like it fits the bill.

 

Wave 1 Rebels are weird now with the Sabs nerf and Scum are basically Trando Spam and that's it.

 

Haven't seen you on in forever! You guys going to get IAcommand going again? Or maybe some blog entries from time to time? There's a lot of stuff I'd be interested in you guys going over.

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