Is FFG's creativity being force choked by Darth Mickey

[Integrale069 7]

I can't be the only one to notice the decline in EU influence on releases in Armada (and x-wing) they seem to be tied to with what currently is canon.

Most of the x-wing wave 8 releases are based on Rebels or a tenuous link to characters seen in Empire strikes back. The Gozanti was also rebels and none of the unique f/o tie pilots have er names.

 

If that's the case what does this mean for Armada?

Is Armada wave 3 going to be the Interdictor and a carrier for the imperials with a couple of variations on existing ships for the Rebels like a winged MC80?

 

Do we get the transporter, Gozanti and shuttle on squadron bases?

 

Lets see other peoples opinions are?

[jarmus mrawn 89]

Personally for Wave 3 I would like the SSD or the Finalizer from TFA along with perhaps the Gonzati freighter for the Empire and the Liberty Class and GR-75 for the Rebels.

[RogueCorona 1,043]

There are plenty of EU releases in Wave 2 of Armada and recent X-Wing waves plus FFG is continuing to create new EU ships for the RPG. Just because only 50 percent of Armada Wave 2's capital ships were EU compared to 60 percent in Wave one is no reason to assume the EU isn't going to be drawn from in the future

[GronardII 385]

X-wing jumped the shark with the K-wing wave. WTF is a K-wing? Or punisher?

Better they have fresh sources than the barrel scrapings we were given in the last few waves.

Edited February 23, 2016 by GronardII

[Integrale069 7]

Not seeing much EU in wave 2 apart from the MC30c and squadrons. Most of the squadrons are to bring the choices in line with x-wing. The Raider is neither EU or canon it was designed to fit the Star Wars universe to give imperials a huge ship. This was before the mouse got involved so was carried through to Armada.

Edited February 23, 2016 by Integrale069

[Prince of Moskova 37]

I would like to see FFG continue to keep the game well balanced within each wave they release.  I wonder if any ship larger than the ISD would actually limit game play (maneuverability) and they will avoid it?  I assume the Assault Carrier, the Light Carrier we saw in Rebels as well as the Interdictor are coming for the Imperials as are those Hammerhead style freighters (corvettes) we also saw in Rebels.

[reegsk 742]

X-wing jumped the shark with the K-wing wave. WTF is a K-wing? Or punisher?

Better they have fresh sources than the barrel scrapings we were given in the last few waves.

 

They're both from the EU. Can't remember exactly when and they weren't widespread in the books, but I remember them being there.

[Formynder4 810]

The K-Wing was mostly part of the Black Fleet Trilogy, and not really used after that. Not the greatest series, but at least it tried to advance the tech somewhat. This is also where the E-wing came from.

[RogueCorona 1,043]

 

X-wing jumped the shark with the K-wing wave. WTF is a K-wing? Or punisher?

Better they have fresh sources than the barrel scrapings we were given in the last few waves.

 

They're both from the EU. Can't remember exactly when and they weren't widespread in the books, but I remember them being there.

 

 

 

The K-Wing was mostly part of the Black Fleet Trilogy, and not really used after that. Not the greatest series, but at least it tried to advance the tech somewhat. This is also where the E-wing came from.

 

Yeah though the K-Wings also showed up in at least one LOTF book, and I believe the E-Wing were in the Dark Empire comics long before the Black Fleet books. Black fleet was just the first time they appeared in a novel.

 

Not seeing much EU in wave 2 apart from the MC30c and squadrons. Most of the squadrons are to bring the choices in line with x-wing. The Raider is neither EU or canon it was designed to fit the Star Wars universe to give imperials a huge ship. This was before the mouse got involved so was carried through to Armada.

 

So far every other ship FFG has created appears to be considered Legends. I see no reason for this to change for the Raider. Even if it is in some weird null between canon and legends it would still be non-canon.

[Ironlord 933]

"twenty gun raiders" have appeared in the Lost Stars newcanon novel - I could see the Raider-class eventually being confirmed as canon.

[Hedgehobbit 419]

I can't be the only one to notice the decline in EU influence on releases in Armada (and x-wing) they seem to be tied to with what currently is canon.

 

You say that like it's a bad thing. We are starting an era of SW with tons of new ships coming out that are in actual movies and TV shows. I'm looking forward to all the new stuff. 

[RogueCorona 1,043]

"twenty gun raiders" have appeared in the Lost Stars newcanon novel - I could see the Raider-class eventually being confirmed as canon.

 

raider not Raider. Maybe just a typo but also likely to mean they are completely different ships. Especially given that the raiders in question have 20 guns which is an incredibly heavy armament for a Star Wars corvette sized craft of this era. the heaviest I recall seeing stock on an OT era corvette size ship was 18 guns and that was rated as a small frigate rather then a corvette even though it was in the corvette size bracket.

[Ironlord 933]

Compare to the 80 gun Lancer - and it doesn't seem so bad - especially since the Raider Corvette's a dedicated anti-starfighter ship with quad laser turrets.

 

4 quad turrets, 2 turbolasers, and 2 ion cannons, would be 20 guns.

Edited February 29, 2016 by Ironlord

[Mikael Hasselstein 6,898]

I can't be the only one to notice the decline in EU influence on releases in Armada (and x-wing) they seem to be tied to with what currently is canon.

 

You say that like it's a bad thing. We are starting an era of SW with tons of new ships coming out that are in actual movies and TV shows. I'm looking forward to all the new stuff. 

 

I'm with Hedgehobbit on this one. While I'll mourn some of the things that will permanently be axed from the EU, there's a lot of good riddance there too. Obviously, tastes differ. For some people the E-/K-/WTF-Wing and the TIE Defender, Punisher, Punishest were the most glorious things ever, and for some people they were barely a step up from the Sun Crusher.

 

I think Darth Mickey is largely on the right track, and that he can work with FFG to give us a better SWU and game content than letting FFG have a no-holds-barred dive into the bottom of the EU barrel.

[Bluewatcher 1]

I think the limiting factor in Armada will be Rebellion Ships; the movies are all based around "OMG! How can we stop the giant Imperial Fleet / Death Star / Planet Sized Cannon with our puny ships / fighters!" There seem to be plenty of Imperial ships that are canon.

[RogueCorona 1,043]

Compare to the 80 gun Lancer - and it doesn't seem so bad - especially since the Raider Corvette's a dedicated anti-starfighter ship with quad laser turrets.

 

4 quad turrets, 2 turbolasers, and 2 ion cannons, would be 20 guns.

 

The Raiders anti fighter guns are six dual mounts in the articles I've read where did you find it said they had quad mounts?

 

And in most cases I've seen a dual laser or a quad laser in Star Wars is counted as a single gun if they are on one mount. Most sources list the Lancer as having 20 guns not 80 though I suppose there might be exceptions. And while things can certainly change so that a quadlaser counts as four guns I'm personally not betting on the raiders from Lost Stars being Raider class Corvettes without more evidence to back up the claim.

 

I think the limiting factor in Armada will be Rebellion Ships; the movies are all based around "OMG! How can we stop the giant Imperial Fleet / Death Star / Planet Sized Cannon with our puny ships / fighters!" There seem to be plenty of Imperial ships that are canon.

 

 

If future waves are restricted to canon ships then yeah the rebels will run out of large ships to choose from very fast unless some new ones become canon. Of course I expect at least one Resistance large ship class in episode VIII if nothing else.

 

But the same is true if they are allowed to use Legends ships unless they bring in the Legends New Republic large ships. I guess Liberators might be larges, Liberty type would be, and Dauntless type would be. Bulwark IIIs and maybe Bulwark Is but I doubt we will see the IIIs unless Executor comes out.

 

And that's good IMO. The rebels should have fewer large base ship classes then the Empire. And there are enough rebel used small and medium ships in canon for a while and even more in Legends.

 

Still I seriously doubt FFG is going to stop using Legends ships.Maybe when wave 3 is announced I'll reconsider though.

[reegsk 742]

 

Compare to the 80 gun Lancer - and it doesn't seem so bad - especially since the Raider Corvette's a dedicated anti-starfighter ship with quad laser turrets.

 

4 quad turrets, 2 turbolasers, and 2 ion cannons, would be 20 guns.

 

The Raiders anti fighter guns are six dual mounts in the articles I've read where did you find it said they had quad mounts?

 

And in most cases I've seen a dual laser or a quad laser in Star Wars is counted as a single gun if they are on one mount. Most sources list the Lancer as having 20 guns not 80 though I suppose there might be exceptions. And while things can certainly change so that a quadlaser counts as four guns I'm personally not betting on the raiders from Lost Stars being Raider class Corvettes without more evidence to back up the claim.

 

I think the limiting factor in Armada will be Rebellion Ships; the movies are all based around "OMG! How can we stop the giant Imperial Fleet / Death Star / Planet Sized Cannon with our puny ships / fighters!" There seem to be plenty of Imperial ships that are canon.

 

 

If future waves are restricted to canon ships then yeah the rebels will run out of large ships to choose from very fast unless some new ones become canon. Of course I expect at least one Resistance large ship class in episode VIII if nothing else.

 

But the same is true if they are allowed to use Legends ships unless they bring in the Legends New Republic large ships. I guess Liberators might be larges, Liberty type would be, and Dauntless type would be. Bulwark IIIs and maybe Bulwark Is but I doubt we will see the IIIs unless Executor comes out.

 

And that's good IMO. The rebels should have fewer large base ship classes then the Empire. And there are enough rebel used small and medium ships in canon for a while and even more in Legends.

 

Still I seriously doubt FFG is going to stop using Legends ships.Maybe when wave 3 is announced I'll reconsider though.

 

 

I wonder how they'll handle FA-era stuff. Force Awakens makes it sound like the Resistance only has snub fighters, while the actual capital ships belong to the Republic. Of course, we'll probably find out a lot more when Episode VIII comes out.

[RogueCorona 1,043]

The canon short stories set before TFA show the Resistance having at least two MC80s. There are rumors that there was going to be a fleet battle scene in TFA with at least a new corvette class used by the Resistance. Hopefully that will show up somewhere. Really the idea of Leia's Resistance having no capital ships was always ludicrous given how many other Resistance cells have capships in both Canon and Legends.

[reegsk 742]

The canon short stories set before TFA show the Resistance having at least two MC80s. There are rumors that there was going to be a fleet battle scene in TFA with at least a new corvette class used by the Resistance. Hopefully that will show up somewhere. Really the idea of Leia's Resistance having no capital ships was always ludicrous given how many other Resistance cells have capships in both Canon and Legends.

 

I haven't gotten around to the books yet. I'm trying to track down as many of the new "canon" books as I can, but I'm pretty strapped for cash. So now it's whatever's available digitally through the library. Which two stories are you referring to?

[Ironlord 933]

 

The Raiders anti fighter guns are six dual mounts in the articles I've read where did you find it said they had quad mounts?

 

I was guessing based on "Quad Laser Turrets" only coming with the Raider pack, in both Armada and X-wing:

 

http://starwars-armada.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Raider_Expansion_Pack

 

http://xwing-miniatures.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Raider_Expansion_Pack

Edited March 11, 2016 by Ironlord

[RogueCorona 1,043]

 

The canon short stories set before TFA show the Resistance having at least two MC80s. There are rumors that there was going to be a fleet battle scene in TFA with at least a new corvette class used by the Resistance. Hopefully that will show up somewhere. Really the idea of Leia's Resistance having no capital ships was always ludicrous given how many other Resistance cells have capships in both Canon and Legends.

 

I haven't gotten around to the books yet. I'm trying to track down as many of the new "canon" books as I can, but I'm pretty strapped for cash. So now it's whatever's available digitally through the library. Which two stories are you referring to?

 

 

Two Resistance MC80s are mentioned by name in Poe's story in Before the Awakening Echo of Hope and good old Home One.

[Integrale069 7]

Sure looks like FFG has been force choked down to releasing 2 flotillas based on current canon. Not aiming this as a criticism as we don't know the full extent of the upgrade cards but its not much to look at... my wallet will sigh a relief though.

[Drasnighta 26,831]

Is it being Choked down if it was always their plan and intention to only add a single small, but wide-ranging, mechanic introducing wave after the Huge Ships of Intel and Wave 2 have started to die down?

 

Because that sounds like a feasable, plausable plan.

[Hedgehobbit 419]

Sure looks like FFG has been force choked down to releasing 2 flotillas based on current canon. 

 

It seems like releasing ships that are currently popular would be a much better plan than releasing ships that few people have ever heard of. In my FLGS, the Ghost sold out in one day.

 

I suspect, as with other miniatures games, most models sold are never actually used on the tabletop but are bought as collectible toys or for display. So, IMO, a ship's usefulness in the game is a secondary consideration.  

[GronardII 385]

Sure looks like FFG has been force choked down to releasing 2 flotillas based on current canon. Not aiming this as a criticism as we don't know the full extent of the upgrade cards but its not much to look at... my wallet will sigh a relief though.

The Gozer isn't Canon. And that would indicate they are being allowed to create. The mouse does tend to step back and let their acquisitions do what they do. However, I think they might do some hand holding with the Star Wars movies cuz, nobody needs another Jar Jar.

Edited March 22, 2016 by GronardII