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The fact that the game expects some common sense in part of the players and GMs as to what they try to do and how they limit the uses of certain items, etc.. SHOULD go WITHOUT SAYING.. that is, not need to be printed. It should be expected that a group of people sitting around a table to play the game will employ some common sense when playing said game. I mean, the term has the word common right in it. Now, admittedly, I have found that it is increasingly less common but none the less, we shouldn't need to have the rule book spell out to use that we should use it.

 

I would HOPE that most mature, informed, and knowledgeable gamers would not find such a passage useful but instead down right insulting to our intelligence and ability to operate as human beings. The day I look in a book, read a passage stating: Please, in your arbitration and interpretation of these rules apply common sense. And think to myself, Hell! That was useful, I am glad they put that in there I almost forgot about that... is the day I stop gaming.

 

Ok.. this is a touch over dramatic but I think it helps get the point across.

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If that one was done with software, I dont know - but I do know that there is software that will mosaic up photos like that.

 

That or someone has WAAAAAY too much time on their hands.

It better be software...or I'm buying another blaster....

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I tried to express my view that it would be useful if the book included a simple passage for clarification to help reign in players and help new GMs.

 

The responses claim it would take 300 pages, and mocked with claims that without clarification people can't read the book in order.

 

Yeah, I'm "for real".

I'm sorry if you thought I was picking on you. I was just trying to be funny. I didn't even have a target in mind when I wrote that. :(

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If that one was done with software, I dont know - but I do know that there is software that will mosaic up photos like that.

Yes, there is software that automates this. You give it a source image that you want the mosaic to look like when it’s done, and you can give it a list of images to use in constructing the mosaic, or you can let it go find as many pictures as it thinks it needs.

Google for “picture mosaic” or “photomosaic” and you should find more results than you could ever possibly want.

At this point, I think this is now the kind of thing they would assign as homework in a Sophomore or Junior-level CS programming class.

That or someone has WAAAAAY too much time on their hands.

That too. ;)

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I don't know if this fits the bill but, from page 9 of the EotE rulebook:

"While this rule book provides specific rules on how to resolve actions, the game relies heavily on both the Game Master and the players to use their imagination -tempered with common sense - to explain what happens."

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PrettyHaley FTW. Been waiting for this.

Now, if they'd just stop putting that silly "What is a role playing game?" chapter in every core...

They can't assume the purchaser knows. Not everyone is a veteran.

 

 

True, especially because the core books also work stand alone.

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Now, if they'd just stop putting that silly "What is a role playing game?" chapter in every core...

 

 

Now, if they'd just stop putting that silly "What is a role playing game?" chapter in every core...

 

Well, this conversation proves, unequivocally, that the ubiquitious "What is a role playing game?" section is probably still a neccessity.

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PrettyHaley FTW. Been waiting for this.

Now, if they'd just stop putting that silly "What is a role playing game?" chapter in every core...

They can't assume the purchaser knows. Not everyone is a veteran.

 

Why not? They assume everyone knows about common sense. How dare they? As I said, I blame FFG.

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Speaking of backpacks.  Isn't is silly that a backpack can hold only 4 grenades?  Now I can understand there has to be a limit, the bag of infinite grenades would get real old for a GM.  I rule that the encumbrance bonus is for combat accessible gear.  Other things, like tents and tools can fit within reason.

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wow, holy crap, my apologies for opening this can of worms and forgetting to check on the thread for four days

I'm new to EOTE, I've only played the beginner game with my little group of five. I asked the question because I have never played a narrative roleplay game before, only rule heavy ones (I'm an engineering student after all).

Good to know common sense fixes the problem, I was simply confused by the lack of an explicit upper limit.

Again, my apologies for starting this, I'll refrain from asking dumb questions in the future

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Speaking of backpacks.  Isn't is silly that a backpack can hold only 4 grenades?  Now I can understand there has to be a limit, the bag of infinite grenades would get real old for a GM.  I rule that the encumbrance bonus is for combat accessible gear.  Other things, like tents and tools can fit within reason.

 

 

Four?  I guess it depends on the type of grenade... but anything from a modern M61 to the thermal detonator we see in RotJ should fit far more than 4 to a backpack. 

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Speaking of backpacks.  Isn't is silly that a backpack can hold only 4 grenades?  Now I can understand there has to be a limit, the bag of infinite grenades would get real old for a GM.  I rule that the encumbrance bonus is for combat accessible gear.  Other things, like tents and tools can fit within reason.

 

The backpack increases your encumbrance threshold. It makes it easier for a person to carry more stuff by increasing the threshold at which a penalty sets in. It doesn't mean you can only fit 4 encumbrance in the backpack.

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Speaking of backpacks.  Isn't is silly that a backpack can hold only 4 grenades?  Now I can understand there has to be a limit, the bag of infinite grenades would get real old for a GM.  I rule that the encumbrance bonus is for combat accessible gear.  Other things, like tents and tools can fit within reason.

 

 

Four?  I guess it depends on the type of grenade... but anything from a modern M61 to the thermal detonator we see in RotJ should fit far more than 4 to a backpack. 

 

 

I have sometimes used the concept of "stowing gear"  if you want to be able to access an item with the "Manage Gear" maneuver then it uses up the whole amount of it's encumbrance value.  If you are packaging it up for transport it uses up 1/5 of that much but you need to spend an action getting it out and ready.

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Speaking of backpacks.  Isn't is silly that a backpack can hold only 4 grenades?  Now I can understand there has to be a limit, the bag of infinite grenades would get real old for a GM.  I rule that the encumbrance bonus is for combat accessible gear.  Other things, like tents and tools can fit within reason.

 

 

Four?  I guess it depends on the type of grenade... but anything from a modern M61 to the thermal detonator we see in RotJ should fit far more than 4 to a backpack. 

 

 

Yeah, but probably some of that space is taken up with foam padding and protection. Well, unless you want four thermal detonators rattling around loose in your backpack just waiting for a Despair to happen. . . . 

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The Encumbrance rules don't track real well for quite a bit of gear, so I don't nitpick it as hawkishly personally.  

 

If a PC is a human sized body and making an attempt to carry gear, as in they have a gun belt and some kind of load bearing apparatus on, and they want to carry something like a handgun, knife, reasonable long gun, a couple grenades, and maybe a hand scanner with a Stimpack or two, I call it good.  

 

Anything beyond that and depending on what it is, but roughly I just say their Brawn score is what they can carry beyond that and then it's time for Encumbrance.  Add a backpack, and depending on what they are carrying or doing, I adjust from there.  

 

It's tough to apply just numerics imo, you can have a Brawn 4 Drall, but they are just too **** small to effectively carry a lot of things, as opposed to a Brawn 3 Wookie that is pushing 7 feet tall and has more thoracic cavity to hang all manner of Enc 0 items from.

 

Again, our old friend common sense is required.

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wow, holy crap, my apologies for opening this can of worms and forgetting to check on the thread for four days

I'm new to EOTE, I've only played the beginner game with my little group of five. I asked the question because I have never played a narrative roleplay game before, only rule heavy ones (I'm an engineering student after all).

Good to know common sense fixes the problem, I was simply confused by the lack of an explicit upper limit.

Again, my apologies for starting this, I'll refrain from asking dumb questions in the future

 

The fact it sparked a 7 pages debate proves that it wasn't a dumb question. As you said, you kinda need to forget what you learned with rules heavy RPGs and learn a whole new way again. You won't regret though, now I can't see myself going back to anything more detailed than what Edge of the Empire offers. 

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Speaking of backpacks.  Isn't is silly that a backpack can hold only 4 grenades?  Now I can understand there has to be a limit, the bag of infinite grenades would get real old for a GM.  I rule that the encumbrance bonus is for combat accessible gear.  Other things, like tents and tools can fit within reason.

 

 

Four?  I guess it depends on the type of grenade... but anything from a modern M61 to the thermal detonator we see in RotJ should fit far more than 4 to a backpack. 

 

 

I have sometimes used the concept of "stowing gear"  if you want to be able to access an item with the "Manage Gear" maneuver then it uses up the whole amount of it's encumbrance value.  If you are packaging it up for transport it uses up 1/5 of that much but you need to spend an action getting it out and ready.

 

 

Do you mean the packaged stuff only counts 1/5th towards Encumbrance Threshold, or the packaged gear only counts 1/5th if you are counting how much can fit inside a backpack? The first I can see being abused and making high Brawn characters carrying unbelievable amounts of gear around with no hindrance. The later I could get on board with IF you required the added detail from your players of noting where everything is carried (on-person vs. in-backpack).

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I don't know if this fits the bill but, from page 9 of the EotE rulebook:

"While this rule book provides specific rules on how to resolve actions, the game relies heavily on both the Game Master and the players to use their imagination -tempered with common sense - to explain what happens."

 

Haha! I love this... kind of goes to show how helpful putting it in really is. Nice work Haley on spotting this and bringing it to the table. Despite the tone of my previous post the general intent was that people will either use common sense or not... having a statement in the rules saying they should do so really isn't necessary or help in accomplishing this. And the fact that it is in fact there and apparently the majority of people don't even notice it is kind of proof of that.

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