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So all three games are out. I was most interested in Force and Destiny in the beginning and now that its out I might give this RPG a try. But I was curious. What is next for the Star Wars RPG? Are they going to continue to expand upon it? Explore other Legends Eras? Tie in with the new films? What is coming down the pipe? 

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At minimum, you can expect career supplements for the remaining careers, of which there are still 8 that haven't been announced for approximate release dates yet, and at least a few more sector/location-based supplements and adventure modules for each core.

 

They don't really give any previews for anything before officially announcing a product for the SWRPG line, so what they'll do beyond what they've been doing is a guess to anyone who isn't either working on the game or a playtester.

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I think we will get the first clues on this subject after the bounty hunter book comes out. They have announced the technician book. So in a month or 2 we should have that and then they will likely announce the bounty hunter book. Then keep an eye out on what they do there. 

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Like stated, there will be, at minimum, aprox 40 books in total. 3 core books, 18 career source books, probably 3 adventure modules and 3 region/sector books for each line. Thats 39. Plus the GM screens that have content as well. Past that, I don't see a need for creature, npc, weapon, or ship splat books. The existing supplements are doing a great job feeding us new material. The only thing I can maybe see in the future would be era books. But that is conjecture, and not really necessary.

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It also might depend on whether FFG feels that they can publish a 2nd edition with updated/tweaked rules and have folks pay for it.  If they do go the route of a second edition, I doubt we'll see re-hashes of the existing career sourcebooks; it's possible they may include the various additional specs in those 2nd edition books, and then do collection books to update other crunchy material, such as species, weapons, gear, and vehicles as needed.

 

Then again, the Star Wars license is pretty pricey, and rumor has it (at least from when WotC held the license) that they've got to put out a minimum number of Star Wars products per year, and that said products don't have to be RPG books.  Given the general popularity of X-Wing and their Living Card Game, it's possible that FFG could simply let the FFG lie fallow for a while once they feel they've published enough material, and use minis and card games to satisfy the "X number of product" per year.  Which allegedly is what WotC did via their Star Wars minis line during the time frame between RCR and Saga Edition.

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I honestly don't expect anything big coming from Origins or Gen Con. Considering all the Star Wars products FFG is producing I think they are at a point where they can just maintain their current lines without having to do anything big. Look how long it's taken to finish all the EotE career books afterall. Everyone keeps thinking that there's something around the corner but ...... even FFG must realize that there comes a point where there is too much for their fans to consume. Part of managing a product also includes knowing when to bring out big stuff and when to continue with the smaller projects. 

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I think they might spend the next year or two rounding out the existing 3 RPG lines, getting all 6 Career books out and what have you. Then it would not surprise me if they took a break for a few years, maybe launching a second edition around the time Episode IX comes out in 2019. If that were to happen, I imagine they'd tweak some things with the system and refocus it around the sequel trilogy era (maybe not entirely focuses on that era like the current RPG is primarily focuses on the original trilogy, but a sequel trilogy focus being a bit part of it).

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I believe that we get all we need. The only thing that I would see as worth it would be (as mentioned by others) different era books, but as the general theme of these books is centered around the timeframe after Episode 4, that might not be what their aim is. But I pray to Force that they do not start making sourcebooks like the old WEG ones... I certainly prefer the current "a bit of everything for everyone in every book" method!

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There is a possibility that once Episode 9 has been released, we could see a new core rulebook that focuses on that era.  It will have been a few years since Force and Destiny's release, and they could also incorporate errata and other "lessons learned" into the rules while also including a sort of "greatest hits" of the careers and specs from all three product lines.

 

In this way, they can do a "2nd edition" while also giving folks a book set around the setting of the films (something that's been asked for since before the movie came out).  They could also provide an "edition update" file for the prior three core rulebooks, something that WEG did with their Star Wars D6 RPG when they went from the 2nd edition to "2nd edition Revised and Expanded."  Granted, the 2eR&E book was a lot prettier (full color vs. black & white of the 2e book) and has held up better, or at least they did for me, as both books saw a lot of use; 2e book

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I apologize I wasn't thinking anything really big.  Honestly, I think they might be able to pull off a lot of the era books from other sources with slightly larger supplemental books.  We have all the careers and specializations that can easily be translated over to the other eras.  They could even give us more universal specs that can only be applied to those eras like a 'Jedi Padawan', 'Dathomir Force Witch' or "imperial Knight Trainee' for example.  Then we get what I also enjoy 'a little bit for everbody' books and introduction to the era.  If need be they could follow up with another addon like Clone Wars could be broken up into the 'core' book and then supplementals like the "Outer Rim Sieges" or Sectors to include Dathomir and other planets of key interest.  They have already shown they could do this with 'Lords of Nal Hutta' and 'Suns of Fortune' books.  I would like to see a Hapes Cluster book and a Corporate Sector books for any of the lines currently.  I will also understand if they decide not to go beyond the original movies until the new trilogy is finished and expand on it.  I can live without the Yuuzhon Vong to be perfectly frank.  I really didn't like where it went after the first couple of books.  Legacy era I didn't mind so much and we now have the mechanics for how Heal/Harm works from that context.

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This game wasn't built to be era book friendly. I think they would have made an entire host of different decisions if they were honestly going to explore different eras. I know people really really want them, but there is no way to do era books now without upseting some fans and customers.  

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I could almost see a setting book but out for each line. For instance (taking the Clone Wars as an example) you could have a book for Force and Destiny that would add specializations for certain kinds of Jedi (perhaps a dedicated Padawan specialization) and Force Powers that were unique to the era, along with Planets that were important to the Jedi/Sith confrontation. Then you would have a book for Age of Rebellion that covered specializations for the Grand Army of the Republic, equipment & armor, and the locations were major battles took place during the Clone Wars. Finally, you would have the Edge of the Empire book cover specializations that keyed on the Black Sun and Death Watch, as well as updated the major crime organizations and Hutt lords of the time. You can reasonably do the same with the new trilogy as well. 

 

I would be less prepared to see anything regarding the time period prior to the prequels, as the current products that Disney is backing consistently seem to refer to the Republic as being only a little over a 1000 years or so. This pretty much deletes the Legends era Old Republic (which for the most part took place 4000 years before the prequels). It's possible that the "Republic" referred to in the new official canon is a different iteration of the organizational body that has referred to itself as the "Republic" prior, but I would expect FFG to stay away from this material, as it really doesn't make sense to dive into it with all the other options out there.

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I think they would have made an entire host of different decisions if they were honestly going to explore different eras. I know people really really want them, but there is no way to do era books now without upseting some fans and customers.  

 

 

You do realize that a lot of people said something very similar (myself included) when they announced no Jedi in this system.  However, I gave it some time let them grow and release a few books and then started looking again.  I started right around Age of Rebellion Beta had come out and I loved everything I saw.  Not only was I not mad about 'no Jedi'  I was amazed at how they could demonstrate how close minded I really was with the Exiled Force Adept in EotE.  I was so enthused I bought up all the books up to that point and took it to a local convention and started running the Beginner Box that year.  Went back the next year did the same thing with AoR.  Every time so far it has been a hit.  I am actually terrified of going and doing it this year cause I am just one GM and there going to be so many new and old Star Wars fans  excited all over again.  Yes, there are fans that aren't happy with what is being released now.  However, I don't think customers would be as upset to find out that their investment will continue on for quite a few more years.

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I think they would have made an entire host of different decisions if they were honestly going to explore different eras. I know people really really want them, but there is no way to do era books now without upseting some fans and customers.  

 

 

You do realize that a lot of people said something very similar (myself included) when they announced no Jedi in this system.  However, I gave it some time let them grow and release a few books and then started looking again.  I started right around Age of Rebellion Beta had come out and I loved everything I saw.  Not only was I not mad about 'no Jedi'  I was amazed at how they could demonstrate how close minded I really was with the Exiled Force Adept in EotE.  I was so enthused I bought up all the books up to that point and took it to a local convention and started running the Beginner Box that year.  Went back the next year did the same thing with AoR.  Every time so far it has been a hit.  I am actually terrified of going and doing it this year cause I am just one GM and there going to be so many new and old Star Wars fans  excited all over again.  Yes, there are fans that aren't happy with what is being released now.  However, I don't think customers would be as upset to find out that their investment will continue on for quite a few more years.

 

 

They decided to do no Jedi at the start but they always intended to do Force Users. That much is clear. However that's different as era books won't work on the same wave length that this set of books works. If they wanted to do era books they wouldn't have sold us on the idea that to do the OT properly they needed to break it down into three separate books. And I doubt they will reasonably think that they can sell people on another set of 3 books for another era. And you can't sale just a single era book with out forcing people to buy books they may not want to buy in order to play the setting. Pretty much anyway that they do an era book now they have put themselves in a win/loose situation where sure some people will be over joyed but due to their prior marketing choices other people will be pissed. That's not smart gaming design though. And this company has shown to be extremely smart in marketing products. 

 

I think Donovan is more correct on the matter. If they ever decide to do another era it will likely be at the close of Ep IX at which point they could build the NT era as a 2nd Edition and thus an evolution on game mechanics. But all their current marketing choices indicates that the OT is what they want to build the current brand on.It also avoids the trouble of Disney simply voiding an entire production line because one day they decide that KoToR is something they want to explore in a completely different way. The OT, at present, is really the only safe bet to build for. If they build into the past or the future they run a very real risk of Disney killing it with their own choices. But Disiney has no intention on killing the OT and if you look at all their current work they have been pushing most current products to be more in line with Disney's canon (just check out the Jedi they opt to highlight when talking about Savage Spirits). 

 

Also as expensive as this line is even FFG must realize there are limits to the amount of books they can expect to be able to produce and it be profitable for them. Star Wars is not a cheap licences after all. So every line needs to be profitable if they hope to recoup their cost. They won't be able to do too many more big things and make a profit. And era books are not as solid a thing as the OT is. 

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It may not have been built to be, but it doesn't mean it can't be.

The simple fact is that just not having to keep the core system rules in a book could be enough to make it worthwhile.  Instead of that they include era specific stuff.  Maybe some new or altered Specs for an era.  Some races.  A Clone Wars "Era" one year.  Maybe a KOTOR one the next.  Ep 9 after that.  There's certainly room if they wanted.   

So, yeah... honestly, a PT era book would be splendid, as there is so much out there in the era what with the Clone Wars Cartoon and the 3 movies.  Plus it could give us more Jedi at the height, and with those plus existing books we'd have more than enough tools to do KOTOR on our own.

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It may not have been built to be, but it doesn't mean it can't be.

The simple fact is that just not having to keep the core system rules in a book could be enough to make it worthwhile.  Instead of that they include era specific stuff.  Maybe some new or altered Specs for an era.  Some races.  A Clone Wars "Era" one year.  Maybe a KOTOR one the next.  Ep 9 after that.  There's certainly room if they wanted.   

So, yeah... honestly, a PT era book would be splendid, as there is so much out there in the era what with the Clone Wars Cartoon and the 3 movies.  Plus it could give us more Jedi at the height, and with those plus existing books we'd have more than enough tools to do KOTOR on our own.

 

I never said it can't be. I've argued that they didn't design the system to be era book friendly and that they're on the record comments about the line in general indicates that they may lack an overall interest. They can do anything they want, down to creating an entirely new era for people to play in. But if we look at what they've stated, how they've designed the game, and how they market it will see that era books are not what they have in mind right now. A company planning to do a bunch of era books behaves in a completely different way. 

 

People keep floating the idea that era books are the next big thing, but there is a total lack of evidence for that conclusions. 

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I'm not sure I'm going to agree that "era books" couldn't be done. First of all, I buy everything, and I'm not sure I'd want an era book. I don't really need any. But it comes down to, What would be in an era supplement book?

The core game is fine, so new rules/rule changes would arguably be zero. A ton of new gear, ships, and tech would be covered. New races are probable. They could even introduce new era specific specialist trees for all 3 lines. Fluff and setting info would be included,and done.

No need for version 2, new core books, or pissing off anyone. A medium sized book no bigger than the current sector books. Whats so far fetched with that?

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I think we won't see prior Era Books until Disney has had their Say. Like Many licenses similar to these, the Ip holder often gets a review and say in what is published. I that the "Era" covered is what Disney has given the go ahead to use at this time. 

 

I do not think, Considering the History wipe Disney did upon purchasing the star wars IP, that they are going to give any go ahead on any Previous Era until they have had a chance to possibly "milk" them with a story/movie, rather than let some one else define the eras before they can. 

 

All the EU stuff prior to Disney May or May not, at some time, get their blessing as they see fit to use it. 

 

So, for myself, If I want to use a previous Era, I will detail it myself using the EU material and not care what Disney or FFG eventually produces... as My Game will be a different history than everyone elses anyway in most likely hood. 

 

The 3 core books really give the basis of what is needed. Expand from that as you see fit, Does that mean I don't want to see more Location supplements and Such? of course not. I will take everything I can get and add it in to my own as I see fit. less work for me as a GM. I just don't see Era supplements coming from FFG anytime in the foreseeable future. 

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WotC pretty much did era books with Saga Edition, with the core rulebook being general enough by itself to work in any era.

 

Kael's right in that thus far, there's been zero indication of any sort of "era book" on FFG's part.  That may well change once they start running out of career sourcebooks to publish for AoR and FaD, or they may decide that they've done good work and let the system fade out of publication.  But that's still a few years off, and they can do plenty of setting books akin to Lords of Nal Hutta and Suns of Fortune for EotE once they get the Bounty Hunter career book on the shelves.

 

While official material is nice, you don't need it to play an RPG.  There's a thriving D6 community that continue to play that system even though WEG's not had the license in well over a decade, with a plethora of fan-created material to cover new ships, species, and gear that's introduced into the setting.

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No need for version 2, new core books, or pissing off anyone. A medium sized book no bigger than the current sector books. Whats so far fetched with that?

Lacking a neutral core set of rules to develop such a book there is no easy way to do what you propose without a core book or pissing off some fans.

For instance each source book is marketed as only needing one core book to run. That's why stats get repeated between the different lines, so that people who have no interest in EotE dont have to buy an EotE book for their AoR game. Something that can't be done with an era book.

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Honestly, I think the biggest way to make Era Books happen is for enough discussion and the likes to prove there is a demand.

Heck, for all we know Gen Con could see a NEW Core Rulebook, not Era, but an actual Clone Wars focused Rulebook that's stand alone.

Personally, I hope not, but I could see it happening.  I'd still buy the heck out of it for sure.  Yet I'd despair at yet MORE wasted space on duplicated material.  That's why I'd love it to be line neutral, so to say.

That being said, make it general.  Have it give the tools to run a game independent of the other two books.  Want to do Scum and Villainy on the rim in this era?*  There's the tools.  Want to do a military focused game, Age of Rebellion should be all you need plus this book.  Oh, there's some stuff in it that might not be as useful, but done right, it wouldn't take a lot of page count, and certainly less total than the repeated rules would if they made yet another corebook.

And I'd also say do it in Corebook size.  400+ pages is definitely enough to do system neutral and have enough new material to be useful to any of the three lines individually, or all of them without repeated material.

 

And frankly?  I really want era books.  The OT era is my least favorite for a game.  I also despise SAGA, and not too keen on most of the old post OT Legends EU.  So WEG doesn't really work well either, especially for Clone Wars or KOTOR.  Clone Wars is one of the major parts of existing canon too, a game set in it is not a bad idea!

*To be fair?  An EotE style game is probably the easiest to do era agnostic.

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Clone Wars is tainted by the PT. You can't do Clone Wars without having to face the possibility that peoples dislike of the PT as a whole will impact your overall sales. The advantage of their current plan is that most people actually like the OT. Sure there are people out there who dislike it but overall it's regarded very well by most of the fanbase. They don't have to fight uphill battle of drumming up interest like they would with a Clone Wars book, nor do they have to fight a battle to make people more aware about an era that only appeals to a small segment of the fanbase (KoToR which is really only well known among gamers and comic book fans). Sure the OT may not be everyone's favorite but it has the advantage of being the best known, and overall having the best approval rating.

 

I personally would rather not see era books. A 400+ era book that doesn't sale well can in the long run kill the entire Star Wars line. And frankly FFG has created one of the best Star Wars games I've played. I'd happily convert the material I need to do a KoToR game than have them run the risk of sinking the line on projects that may not yield the same level of return that the current line does.   

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