Lyraeus 4,759 Posted January 6, 2016 (edited) +++ Torpedoes away! (391pts) +++ MC30c Torpedo Frigate (86pts) [Assault Proton Torpedoes (5pts), Ordnance Experts (4pts), XI7 Turbolasers (6pts), •Foresight (8pts)] MC30c Torpedo Frigate (86pts) [Assault Proton Torpedoes (5pts), Ordnance Experts (4pts), XI7 Turbolasers (6pts), •Admonition (8pts)] MC30c Torpedo Frigate (78pts) [Assault Proton Torpedoes (5pts), Ordnance Experts (4pts), XI7 Turbolasers (6pts)] MC30c Torpedo Frigate (108pts) [Assault Proton Torpedoes (5pts), Ordnance Experts (4pts), XI7 Turbolasers (6pts), •Mon Mothma (30pts)] + Squadrons (33pts) + A-Wing Squadron (11pts) A-Wing Squadron (11pts) A-Wing Squadron (11pts) + Objectives + Assault Objective [Most Wanted] Defense Objective [Contested Outpost] Navigation Objective [superior Positions] I am not sure how this will work but I think it will be fun. The plan is to be first player and let Admonition and Foresight to take the brunt of the attacks. Ok, I tried this list last night with some tweaking. I now present you my 2.0 version. +++ Torpedoes away! 2.0 (395pts) +++ MC30c Torpedo Frigate (94pts) [Assault Proton Torpedoes (5pts), Ordnance Experts (4pts), Redundant Shields (8pts), XI7 Turbolasers (6pts), •Foresight (8pts)] MC30c Torpedo Frigate (99pts) [Assault Proton Torpedoes (5pts), Ordnance Experts (4pts), Redundant Shields (8pts), XI7 Turbolasers (6pts), •Admonition (8pts), •Walex Blissex (5pts)] MC30c Torpedo Frigate (86pts) [Assault Proton Torpedoes (5pts), Ordnance Experts (4pts), Redundant Shields (8pts), XI7 Turbolasers (6pts)] MC30c Torpedo Frigate (116pts) [Assault Proton Torpedoes (5pts), Ordnance Experts (4pts), Redundant Shields (8pts), XI7 Turbolasers (6pts), •Mon Mothma (30pts)] + Objectives + Assault Objective [Most Wanted] Defense Objective [Contested Outpost] Navigation Objective [superior Positions] I still need to change the objectives. While Most Wanted is nice, it is not as great as Precision Strike in this list. As for the yellow. . . I am not sure. . . There is nothing there that fits my current ideology for Objectives (a Discussion Time thread will be up on this so I) so we shall see. . . The 2.0 list won but I am not sure how I feel about it. . . Edited January 9, 2016 by Lyraeus 1 oddeye reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Englishpete 1,379 Posted January 6, 2016 I love the concept here and looked at almost an identical list, but with the lack of Brace and the re-direct nerf vs Xi-7's you are going to get murdered. The very concept of Admonition and Foresight fails to be effective at close range, and you will need to be at close range to deliver damage. It's a horrible choice, but I think Reikeen is your admiral here, charge in from the rear and open fire with as many shrimps as you can vs one enemy ship. You are a brave soul and good luck to you :-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drasnighta 26,833 Posted January 6, 2016 he very concept of Admonition .... fails to be effective at close range Mon Mothma provides critical double-die rerolls for Foresight at Close Range. Admonition allows you to be discarding a die, effectively a medium/long function of evade, at close range, after an Evade Reroll due to Mon Mothma... They are so many times more effective at close range, due to Mon Mothma. With any other admiral, I'd agree to your point - but the Venerable Old Lady of the Rebellion makes all the difference here... 3 RogueCommander, miedomeda and Maturin reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lyraeus 4,759 Posted January 6, 2016 I don't know about being murdered. . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lyraeus 4,759 Posted January 6, 2016 I love the concept here and looked at almost an identical list, but with the lack of Brace and the re-direct nerf vs Xi-7's you are going to get murdered. The very concept of Admonition and Foresight fails to be effective at close range, and you will need to be at close range to deliver damage. It's a horrible choice, but I think Reikeen is your admiral here, charge in from the rear and open fire with as many shrimps as you can vs one enemy ship. You are a brave soul and good luck to you :-) I am not sure if Rieekan is the right choice. Mon Mothma let's me use my evades at close range, let's me use Admonition when I get in close and not have to waste those tokens to Admonition at longer range. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maturin 1,583 Posted January 6, 2016 I'd be sorely tempted to drop an A-wing in order to fit Lando in somewhere, and to increase your initiative bid even further. The difference between 2 vs 3 squadrons probably doesn't make a huge difference, but Lando might, at a crucial time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lyraeus 4,759 Posted January 6, 2016 I'd be sorely tempted to drop an A-wing in order to fit Lando in somewhere, and to increase your initiative bid even further. The difference between 2 vs 3 squadrons probably doesn't make a huge difference, but Lando might, at a crucial time.I was thinking that for Walex which would bring me to 385, I could add in Lando in one of the base versions and have a 12 point bid. . . 2 Green Knight and Maturin reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oddeye 560 Posted January 7, 2016 List looks fun if you ask me. Now if i only had that many mc30s... haha Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lyraeus 4,759 Posted January 7, 2016 List looks fun if you ask me. Now if i only had that many mc30s... haha I am 2 short myself but I need to get that many so I have a full set of Turbolaser Reroute Circuts (I go by sets of 4) 1 oddeye reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oddeye 560 Posted January 7, 2016 List looks fun if you ask me. Now if i only had that many mc30s... hahaI am 2 short myself but I need to get that many so I have a full set of Turbolaser Reroute Circuts (I go by sets of 4) And thats why i have so many nebulon b's.. i needed those x17s! That being said, Armada still isn't nearly as bad about having to buy a whole expansion for one card as x wing is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lyraeus 4,759 Posted January 7, 2016 List looks fun if you ask me. Now if i only had that many mc30s... hahaI am 2 short myself but I need to get that many so I have a full set of Turbolaser Reroute Circuts (I go by sets of 4) And thats why i have so many nebulon b's.. i needed those x17s! That being said, Armada still isn't nearly as bad about having to buy a whole expansion for one card as x wing is. I have 5 Nebs and 3 of those are from the Expansions. I still need a 6th though for that last Xi7. . . 1 oddeye reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oddeye 560 Posted January 7, 2016 Speaking nebulons and fun lists: X6 nebulon b support with slaved turrets and ackbar comes to 380 points. Thats 24 red dice a turn from front or side arc (only 3 from back). Not much squadron support though.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thecactusman17 3,192 Posted January 7, 2016 I love the concept here and looked at almost an identical list, but with the lack of Brace and the re-direct nerf vs Xi-7's you are going to get murdered. The very concept of Admonition and Foresight fails to be effective at close range, and you will need to be at close range to deliver damage. It's a horrible choice, but I think Reikeen is your admiral here, charge in from the rear and open fire with as many shrimps as you can vs one enemy ship. You are a brave soul and good luck to you :-) XI-7s aren't NEARLY as large a concern as I initially thought they'd be. They do hurt Redirects, but they do nothing vs. Evade. They're also rapidly being replaced with TRCs and other weapons in most lists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lyraeus 4,759 Posted January 7, 2016 I love the concept here and looked at almost an identical list, but with the lack of Brace and the re-direct nerf vs Xi-7's you are going to get murdered. The very concept of Admonition and Foresight fails to be effective at close range, and you will need to be at close range to deliver damage. It's a horrible choice, but I think Reikeen is your admiral here, charge in from the rear and open fire with as many shrimps as you can vs one enemy ship. You are a brave soul and good luck to you :-) XI-7s aren't NEARLY as large a concern as I initially thought they'd be. They do hurt Redirects, but they do nothing vs. Evade. They're also rapidly being replaced with TRCs and other weapons in most lists. I have found that XI7 Turbolasers punch through ships amazingly well. Being able to push more damage in a single shot. I still don't get why people used them in Wave 1. Only the VSD 2 had enough damage to make it worthwhile Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ginkapo 9,321 Posted January 7, 2016 I would consider switching foresight to scout torp and putting mon mothma on there, but i can see why you might not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lyraeus 4,759 Posted January 7, 2016 I would consider switching foresight to scout torp and putting mon mothma on there, but i can see why you might not.I could switch it without and be at 391.. . Hmmmm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lyraeus 4,759 Posted January 7, 2016 I can see the use of upgrading to the scout variant but I am not sure if I need to do that. . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ginkapo 9,321 Posted January 7, 2016 I can see the use of upgrading to the scout variant but I am not sure if I need to do that. . . Need? Nope Foresight works best at medium/long range not short, and if kept at medium range becomes a fortress, hence why I suggest switching variant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lyraeus 4,759 Posted January 7, 2016 I can see the use of upgrading to the scout variant but I am not sure if I need to do that. . . Need? Nope Foresight works best at medium/long range not short, and if kept at medium range becomes a fortress, hence why I suggest switching variant. Mon Mothma means it works at all ranges though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ginkapo 9,321 Posted January 7, 2016 Still works best on removing dice than rerolls. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drasnighta 26,833 Posted January 7, 2016 Mon Mothma means it works at all ranges though. Yes, it does work at all Ranges. However, he says it works best at Medium/Long, which is also correct. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lyraeus 4,759 Posted January 7, 2016 Mon Mothma means it works at all ranges though. Yes, it does work at all Ranges. However, he says it works best at Medium/Long, which is also correct. Meh, getting to force 2 red or black dice to reroll at close range is amazing to me. It is rare that Mon Mothma has let me down in that regards. I just get out of luck when my opponent rolls the double hit or hit/crit again. . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drasnighta 26,833 Posted January 7, 2016 Mon Mothma means it works at all ranges though. Yes, it does work at all Ranges. However, he says it works best at Medium/Long, which is also correct. Meh, getting to force 2 red or black dice to reroll at close range is amazing to me. It is rare that Mon Mothma has let me down in that regards. I just get out of luck when my opponent rolls the double hit or hit/crit again. . . You may Meh it away if you wish, mate... I'm just pointing out you're both right Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lyraeus 4,759 Posted January 8, 2016 Mon Mothma means it works at all ranges though. Yes, it does work at all Ranges. However, he says it works best at Medium/Long, which is also correct. Meh, getting to force 2 red or black dice to reroll at close range is amazing to me. It is rare that Mon Mothma has let me down in that regards. I just get out of luck when my opponent rolls the double hit or hit/crit again. . . You may Meh it away if you wish, mate... I'm just pointing out you're both right *raises hands in mock surrender* you win Dras Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lyraeus 4,759 Posted January 9, 2016 A 2.0 list has been added with some thoughts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites