Hyper Lightspeed Weapons (spoilers? Yeah, spoilers)

[flyboymb 1,068]

Or just use the starkiller power-up affect on the target's sun and turn off the light.

 

Hands up, all who want to live on a world of darkness and ice.

It wouldn't even be limited to that. If the sun is sucked up, there's no more gravity well keeping the planets in place. They will pretty well instantly shoot out in straight lines wherever the force vector of their orbit is pointing at the time into deep space. No more sun would also mean no more heliopause, which would allow a great deal more of hard radiation to impact said planets probably overcoming the protection of their magnetic fields.

 

Yeah thats another thing if it eats the sun to power up the atmosphere would freeze pretty fast depending on distance from the Sun.

If our Sun went out we'd have eight minutes then temperatures would plummet and the world would die.

Wouldn't happen quite that quickly. Google 'If the sun went out, how long would life on earth survive?' from Popular Science. Due to the insulating properties of ice and water, life could survive in the oceans for millions of years. Even after that, underwater vulcanism would allow life to continue until the core of the planet cooled and solidified. As for the surface, atmospheric insulation would mean that it would be a good week before worldwide temperatures even hit 0F and even after a year the temperature would still be above the point where penguins are able to live (baby penguins at that!).

[Hobojebus 11,341]

Okay well you learn something every day

Still it's a poor design for a super weapon two shots and you've killed your Sun and your planet.

[GrimmyV 7,421]

Okay well you learn something every day

Still it's a poor design for a super weapon two shots and you've killed your Sun and your planet.

Unless the StarKiller system was a binary system or the base was actually mobile, it seems powering up the weapon doesn't extinguish a star permanently. If you look closely you will see the star is still present after the weapon pulls all the yellow energy stuff out of it, it's just completely black like it was covered with one huge sun spot. I would assume some secondary book like ICS will be out before long talking about the nature of hyperlightspeed tech and the stellar/solar energy syphon. Until then it's just gonna be wild speculation and ignorance, as usual.

[Robin Graves 6,054]

 

Okay well you learn something every day

Still it's a poor design for a super weapon two shots and you've killed your Sun and your planet.

Unless the StarKiller system was a binary system or the base was actually mobile,

 

I remeber thinking that in the theather: They should have built it on Tatooine. (double whammy!)

 

Still, I think the new order is taking "the dark side" a little bit to literally.

[Hobojebus 11,341]

They just didn't come off as that bright, why was the control centre on the surface? You put cic deep underground where it can't be blasted.

[Robin Graves 6,054]

Also them putting all their eggs in one basket. There's a reason ze germans never went trough building the "Ratte" tank.

 

[Hobojebus 11,341]

The world's lucky they attacked early, had they waited till 1950 with their superior tech it would of been much different.

[flyboymb 1,068]

 

Okay well you learn something every day

Still it's a poor design for a super weapon two shots and you've killed your Sun and your planet.

Unless the StarKiller system was a binary system or the base was actually mobile, it seems powering up the weapon doesn't extinguish a star permanently. If you look closely you will see the star is still present after the weapon pulls all the yellow energy stuff out of it, it's just completely black like it was covered with one huge sun spot. I would assume some secondary book like ICS will be out before long talking about the nature of hyperlightspeed tech and the stellar/solar energy syphon. Until then it's just gonna be wild speculation and ignorance, as usual.

 

Two things on that note. Stars are giant balls of plasma. If enough of the matter is drawn off a star to make it go dark, all that is likely left is a solidified core of whatever fusion progressed all the way to carbon. That's what is called a brown or black dwarf. Having a star temporarily go dark would be like sucking all the heat out of the coals of a fire and then waiting for the flames to come back. Secondly, when the weapon exploded, the planet pretty much turned into a star; a yellow star at that. This means that the planet would have sucked in and modulated enough superheated Hydrogen to create a star similar to our own sun. That means it sucked in the equivalent of a few dozen Jupiters to charge the weapon. Not really knowing what size the star is before it was absorbed, it would either be the majority of the star's volume on the low end or a small fraction if it were one of the larger bodies in the universe.

 

The world's lucky they attacked early, had they waited till 1950 with their superior tech it would of been much different.

Eh, the main impediment to Germany's industrial development was a lack of significant native oil supplies. The vast bulk came from places like Romania that Germany captured after the war started. This was why Germany was in a huge rush to conquer SW Russia. Not only would it have acquired the rich oil supplies in that region, but the connection through Georgia to the Middle East would have brought about even more crude to feed the military machine. The main things that Germany had going for it in the late 1930's was a semi-clandestine military buildup that forced England and France to play catchup, a Soviet Union which was just starting to expand it's new industrial base into modernizing its military, and the utter lack of doctrine on the part of these nations to counter a blitzkrieg (England, France, and Russia were still in 2nd generation warfare, Germany had jumped into 3rd gen.).

 

Extra time to start the conflict would have given the Allied nations extra time to prepare for German aggression. Perhaps they would have coaxed Belgium into allowing a joint effort in fortifying their German border which would have cut off the back door into France. Perhaps England and France themselves would have declared war first. What is certain is that the Soviet Union would have initiated a conflict as soon as they felt they were able to due to Germany's fascist ideology and the close proximity of these countries to Soviet borders. After Mongolian and Napoleonic incursions into Russian territory, there was almost an instinctive desire to either create a buffer against or sabotage any close neighbors that could be a threat. This is what lead to the Warsaw Pact instead of seeing Eastern Europe absorbed back into Russia as it was before the revolution.

 

The major benefit that Germany would have had by waiting longer was that Hitler would have been too ill to constrain his Field Marshals with ideologically driven demands like take Stalingrad at all cost and no retreating.

 

They just didn't come off as that bright, why was the control centre on the surface? You put cic deep underground where it can't be blasted.

Because every Imperial superweapon needs a glaring weakness. It's just what they do. Remember what Han said about the Nostril of Palpatine in the older novels? Either Imperial or First Order forces are so arrogant that they think it impossible for their grand designs to be destroyed, or nepotism puts politically connected morons onto design teams instead of real talent.

[Robin Graves 6,054]

 

 

They just didn't come off as that bright, why was the control centre on the surface? You put cic deep underground where it can't be blasted.

Because every Imperial superweapon needs a glaring weakness. It's just what they do. Remember what Han said about the Nostril of Palpatine in the older novels? Either Imperial or First Order forces are so arrogant that they think it impossible for their grand designs to be destroyed, or nepotism puts politically connected morons onto design teams instead of real talent.

 

 

Yeah but's been the third time now. Ok You can shalk up the second death star to Palps being stuborn and wanting to try again. And Star Killer base going for bigger and better. But for eps VIII and IX they need to come up with something better.

[Robin Graves 6,054]

The world's lucky they attacked early, had they waited till 1950 with their superior tech it would of been much different.

 

He had to do it while Germany was still in the mood for a rematch after WWI.

 

Plus i think a lot depends who had the nukes first.

[GrimmyV 7,421]

The world's lucky they attacked early, had they waited till 1950 with their superior tech it would of been much different.

 

He had to do it while Germany was still in the mood for a rematch after WWI.

 

Plus i think a lot depends who had the nukes first.

Ahem, man in the high castle.

Also I think we may have seen the last super weapon in SW.

I'm not sure StarKiller Base had any glaring design flaws or vulnerabilities. It's shields were impenetrable by conventional means and the strategy was to first wipe out the opposing fleet to prevent any bombardment or siege. Luckily for the Galaxy Han Solo is crazy-stupid to attempt to fly through planetary shields at Lightspeed...which is suicide for anyone else.

[Robin Graves 6,054]

I was surprised they don't just spam those gun towers more. (Same for the deathstar btw)

[WokeUpDead 868]

I was surprised they don't just spam those gun towers more. (Same for the deathstar btw)

 

can't build a superduper "end weapon" (even if its starts the whole new trilogy) -and- protect it via turrets.

or enough fighters. or a fleet.

 

because, well, the good guys with their 6/7 ?! xwings have it bad already and then..

 

*possible madmax spoilers*

the funny thing is: I can live with it. I can live with so many plotholes it's not funny. the rest of the movie DOES however HAVE TO make up for them in some way (to me)..

 

take for example madmax4 as we already talked about that one; I wouldn't even BEGIN to think the story was logical, nor was the characters behavior ("flee,flee,flee,flee,fight,flee,flee,flee... ****. there goes the plan.. oh wait.. let's just  get back to where we're fleeing from"). you basically HAVE to switch the thinking-cap to OFF, else you're in for a bad headache.

BUT! .. there are SO MANY other things in that movie that makes it so lovable. the pictures, the pace, the mood, !the music!, the actors, the absolute lack of cheap cgi.. I could go on for days.

 

in ep.7, there are many good things, but also many "Meh.." moments (to me); by comparison, there is exactly -1- moment (the action wears off and they then decide to just go back.. wasn't prepared and -outch, instant headache-) in madmax4 that was "meh" and countless of the wow-moments.

I know: it boils down to personal taste, but whatever "taste-pattern" I try to force 7 in, it is not convincing; it tries too hard to be an action movie, yet a story driven movie, too etc. it's not bad! it could have been better with very little effort, though. different cuts, here and there different dialogs, different names (looking at you, grandmaster snorkels), a more critical guy writing the script, an even more critical guy controling the script.. with 30+ years to think about  -something- and a budget bigger than what some countries have, they could have done so.. it's not the "low budget" (in the literal sense) movie ep.4 was. they had their chance, they didn't wiff it. they didn't excel, either.

 

but: next chance, ep8 and maybe they actually learn from 7. nobody said that it was easy to do THAT movie, expectations simply are too high, I get that. but if they take the good stuff, beat on the bad stuff and give us something to do while watching the plotholes unfold - we're in for a treat with 8

[Robin Graves 6,054]

Mad max spoilers ahead:

 

That bit in Mad max made sense: "Hey, we're looking for this wonderfull place i grew up and*... we're already here? This is it? This piece of hell that looks like the rest of the des? Okay that's it, We're going back, gonna get revenge and express some rage." It's what I would have done to.

 

 

 

 

 

* Kinda like the ending of The Quest of Iranon by H.P. Lovecraft.

[Robin Graves 6,054]

 

but: next chance, ep8 and maybe they actually learn from 7. nobody said that it was easy to do THAT movie, expectations simply are too high, I get that. but if they take the good stuff, beat on the bad stuff and give us something to do while watching the plotholes unfold - we're in for a treat with 8

 

 

I'm hoping this is the opening scrawl for ep VIII

 

Its a turbulent time. The New Republic is rebuilding its senate. Supreme leader Snoke died in a shuttle crash. And Luke skywalker is looking* for the one who killed his brother in law. Poe dameron is leading a squad of B-wing's in a great counter attack against the New Order's fleet of Graves-class Star-destroyers.**

 

 

 

 

* Jedi don't seek revenge.

** somewhere between a SD and the executor, but with a very big main gun.

[WokeUpDead 868]

Mad max spoilers ahead:

 

That bit in Mad max made sense: "Hey, we're looking for this wonderfull place i grew up and*... we're already here? This is it? This piece of hell that looks like the rest of the des? Okay that's it, We're going back, gonna get revenge and express some rage." It's what I would have done to.

 

 

 

 

 

* Kinda like the ending of The Quest of Iranon by H.P. Lovecraft.

 

I kinda found that total nonsense in contrast but hey, it's okay to feel different about that, hm? (problem was not the decision itself, but a) that it made no sense (to me) AND b) at the same time there is nothing else going on whichs keeps eyes, ears and brainZ occupied - so there was really no way outta the headaches^^)

doesn't diminish the rest of the movie to me, like I explained; so many "wow", I can forgive 1 measely "meh" and still have a blast

"wow.. look at that! and whew.. that was close! see that guy other there? he's not really..? is he..?! that's hilarious..."

 

 

* Jedi don't seek revenge.

** somewhere between a SD and the executor, but with a very big main gun.

 

fine by me, escpecially snorkels. oh, and make that several dozen SDs of varying sizes, with countless fighters for escort, and I'm in

Edited December 28, 2015 by WokeUpDead

[Darth Chuck 532]

My biggest issues with Star Wars, Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, and other sci-fi and/or fantasy stetting is the complete and utter disregard for safety.  Has nobody ever heard of railings?  Does everyone think making long and narrow walkways over unfathomable pits a good idea?  Where is Space OSHA?  While we are at it, where is DCFS?  Who thinks it is a good idea for unsupervised minors to undertake tasks that are very likely to kill them?  Dear God, Hogwarts is a veritable deathtrap that should be closed and the staff put in jail for child abuse.

[Robin Graves 6,054]

My biggest issues with Star Wars, Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, and other sci-fi and/or fantasy stetting is the complete and utter disregard for safety.  Has nobody ever heard of railings?  Does everyone think making long and narrow walkways over unfathomable pits a good idea?  Where is Space OSHA?  While we are at it, where is DCFS?  Who thinks it is a good idea for unsupervised minors to undertake tasks that are very likely to kill them?  Dear God, Hogwarts is a veritable deathtrap that should be closed and the staff put in jail for child abuse.

 

Especially with Harry Potter, we see the entire staff of Hogwarts, but do these kids ever get sex-ed? This is a world full of wizard-aids, poly juice potion, pedo-werewolves, animagi and a virtualy unlimited amount of potions and spells that can be used for "recreational uses" (Crucio/stupefy= SM much?) that you'd think someone would teach people about the dangers of unprotected (wizarding) sex.  This is exactly why the malfoys are obssessed with mudbloods and why the Weaslies have so many kids.