Hyper Lightspeed Weapons (spoilers? Yeah, spoilers)

[Robin Graves 6,054]

Because they had to atleast try and make it a wee bit different from the Death star.

[treybert 893]

And what's up with Kyber crystals everywhere now?

 

They're magic crystals from the unknown regions.

[Ironlord 933]

That goes back quite a while - all the way back to the Jedi Quest novels if not before. Back then they were just called "Ilum crystals" after the planet.

[Sithborg 11,644]

Man, I think you may be in for a bit of a rough ride this trilogy. Everything points to them embracing the fantasy that many have handwaved away.

[Robin Graves 6,054]

Man, I think you may be in for a bit of a rough ride this trilogy. Everything points to them embracing the fantasy that many have handwaved away.

 

So they are going the other way then Lucas did with the prequals, in wich he tried to rationalise/ scientifically explain the force with that midichlorian nonsense. JJ seems to go the other way with more impossible warhammer 40k weapons and force users stopping laser bolts in mid air. For me the MST3K mantra (It's just a show, I really should just relax) kicks in fairly quickly so thats ok.

 

Maybe they should go full on over the top like Mad Max: Fury road and have a sith lord wielding a electric guitar with a lightsaber attached while standing on a moving landspeeder.

[GrimmyV 7,421]

That goes back quite a while - all the way back to Splinter of the Mind's Eye if not before (early draft scripts). Back then they were just called the Kaiber crystal.

[GrimmyV 7,421]

Man, I think you may be in for a bit of a rough ride this trilogy. Everything points to them embracing the fantasy that many have handwaved away.

 

So they are going the other way then Lucas did with the prequals, in wich he tried to rationalise/ scientifically explain the force with that midichlorian nonsense. JJ seems to go the other way with more impossible warhammer 40k weapons and force users stopping laser bolts in mid air. For me the MST3K mantra (It's just a show, I really should just relax) kicks in fairly quickly so thats ok.

 

Maybe they should go full on over the top like Mad Max: Fury road and have a sith lord wielding a electric guitar with a lightsaber attached while standing on a moving landspeeder.

You mean standing on top of a Super Star Destoryer falling into a Death Star. So metal!

[Ironlord 933]

 

That goes back quite a while - all the way back to Splinter of the Mind's Eye if not before (early draft scripts). Back then they were just called the Kaiber crystal.

 

Kaiburr crystals generally weren't portrayed as coming from Ilum until TCW though. Ilum was introduced as "Lightsaber crystal planet" in Jedi Quest - with TCW reusing it, and renaming the crystals.

[GrimmyV 7,421]

Magic crystals that enhance force powers = good

Magic crystals that make technological laser swords work = bad

Requiring Jedi kids to go on dangerous and even deadly quests to get their own personal magic space rock = come on, Harry just bought his wand at a shop, is that too simple for Jedi?

[Ironlord 933]

It would appear so. That said, going by TCW, the danger is not as great as the trainees think ("Only water made solid was the door. Easy to break, if you have the will")

 

There's training lightsabers that they use before making their own.

 

According to ICS - kyber crystals aren't just used in lightsabers - they can be used in turbolasers as well - giving those of the Finalizer more power and a higher rate of fire.

 

And it's already been established that they're used in superweapons (the Death Star, the Starkiller).

[GrimmyV 7,421]

StarKiller base looks like it uses some Old Dark Side tech from the Infinite Empire, so using force crystals I it only makes sense. Dunno why the Death Stars would need em, unless they were needed for the converging super laser beam, and even then it seems a bit silly. Using them in regular turbasers seems to be the last straw...it means they aren't nearly as rare or dangerous to get. Maybe the special ilium crystals were prefers for Jedi lightsabers while other locales had crystals hat were more numerous and more suited to mass produced weapons and still other sources would be prefered for super weapons. Who knows, the whole galaxy may have special force crystal deposits all over. Forget smuggling spice, smuggle Kyber crystals! Just hope they don't explode when going to lightspeed.

[Ironlord 933]

StarKiller base looks like it uses some Old Dark Side tech from the Infinite Empire, so using force crystals I it only makes sense. Dunno why the Death Stars would need em, unless they were needed for the converging super laser beam, and even then it seems a bit silly. 

 

The Clone Wars Legacy was a post-TCW project that included "incomplete animation episodes" on Starwars.com. From the Crystal Crisis on Utapau arc, we have Yoda saying:

 

 

"Long ago in forgotten times, when the Sith and Jedi fought for control of the galaxy, weapons there were, of unimaginable power. Always at their heart, a kyber crystal was."    

 

 

The idea is that giant kyber crystals and superweapons tend to go together - the Death Star is just a modern iteration of those old superweapons, made by the Empire. The Starkiller is that, taken even further.

Edited December 24, 2015 by Ironlord

[Dagonet 7,246]

JJ seems to go the other way with more impossible warhammer 40k weapons and force users stopping laser bolts in mid air.[/b]

But the planet is nothing out of order for Star Wars, we've seen worse. And stopping lasers? Vader deflected them with his hands. Jacen, perhaps more importantly, could do the same, and absorb lasers, and freeze water molecules. Kyp Durron made a lightsaber useless.

Nothing shown was wildly out of scope for the universe it inhabits

[Robin Graves 6,054]

Well I didn't say it was out of scope with the universe. The fun part of SW is that it incorporates both sci-fi and mystical elements.

JJ could have gone more sci-fi (maybe something how a TIE fighter's lack of aerodynamics makes it an inferior fighter in a planet's atmosphere) Personally I like the more mystical stuff (the way Yoda explained the force in ESB)

[Ironlord 933]

Well I didn't say it was out of scope with the universe. The fun part of SW is that it incorporates both sci-fi and mystical elements.

JJ could have gone more sci-fi (maybe something how a TIE fighter's lack of aerodynamics makes it an inferior fighter in a planet's atmosphere) 

 

The Visual Dictionary suggests that the addition of deflector shields makes the FIE/fo better at manoeuvring in atmosphere than the older TIE/ln - but that's more tie-in info than movie info.

Edited December 25, 2015 by Ironlord

[WokeUpDead 868]

 

Man, I think you may be in for a bit of a rough ride this trilogy. Everything points to them embracing the fantasy that many have handwaved away.

 

So they are going the other way then Lucas did with the prequals, in wich he tried to rationalise/ scientifically explain the force with that midichlorian nonsense. JJ seems to go the other way with more impossible warhammer 40k weapons and force users stopping laser bolts in mid air. For me the MST3K mantra (It's just a show, I really should just relax) kicks in fairly quickly so thats ok.

 

Maybe they should go full on over the top like Mad Max: Fury road and have a sith lord wielding a electric guitar with a lightsaber attached while standing on a moving landspeeder.

 

 

 

 

Man, I think you may be in for a bit of a rough ride this trilogy. Everything points to them embracing the fantasy that many have handwaved away.

 

So they are going the other way then Lucas did with the prequals, in wich he tried to rationalise/ scientifically explain the force with that midichlorian nonsense. JJ seems to go the other way with more impossible warhammer 40k weapons and force users stopping laser bolts in mid air. For me the MST3K mantra (It's just a show, I really should just relax) kicks in fairly quickly so thats ok.

 

Maybe they should go full on over the top like Mad Max: Fury road and have a sith lord wielding a electric guitar with a lightsaber attached while standing on a moving landspeeder.

You mean standing on top of a Super Star Destoryer falling into a Death Star. So metal!

 

 

you say that like if it was a bad thing

no such nonsens in starwars please, but in madmax it was absolutely glorious! madmax4 was perhaps* the best movie of the year, and the guy with the axe has his part in that

*yeah, better than ep7, and that from a starwars-fan like anybody else here. 

 

Edited December 25, 2015 by WokeUpDead

[Dagonet 7,246]

Nah, didn't care much myself for Fury Road. Decent, but nothing really exceptional. Nothing that engaged me to the characters.

[Robin Graves 6,054]

Nah, didn't care much myself for Fury Road. Decent, but nothing really exceptional. Nothing that engaged me to the characters.

 

What characters? It's a Mad Max movie with hardly any max in it. Wich is good, means more screen time for strong female lead and crazy yet sympathic war boys. Usually I get the urge to nitpic post apoc movies (where do they get the food/water/fuel out in the middle of the desert) and so it was for Fury Road, then that flamethrower-guitar playing loon showed up on the Doof wagon, and i said: "F*ck it! rule of cool is in full effect here. i don't care about the logistics/realism anymore. Shine on you crazy diamond! \m/"

 

 

WITNESS MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

 

[Robin Graves 6,054]

 

 

Man, I think you may be in for a bit of a rough ride this trilogy. Everything points to them embracing the fantasy that many have handwaved away.

 

So they are going the other way then Lucas did with the prequals, in wich he tried to rationalise/ scientifically explain the force with that midichlorian nonsense. JJ seems to go the other way with more impossible warhammer 40k weapons and force users stopping laser bolts in mid air. For me the MST3K mantra (It's just a show, I really should just relax) kicks in fairly quickly so thats ok.

 

Maybe they should go full on over the top like Mad Max: Fury road and have a sith lord wielding a electric guitar with a lightsaber attached while standing on a moving landspeeder.

You mean standing on top of a Super Star Destoryer falling into a Death Star. So metal!

 

 

Wouldn't it be cool if Han falling into that shaft was what caused the starkiller to explode?

 

Han: "I'm taking you all with me! Waaaaahooo!"

 

I guess it would be a bit silly, but i can dream, right?

[Filter 285]

I'm reminded of a topic some months back that I cannot for the life of me recall the actual topic of but do recall it being about super weapons or something in kind. At one point, I suggested the shear devastation that could be wrought by crashing a Star Destroyer into a planet if it were doing light speed. There was talk about how this couldn't happen because of the nav computers detecting a gravity well of a planet and yanking the ship into sublight. I put forward that someone could rig the nav computer to bypass that safety and, as per episode VII, this does seem to be possible where Han flew the Falcon out of hyperspace into ~100ft of the surface of the Starkiller base planet(crashing into it after anyway).

While not hyper lightspeed weaponry, slamming a SD at light speed into a planet as a weapon could be utterly devastating. Perhaps that was where the discussion was heading in that topic. The Deathstar(and Starkiller now) destroyed planets whereas slamming a SD into it would leave the planet intact while wiping out a good portion of life/enemies thus leaving mineral resources to extract.

[Ironlord 933]

I'm reminded of a topic some months back that I cannot for the life of me recall the actual topic of but do recall it being about super weapons or something in kind. At one point, I suggested the shear devastation that could be wrought by crashing a Star Destroyer into a planet if it were doing light speed. There was talk about how this couldn't happen because of the nav computers detecting a gravity well of a planet and yanking the ship into sublight. I put forward that someone could rig the nav computer to bypass that safety and, as per episode VII, this does seem to be possible where Han flew the Falcon out of hyperspace into ~100ft of the surface of the Starkiller base planet(crashing into it after anyway).

 

The EU did have a "hyperdrive malfunction" incident of this kind, with a Praetor class battlecruiser hitting the planet hard enough to leave it with fractures going down to the core:

 

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Pammant/Legends

 

 

- the notion of "rigging an intentional malfunction" of this kind does make sense.

[Dagonet 7,246]

But will probably not be used in a post 9/11 world...

[Robin Graves 6,054]

Or just use the starkiller power-up affect on the target's sun and turn off the light.

 

Hands up, all who want to live on a world of darkness and ice.

Edited December 25, 2015 by Robin Graves

[Hobojebus 11,341]

Yeah thats another thing if it eats the sun to power up the atmosphere would freeze pretty fast depending on distance from the Sun.

If our Sun went out we'd have eight minutes then temperatures would plummet and the world would die.

[GrimmyV 7,421]

Yeah thats another thing if it eats the sun to power up the atmosphere would freeze pretty fast depending on distance from the Sun.

If our Sun went out we'd have eight minutes then temperatures would plummet and the world would die.

Planetary shields may be adapted to retain or generate heat, much like cloud cover does naturally. Of course plant life would die due to lack of sunlight, requiring greenhouses. I doubt draining a star would be a viable weapon due to the long time to construct the device. StarKiller base didn't exactly look mobile.

Of course we earthlings couldn't do jack about anyone screwing with our sun.

Would matter traveling through hyperspace actually interact with real space matter to such a destructive manner for a mile long ship cracking a planet? why didn't Kevin J Anderson have his imperials trying to crash an ISD at Lightspeed into coruscant instead of dropping it out of Lightspeed and hitting the planet at relativistic speeds?