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Lol...really can I sell you another Tie Defender to go with the useless one you got.

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Um... why would the Inquistor TIE contain TIE defender titles?

It's a TIE defender pack with some TIE defender upgrades in it. They package extras so you've enough for your Wave 4 TIE defenders too (otherwise you'd have to buy an ImpVet for every TIE defender you had) Kinda failing to see the issue here, you'll have to be a bit clearer.

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If it helps you at all, I would take a few minutes to search for all 100 or so topics on these forums where the community discussed how desperately they wanted a release just like this.

 

So ya. Dang FFG. Giving 99.9% of the community exactly what they want.

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I only wish they had done the bomber in royal guard colors as well. Oh hell, let's face it, I'd buy a FFG expansion for any imperial ship they re-do in royal guard red, even the Raider... what am I saying?  ESPECIALLY THE RAIDER!!!!

 

I've seen things you wouldn't believe...

 

Including a Red Raider on this board. Somewhere, out there, among the grey blue ships. Somewhere, out where dreams come true.

I have a TIE Advanced I did up in Royal Red.. Looks rather nifty if I do say so myself

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To the OP, what games are these that you speak of that have so much better support/game play/etc? I'd really like to know because I've played a number and there are not a lot of good ones with support like FFG.

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Poor OP needs a calculator too. It will be quite easy to field 3 competitive Defenders in a list. I only picked up a single Defender expansion initially and my second one is now number 1 on my purchase list. Hopefully that Gozanti arrives shortly too so I can grab that and the two Force Awakens expansions all at the same time. I've always been more of a Rebel and Scum player but all of these releases lately may have me making a move to a lot more Imperial play!

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Fair point, but of all the gaming companies, FFG still has the best model. GW has lowered the bar so much that no matter what other companies do, it'll still be better.

 

People are happy, and are willing to pay for an update, even if that said update gives a few redundant models.

 

Paying for X-Wing cards is like paying for MtG cards. When you buy MtG, you pay for randomness in addition to the cards you want. When you buy X-Wing, you pay for other ships and cards you do not use, in addition to the cards and ships you want. Why pay 80k for a black lotus when its just a worthless card? Why pay $20 for some meta-card in the latest standard play craze? Same reason why people pay $30 for C3PO.

 

In fact, X-Wing is better than MtG. Most people would pay for randomness to go away.

 

All these companies are designed to siphon money away from you, but FFG X-Wing so far has the most friendly, and least obnoxious model, which is why people are happy. I'm happy. They need to make money to survive.

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I dunno, you're not getting a

 

Poor OP needs a calculator too. It will be quite easy to field 3 competitive Defenders in a list. I only picked up a single Defender expansion initially and my second one is now number 1 on my purchase list. Hopefully that Gozanti arrives shortly too so I can grab that and the two Force Awakens expansions all at the same time. I've always been more of a Rebel and Scum player but all of these releases lately may have me making a move to a lot more Imperial play!

 

I dunno, you don't get any of the lowbie tokens with the new set, so if you want to field three of them you're probably still gonna need a third Defender expansion. Maybe with the x7 title it'd ok-ish with the glaives or whatever.

 

As is, I'm probably just going to leave my RG Defender red and leave it in its packaging since I've already got two Glam Squadron Defenders painted up.

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Fair point, but of all the gaming companies, FFG still has the best model. GW has lowered the bar so much that no matter what other companies do, it'll still be better.

 

People are happy, and are willing to pay for an update, even if that said update gives a few redundant models.

My rule of thumb is to buy one until it's proven helpful enough to buy a couple (Exception: IG-88s, but with that dial and that price and the IG-2000 title, I was pretty confident they'd be badass right out of the gate).

 

That way if it's great, fine... but if it's a lame duckling, I've only got one cluttering my collection until the Aces pack shows up with multiple patch cards. ;)

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Not sure if OP is hurt or downright trolling, but your judgements are way off. The way I see it, FFG is fair in pricing their games and plan their game development very well. In fact they apply the LCG distribution system to all their products to ensure everyone knows what they're getting. Good luck opening boxes of TCG booster packs to get that ultra super duper hidden rare imbalanced cards or buying tons of overpriced unpainted minis to set up a feeble army that will literally be useless when they introduce the new ones. And you called FFG greedy. Very funny. 

 

Defender is a fine ship even without the titles. You being unable/unwilling to fly them well is a separate matter.

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I have 4, and I have run all four in epic. It was glorious.

I've run 2 Imperial Aces and  4 TIE interceptor expansions in team epic, which was amazing! 8 TIE interceptors is hard to beat. Only thing is, Push the Limit is a little odd when all 8 take Focus + Evade and you know that only one or two are going to be shot at...I like running them with Ruthlessness in Epic play.

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Ok that is freaking awesome. I would buy the upgrade cards to fix the dusty Tie Defender for that paint job anyday. Kudos that is some serious painting. Wow, and I don't normally like red that much....just amazing. Edited by ColGeneralVatutin

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I just had a nice email conversation with FFG.

 

They are anything but greedy.  If anyone wants to take a stroll through misery lane, just try out a certain big name mini maker - or if you want to experience true playerbase elitism how about said game companies upstart rival?

 

For those not in the know I'm talking about Games Workshop, the king of cottage industry turned faceless conglomerate, and Privateer Press, the stomping grounds of self proclaimed mensa students and PAGE FIVE.  Experienced mini-wargamers will know the true shame of customer abuse after having spent most of their lives being loyal to an increasingly hostile monarchy, only to be shunted aside in favour of the al-ighty-ollar.  The subsequent stages of denial and regression were most keenly felt by those who chose to join the black-t-shirted legions of Warmachine, trying to solve power creep with more power.

 

But I digress...  If one truly wanted to experience the woe and agony of mini-wargaming,  there are far more suitable avenues than X-Wing. 

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Needs a TIE Defender, oh and a Red Shuttle!!!!

 

..and a red deathstar-mat :-D

 

 

*to deathstar-gunner*

"you may fire and whistle jingle-bells when ready"

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I am seriously not trolling. I just really think this company is disgraceful. I am not attempting to step on your toes or waste your time. Corporate greed is to be expected, but there just come a point were you really have to say seriously...seriously? I have spent at least $800 on Armada (I have for example 12 movement tools: 4x2s, 4x3s,4x4s dice packs galor mats pimp organization, lasers, etc.), over $500 in X-wing, and have a huge gameroom with two of my 7 tables devoted to X-wing and Armada. I would not have gotten into X-wing if I knew they were pulling this kind of cr$p. I haven't played a lot of X-wing to be honest. I like the game. But...BUT....there is just something so awful, so disgustingly greedy that just can't be overlooked No matter how good, maybe great game. There just come a point where one has to call truth to power. To pull the Sh$t they pull and continue to get away with it because you all feel powerless to do something about it is the way it is, but it is wrong and unethical.

Cliff notes to the entire bottom posts to save you time: I have armada for capital ships, yet to be truly competitive I need to buy useless cr$p in my eye to make so many of my ships competitive. I don't want Epic ships and forcing me to buy them for unrelated cards for a different version of the game is wrong. I ask for some simple decency. You want to fix a ship and make it better...awesome, thank you, just stop putting your fixes and important, crucial competitive cards in stuff the average X-wing player would not buy. The squeeze is not worth the juice. I don't play X-wing tournaments because I use proxies and they aren't allowed. It is a pity after all The time and money buy toys painted by machines I can't have nice shinny gloss thick cardboard cards. I am stuck with a low res C3-PO etc. That is a pity that after paying what I have that that isn't enough. To be railroad into buying stuff not remotely near what I want is BS. Now include your upgrades and fixes with a poor ship like the Star Viper is one thing: $14.95.

This new release is great for those getting into the game p. The ship do look great but to get Tie Advanced upgrades I find out later I needed the imperial raider after spending $1200 and now I got to buy another bomber and another darn Defender instead of say buying the Inquisitor coming out for the upgrades to the advanced etc.

To top it off, half of the ships I buy are poorly assembled. My YT-2400 can't be picked up without it falling off the peg and ships point 10-45 degrees to the right or left and are pitched in crazy angles off horizontal because some Chinese worker didn't spend time gluing in the peg. Darn it let me glue the darn legs in. K-wing has its top glue off 20 degrees and the phantom has a fin pointing off funny. Did fantasy flight take care of some of this. Yes. Other stuff they told me to go ....myself as that is considered within normal tolerances. I pay $25 for a YT-2400 and spend hours giving them picture and video only to be told put some sticky tack on it. So I bought another one a long with several others. Broke the slave one attempting to wiggle the pin out of it and it shattered. I use a Plano tackle box for storage so everything is a tight fit and can't be gluing stuff, plus it is unsightly. We buy this stuff because they look good as well.

I am just angry that they screw up over so brazenly. I mean toss a bone every once in a while. One $20 pack of the fixes and upgrade cards, or even $2.50 a card would be tolerable, just don't for the love of everything holy make me buy a bunch of epic ships just to play the broken stuff you already sold me. There just is no reason in 100 points to have two defenders and even if they made them good enough for there to be just sell me your fix as part of the new stuff coming out. It is not a loyalty program, it is not charity, it is just the decent thing to do. I am honestly more angry at those less fortunate than me who really have to save to buy their stuff. That is what really angers me. Not that they are cheating some almost 49 year old out of some money but the college student.

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Buyer beware, be very very aware. *** there are many elements to this game that are similar to a scam.

The only way to really avoid this is play this game in a bubble and think of it as just another game in your collection, use printed proxies and play with a few friends who don't plan on playing it very often so your small force stays fresh. If you attempt to make this a major focal point of a gaming collection, you are in for some very expensive hard knocks brought to you through shady business practices. If you plan on playing competitively, plan on giving blood a few times a month to buy huge ships that will do nothin but collect dust on your dresser or shelves which will become the ire of your significant other. You'll also start to need to hustle for the money you'll need keep up.

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After many hundreds of dollars and many hard aches of chasing down a bunch of often crooked plastic miniatures, you might finally find what you are looking for...a collection that can win on occasion at your local store. If you don't play competitively and have friend(s) who allows you to make point fixes to ships to make them more viable than others, no worries. However, if you think you can take your stuff to a game store and be competitive for a period of time, forget about it. You might be able to get away with picking the right ships and finding the right upgrade cards on eBay, but that won't last long unless you are content with playing the same few lists over and over and over again ad nuasium. Oh, don't think you can just buy a ton of ships and mix and match and be competitive. You'll need cards from huge ships that are part of another version of the game called..."epic." Epic was the brainchild of someone who got a very, very big bonus one year unless they did to him what they did to me. This is where it gets so crazy, you might start pulling your hair out. Again, If you only plan on playing with a small group of friend and they allow you to print proxies than you will be ok. Just don't jenture out of the shire. If not be prepared to spend hundreds upon hundreds of dollars only to find your hundreds of dollars obsolete very soon unless you spend hundreds more, this is not the game for you.

All the stinking fixes the OP talks about is the worst practice of all and they should come in one master desk. X number of cards...one deck $20. Simple, simple, simple. Make better ships fantasy flight instead of attempting to sell people the same ship(s)they already have--albeit with a cool new paint strip...weeeeee! It is a hundred point game yet they want you to have 4 of everything because their appetite for greed cannot be quenched. This game is such a con job. I traded several board games for a starter collection and didn't realize most of the ships I had were worthless without a couple of pieces of cardboard. To make matters worse I bought a whole bunch of ships to add to my trade ($500+) figuring that would do it...a complete collection... only to soon find most of the stuff I bought was still not good enough unless I bought "epic" ships which IMHO are stupid for this version of Star Wars (that is why I have Armada for). Shame on you FF, shame on you.

Practically, forcing people to buy a $70 ship and several others huge, out of place, ships who don't play epic (silly IMHO) for a few cards just to be competitive is so devious and disegenuois. It is a slap in the face to their customers. This game was so misleading it was boarder line crooked what they did. Instead of just giving you the cards for the barely used Tie Defender and Tie bomber in say a recent new ship expansion as a thank you for being a continue patron, they approach it as, "Here you go have another two ships you already have that--stink point wise by the way--and you don't take away from home. The tie-defender which they are going to release their fix for by selling you another two ships takes up so many points by itself you sure as heck don't need 2 defenders. So you now have to buy another just to make the one you got serviceable instead of just including the card fix in say the new Tie inquisitor expansion. Sure you still have to buy a $15 ship, but it is new at least and reasonably priced and not an EPIC waste of space. Oh no, in their greed they put those fixes in stuff costing between $30-80--years later after you have been sitting on a pile of useless plastic long enough. Want to make your tie swarm better/different and not stale and have already bought 6-8 ties, here says FF, "let me sell you two more Tie's you don't need in a frigate expansion so you can get a few pieces of cardboard to play the tie swarm in a different manner than before--because they haven't gotten enough from you. It is one squeeze after another. It has gotten so far out of hand they have become both emboldened and brazen about it. People like me who had no idea what they where getting into just got body slammed money wise by these indifferent greedy people who willfully concealed these facts. Instead of designing new ships, they spend most of their time selling you the same darn stuff all over again. I now understand why so many people have finally left the game in disgust. They really rely on the ignorance of new customers to keep this crazy, "almost" crooked, business model going.

Worst part, it is such a greedy company they can't even put the pegs in most the ships so they are straight and point the correct direction. 60% look go in theory. Ships pitched to the side, ships facing 30-45 degrees in opposite directions, etc--even 10 degrees is ugly and I busted a save one attempting to fix the peg. Except to the pitching, most issues could be solved it they put a normal circular peg instead of a triable joint that the Chinese don't take the time to glue right 40% of the time. I bought a YT-2400 that just falls off the peg.p because the peg is messed up upon opening the box. I've played the game just a few times but it makes me sick to my stomach.p they have gotten away with this activity. When I mentioned something they said that falls within heir tolerance. FF thinks it is ok to buy a $27 ship and be forced to glue or put Ugly sticky tack into the hole so you can pick up a ship to move it. I can't glue to because then I can't transport it.

The fact the X-wing is a causual ship is also so egregious it merits disdain and mockery.

If I knew what I know now, FF would not have gotten a dime from me, not one dime. I feel ripped off so bad. Sure you can all say I didn't do my due diligence etc. fine...point taken. But in the history of buying anything in the last 30 years I can not tell you if I have even been taken/fooled so badly.

The level of greed this game rises to, is a a level for me never seen before in the history of gaming. I want C3-PO but I have to buy a ridiculous epic ship suited for Armada. Are you kidding me? Too bad boycotts never work because this kind of practice could be shut down quickly if people everywhere would stick together and refused to buy any new ships until they fixed this business model. In theory, it would start by getting the world's best players involved to say enough is enough.

Only, now when it is too late do I see the errors of my ways. I was surprised a great starter collection was dumbed for such a small amount, only now do I know.

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Storage is very easy. Plano tackle box and cut out the inside top for to binders:one for ships and one for upgrades. Two 9 pocket binders side sleeve holding.

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