Julia Brown - f107 -

[phantomsurfer 0]

A doubt about this card :

 

The text says : " Forced response ; After Julia Brown commits to a story , discard 2 card at random from your hand,then draw 2 cards" .

What happens if i got no cards, then " no hand" it is considered a cost for commiting J.B , you simply  do not trigger the forced response or you activate the 2nd part of the forced response only ?

 

In my opion simply is a side effect but it could be considered a " cost " to pay for commiting

Waitin for kind opinions

 

[Dam the Man 84]

Skipped the FAQ for some reason?

"Any time two effects are linked by the
word “then,” the first effect must resolve
in order for the second effect to occur.

For example: Julia Brown’s (Summons
of the Deep F107) text reads: “Forced
Response: After Julia Brown commits
to a story, discard 2 cards at random
from your hand, then draw 2 cards.” The
player must discard 2 cards at random
from his hand in order to draw the 2
cards." (p. 9)

[phantomsurfer 0]

Dam said:

Skipped the FAQ for some reason?

"Any time two effects are linked by the
word “then,” the first effect must resolve
in order for the second effect to occur.

For example: Julia Brown’s (Summons
of the Deep F107) text reads: “Forced
Response: After Julia Brown commits
to a story, discard 2 cards at random
from your hand, then draw 2 cards.” The
player must discard 2 cards at random
from his hand in order to draw the 2
cards." (p. 9)

 

You're right ! I just had a look on forced response and paying cost chapter

[Dadajef 0]

And the other good question is about : "if you have only one card in hand" should you discard it and draw nothing (to draw 2 cards you must discard 2 because of Then) or you discard nothing and keep your card (because FAQ says a Forced Response must trigger if able - and if able means : all the effect should apply or nothing) ?
 

[Bielius 0]

You wouldn't have to discard because the requirements are not met... as I can interpretate from LCG FAQ 1.0

(v1.0) Choosing Targets

...

In addition, a player cannot trigger a
card effect that requires him to choose
a certain number of targets if there are
not enough valid targets available.

...

(v1.0) Multiple Effects and the word “Then”

...

Any time two effects are linked by the
word “then,” the first effect must resolve
in order for the second effect to occur.

....

[Dadajef 0]

I think like you Bielius. Everybody is playing like that ? 

[Dam the Man 84]

Dadajef said:

I think like you Bielius. Everybody is playing like that ? 

That we like Bielius? Doubtful !

[Bielius 0]

Dam said:

Dadajef said:

 

I think like you Bielius. Everybody is playing like that ? 

 

 

That we like Bielius? Doubtful !

Too much English for my body.... What does it means Dam!?

You, understood, as well as me, that Dadajef simply said that he said!

Please, teach us, and write it correctly

[Dam the Man 84]

Bielius said:

Dam said:

 

Dadajef said:

 

I think like you Bielius. Everybody is playing like that ? 

 

 

That we like Bielius? Doubtful !

 

 

Too much English for my body.... What does it means Dam!?

You, understood, as well as me, that Dadajef simply said that he said!

Please, teach us, and write it correctly

If you connect Dadajef's second sentence with his first, you get a possible interpretation that he is asking if everyone plays he does, by liking Bielius.

Of course, his second sentence is referring to your answer in regard to the question posed in the thread, not in any way related to his man-crush on you .

Man, explaining my weird logic takes all the fun out of it .

[Bielius 0]

Sorry... too much for my simple mind!

I couldn't understand nothing... damned college English!

To know or not to know! That's the question!

[Dadajef 0]

Dam is playing with the word 'like' which have two different meanings : to compare something and to like/love something/someone. And in a good english I'm not sure you can say "I think like someone" ?  
 

[jhaelen 98]

Bielius said:

I couldn't understand nothing... damned college English!

Don't worry, the nature of nothingness isn't easy to understand, no matter what your native language is

[Archwraith666 0]

As for the "one card in hand" question... Julia brown does NOT say "Discard two cards from hand if able", she just says "Discard two cards from hand, then..." . Because of this wording, I would rule that you DO lose the one card you have, then because you did not perform the entire effect before the "then" you DO NOT draw two cards. For precedent, look to Byakhee Attack. If you are hit with it and  hold less than two cards in hand you do not discard because it says if able. Then again, the rulings in this game can be screwy so that's just my ruling.

[Bielius 0]

Sorry, but the FAQ seems clear:

(v1.0) Choosing Targets

...

In addition, a player cannot trigger a
card effect that requires him to choose
a certain number of targets if there are
not enough valid targets available.

...

(v1.0) Multiple Effects and the word “Then”

Any time two effects are linked by the
word “then,” the first effect must resolve
in order for the second effect to occur.

For example: Julia Brown’s (Summons
of the Deep F107) text reads: “Forced
Response: After Julia Brown commits
to a story, discard 2 cards at random
from your hand, then draw 2 cards.” The
player must discard 2 cards at random
from his hand in order to draw the 2
cards.

...

The first effect cannot be completed because there is not enough legal targets, the two cards (and any where says nothing about "if able")  so the entire effect is cancelled... then you cannot draw cards.

Take in mind the Faq wording about the "if able":

(v1.0) “If Able”
Certain card effects contain the text “if
able.” For these cards all normal rules
apply for choosing targets and triggering
effects, with one exception: If there is no
legal target during resolution, there is no
effect.

If you understand another think please explain it.

Cheers

[Archwraith666 0]

Nowhere does Julia Brown's text say anything about CHOOSING anything. So that ruling in the FAQ is questionable at best. Look through your cards, any card that chooses a target ( or targets) has the word CHOOSE in it's text. Julia Brown does not. Because of this fact, discarding two cards would seem to become a "do as much as you can" kind of effect. So, I stand corrected (in light of the FAQ regarding Julia), but it just shows that these rulings seem a bit off, at least to me and my group. Without the established use of the word CHOOSE, it just makes no sense.

[Dadajef 0]

You don't choose anything in this case but cards in your hand are targeted by the effect. If you have no legal target, you have no effect. The effect says you must discard two cards. Your legal target is 2 cards, not zero or just one. And like says the faq Forced Responses must trigger, if able (faq p.9 about Forced Responses) so it means all the effect can resolve or nothing. After the "if able" clause is the most boring thing in the game, two players will not play the same "if able effect" in the same way. Some words like "exactly" "up to", etc... will be better for the wording and clear for everybody.
 

[Hybrid 6]

Our playgroup has interpreted this issue as

Dadajef and Bielius have.