A New Star Trek series!

[Dagonet 7,246]

Voyager suffered from the computer game syndrome, every season they had to up the strength of the enemy they were facing. Where they struggled with the Kazon in season 1, they went against much greater enemies with relative ease later in the show's run.

 

Though the Year in Hell episode was great.

 

DS9 had the bonus of being a fixed location so they could explore the characters rather than locations. Add in a great storyline and a willingness to go beyond a single season with it.

 

Though I hated the Miles episodes. Especially where Keiko was involved.

[Dagonet 7,246]

 

I loved DS9 during the Dominion War period.

 

The final seasons of DS9 may be the best Sci-Fi that has ever aired on television. (Because Firefly was cancelled before it could claim the title)

 

 

 

BSG }:|

[Robin Graves 6,054]

 

 

I loved DS9 during the Dominion War period.

 

The final seasons of DS9 may be the best Sci-Fi that has ever aired on television. (Because Firefly was cancelled before it could claim the title)

 

 

 

BSG }:|

 

 The Original series

 

[Dagonet 7,246]

Noooooooooooooo

 

The new series is much much better.

[Forgottenlore 9,838]

The original BSG was a bad show (but VERY 70's) that did a wonderful job of world building.

The new BSG was a slow, horrifying train wreck. I kept wanting to look away, but was unable to tear my gave away from the disaster.

My cousin described the new BSG like this "You know all the tired old cliches and overused tropes that make bad sci-fi bad? The new BSG manages to avoid all of them and instead invents completely new ways to be terrible. "

Edited November 17, 2015 by Forgottenlore

[Darth Chuck 532]

The new BSG reminded me of a crazy girlfriend.  You really should break up with it, but...  You.  Just.  Can't...

 

I don't even remember how it ended.  At that point I was already pot committed so I had to see it through the bitter end.

[Robin Graves 6,054]

I found the new BSG cold and sterile with a cast of unlikable characters and cylons that looked fake.

It's very much a product of it's time. The only good things about it can be summed up in two words: Tricia Helfer. Ok, Ok my personal opinion is a bit harch but then again the Original series lies close to my heart and the new one just didn't do it for me. I have no problem with a female Starbuck. Dirk Benedict got over it and so did I.

 

Mind you, the old series had its goofy moments. Like that one episode in wich Baltar shouts "I've finally done it Adama! I'm bigger than you! Bigger than you!" So all this human vs cylon war was about who had the bigest d*ck?

Edited November 18, 2015 by Robin Graves

[Forgottenlore 9,838]

Just to formally take this completely off topic,

 

There was a point about halfway through the new BSG when I was musing on how it just kept teasing you with the potential for quality but never delivering on it, and I was comparing it to the original and I thought I had an epiphany. I thought I saw a pattern in the random, batsh*% crazyness they were doing. After, like, 3-4 seasons, it started to look to me like they had actually been recycling the better story lines from the original series. A runaway fire on the ship, a political movement to settle a new planet despite still being in too much danger from the Cylons. And I thought "Wow, if they manage to pay that off, it might actually be something really cool". That would mean that the shoulder angels of Baltar and Caprica are actually early manifestations/foreshadowing of Count Iblis and that they would gradually be introducing their own, radically altered take on, the Beings of Light and have a big story arc involving that conflict before doing a season or two when they find Earth but have to deal with the Eastern Alliance and a space faring society that would ally with the Cylons. I thought that could be the biggest payoff in Sci-Fi.

 

But I was wrong and they didn't do any of that. Instead we got "Magic robot baby blood cures cancer".

 

 

Whenever I post radically off topic like this, I always try and add something vaguely relating to the actual topic at the end, just so it isn't a total waste.

 

So...

 

I got nothin'.  Um... Star Trek is cool? (maybe)

Edited November 18, 2015 by Forgottenlore

[Robin Graves 6,054]

Meh, Trek, BSG, Both are sci-fi.  Being on topic is irrelevant.

 

Ok ok, I'll try: What if in Trek one day a fleet of space ships enters the Alpha quadrant and it's some human civilisation that has evolved on the other side of (or another) galaxy? Would they get to join the Federation? Would they want to? What if they were being pursued by another race? *

 

 

 

 

 

* i haven't seen every Trek episode, and I've forgotten quite a few, so this might have happened in an ep of one of the series.

[Forgottenlore 9,838]

I've often thought about the scenario of the Galactica eventually finding the 13th tribe and it being another, known sci fi universe. Kinda fun to hypothesize about the reactions.

[Dagonet 7,246]

I've often thought about the scenario of the Galactica eventually finding the 13th tribe and it being another, known sci fi universe. Kinda fun to hypothesize about the reactions.

 

Based on Galactica the sci-fi universe would have to be kinda gritty/realistic, not too advanced.

Firefly 'verse?

 

Those two would match.

 

Reavers vs the Cylons.

 

It's like the old Trek vs Star Wars debates. Who would win (Star Wars of course, due to sheer numbers, can you imagine a Star Destroyer with transporters and replicators)?

[Robin Graves 6,054]

 

I've often thought about the scenario of the Galactica eventually finding the 13th tribe and it being another, known sci fi universe. Kinda fun to hypothesize about the reactions.

 

Based on Galactica the sci-fi universe would have to be kinda gritty/realistic, not too advanced.

 

 

I'd figured Star Wars, I mean you can totaly see X-wings flying beside a Viper, can't you?

 

 

 

Also you could have Jawas vs Cylons! UTINI!

[Dagonet 7,246]

Sure you can see Vipers flying alongside X-Wings: They're called E-Wings. .

 

The Viper Mk VII, now there's a sexy beast.

[Forgottenlore 9,838]

Since BSG was originally an attempt to copy Star Wars, yeah, they go together really well.

[Robin Graves 6,054]

That reminds me (and gets us back on topic): How come trek has so little fighter combat? Doesn't anyone use carriers in that universe? (I think only the Vaadwaur have fighters, but I could be wrong.)

Edited November 19, 2015 by Robin Graves

[Forgottenlore 9,838]

Because Star Trek space combat mimics napoleonic age of sail naval warfare, not 20th century world war era naval combat, so no, there are no carriers at least originally. (to the extent that ST combat mimics anything realistic instead of just 2 ships sitting still facing each other and taking turns shooting).

[Darth Chuck 532]

Trek also has the worst ship designs ever.  How tough would it be to blow an engine off the Enterprise?  They are just sitting out there on thin struts just waiting for a photon torpedo to blow a hole through.  Ship sections joined by thin struts is not a good design for any type of warship.  At least the Klingons had the sense to enclose the engines inside the bulk of the hull.  Now the bridge being attached to the rest of the ship by a thin strut...

[Dagonet 7,246]

And tactics consist of wall of ships attack wall of ships.

[WingedSpider 1,266]

That reminds me (and gets us back on topic): How come trek has so little fighter combat? Doesn't anyone use carriers in that universe? (I think only the Vaadwaur have fighters, but I could be wrong.)

The Federation has fighters that appear in Deep Space 9 ("Sacrifice of Angels"). Fighters aren't deployed from carriers though and aren't very common in Star Trek combat, probably because of the focus on a central large ship as the main setting in most Star Trek series. 

 

Edited November 19, 2015 by WingedSpider

[Robin Graves 6,054]

Trek also has the worst ship designs ever.  How tough would it be to blow an engine off the Enterprise?  They are just sitting out there on thin struts just waiting for a photon torpedo to blow a hole through.  Ship sections joined by thin struts is not a good design for any type of warship.  At least the Klingons had the sense to enclose the engines inside the bulk of the hull.  Now the bridge being attached to the rest of the ship by a thin strut...

making the Romulan Bird of prey the best by default.

 

[Robin Graves 6,054]

And tactics consist of wall of ships attack wall of ships.

 

With space being three dimensional you'd think they would employ different tactics.

 

Anyone here ever play Battlefleet Gothic? That game had spaceships with broadside guns, meaning you could literally use 18th century naval tactics like "Crossing the T" to good efect. (And even that game had carriers!)

[GrimmyV 7,421]

I would have had no problem with the 'reimagined' BSG...if they had called it anything else but BSG. It's not like it actually had anything to do with the original except a rag tag fleet running from a powerful enemy. The characters were all radically different and even had completely different relationships to each other. The nature of the enemy was even altered to become unrecognizable. The ultimate end point of the series shows that it was basically a totally new show reusing names to gain a prexisting fanbase for an early ratings jump.

At least I still have my memories of the original in all its campy glory. Still the best theme music and opening credits of any TV series.

[Forgottenlore 9,838]

Re: engines. The technobabble explanation is that something about warp technology requires that the warp engines be mounted in nacelles away from the main body of the ship. That's why most ships in ST have that feature, though they ignored it more than once.

[RogueCorona 1,043]

The Trek EU has carriers and small fighters but usually and on screen small fighters are being used by rebel groups and such. Most fighters used by the big fleets on screen are closer to in size and role patrol boats or gunboats then a fighter like in Star Wars.

[Hobojebus 11,341]

The difference is trek shields stop both energy and physical attacks while wars just stops energy, so fighters shooting waves of torpedoes can do massive damage to a capital ship.

But in trek fighters are ineffective compared to even a science ship.