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I have a player that wants to play a force using droid....Actually a droid that longs for force use. He wants the droid to have been a helper to Jedi Council or some such and was witness to Order 66. He wants the droid to see the Force as a manifestation of sentience. He wants the droid to working at starting a Cult of Droid Force using or some such. He understands I will not allow Force using droids. Also per RAW. I see a droid that has spent that much time with Jedi temple or council as being knowledgeable enough in the force to know he has no chance of being able to interact with the force. The player maintains that the droid would have faith that if he just trys hard enough he can do it. Where do you all stand on this question?

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Heh, your character may be playing the villain I have yet to introduce in my game.

 

Sounds to me like it's time for some clever droid to start dabbling in things that sentient beings were never meant to know.  Perhaps he starts replacing parts of himself with artificially grown organic material. Like cybernetics in reverse.  Perhaps he begins upgrading his memory banks with components made from kyber crystals.  Kidnapping organic sentients and attempting to hybridize them with droids in any way possible.  Also, getting hit with lightning for some reason.  Maybe, just maybe...  you let him succeed.

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My first thought is "How does the droid fit in with the game?" It's great people buy in to their character and put together grand plans, but will this be detrimental to the adventure, how will it impact on the other players.

 

Another consideration is how much will it affect the star wars feel of the game.  We know 2 famous droids that trailed through 6 (+1 upcoming possibly) films, have been there at all the key points, at no point did c3-po go "force crazy".  A strong reasoning is necessary, and of course there is the "memory wipe" possibility, so one would expect any such thoughts have serious consequences, ones easily removed with said memory wipe.

Will this take away from the SW feel droids add to the universe? 

 

There does also maybe a lot of extra GM work here, which if part of some underlying plot is fine, but if your general story goes elsewhere this seems to me to be a distraction.

 

Always though it's your game, and ultimately RAW are irrelevant.  

One could consider the affects of sith alchemy and rare/unique crystals implanted within the core of the droid could provide a plausible explanation to allow the character to use the force, but perhaps in a different way, and perhaps consideration to how morality will work.  Game Mechanics wise there needs to be consideration on force points and how the droid can use rolled dark or light points.  Perhaps using the points degrade the crystals embedded, or maybe limit the character to use dark or light only depending on your thoughts.

Again a lot of work for one character, so I would have the player come up with the lions sahre of the reasoning.

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If you're willing to dip into Legends, there's a silicon-based species that are essentially living crystals that make use of droid bodies, and can be Force-sensitive, to the point of even having their own Force Tradition, the Iron Knights.

 

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Shard

 

Simply use the rules for Droids as you would normally for any other Droid PC, and just bypass the whole "can't be Force-sensitive thing" that applies to most other droids.  And if their current droid body is destroyed (i.e. a critical injury that results in death), then the Shard itself got shattered and is no more.

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If you're willing to dip into Legends, there's a silicon-based species that are essentially living crystals that make use of droid bodies, and can be Force-sensitive, to the point of even having their own Force Tradition, the Iron Knights.

 

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Shard

 

Simply use the rules for Droids as you would normally for any other Droid PC, and just bypass the whole "can't be Force-sensitive thing" that applies to most other droids.  And if their current droid body is destroyed (i.e. a critical injury that results in death), then the Shard itself got shattered and is no more.

Interesting.  Reminds me of a Stargate SG-1 episode featuring sentient crystal formations.

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Hey, there was a guy who made a super fun "force sensitive droid" build a while ago. It was basically a droid constructed to believe himself a Jedi, and who replicated some Force powers through gadgets (like replicating Move with a pair of mini-tractor beams).

I found it quite interesting, but I'm too lazy to dip in the boards for it... :P

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I'm likely going to be the odd man out on this ....... but I don't see it as a workable PC concept. I think it's a great idea for an insane NPC droid villain that is doing some very unwholesome things to people in order to get in touch with the Force .... but sadly I don't think a sane droid would spend any real length of time with the Jedi and not know that it would never be able to use the Force. What the player seems to pitch sounds like droid madness and the kind of madness that leads to villainous acts.

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I'm likely going to be the odd man out on this ....... but I don't see it as a workable PC concept. I think it's a great idea for an insane NPC droid villain that is doing some very unwholesome things to people in order to get in touch with the Force .... but sadly I don't think a sane droid would spend any real length of time with the Jedi and not know that it would never be able to use the Force. What the player seems to pitch sounds like droid madness and the kind of madness that leads to villainous acts.

I disagree. Mental disability (such as a droid with delusions of being a Jedi), does not make someone a bad person.

 

It sounds fun and workable.

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I'm likely going to be the odd man out on this ....... but I don't see it as a workable PC concept. I think it's a great idea for an insane NPC droid villain that is doing some very unwholesome things to people in order to get in touch with the Force .... but sadly I don't think a sane droid would spend any real length of time with the Jedi and not know that it would never be able to use the Force. What the player seems to pitch sounds like droid madness and the kind of madness that leads to villainous acts.

I disagree. Mental disability (such as a droid with delusions of being a Jedi), does not make someone a bad person.

 

It sounds fun and workable.

 

 

I'm not saying mental disability in general is bad. I'm saying this particular of description of it sounds bad to me. I knew going in that people were not going to agree with my stance, hence why I opened with "I'm likely going to be the odd man out on this". 

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I'm likely going to be the odd man out on this ....... but I don't see it as a workable PC concept. I think it's a great idea for an insane NPC droid villain that is doing some very unwholesome things to people in order to get in touch with the Force .... but sadly I don't think a sane droid would spend any real length of time with the Jedi and not know that it would never be able to use the Force. What the player seems to pitch sounds like droid madness and the kind of madness that leads to villainous acts.

And yet in Return of the Jedi we get to see Threepio say "I never knew I had it in me…" after Luke levitates him before the Ewok village.  I'd argue that Threepio had been around enough Jedi shenanigans (even without the prequel trilogy memory wipe) but still believed there was a chance he actually levitated himself. I mean it could calculate the odds of surviving a dash through an asteroid field yet still believed he had magicked himself across the village and he seemed pretty sane.

 

If a droid had been around the Jedi temple and had heard someone describe using the Force (-especially being around younglings who must have tried and failed on occasions) then I don't see why that compiled with the trauma of the massacre at the temple might mess with its programming to the point it might believe its capable. Star Wars droids seem pretty emotional and in the expanded/legends settings the crazy ones always seem to have undergone some traumatic event.

 

In the end, if its fun for the gaming table then why not? I think it'd be a pretty interesting addition to the group!

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1. Lightsaber Skill doesn't require Force Rating.

2. No Specialisation requires a Force Rating.

So if you focus on a tree that has minimal Force Tallents then you can do some of what a Jedi does without being Jedi.

Good examples are Peacekeeper, Advisor and all 3 Warrior Specs. With the background you suggested the Advisor for a social character and Shi Cho for a combat.

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And yet in Return of the Jedi we get to see Threepio say "I never knew I had it in me…" after Luke levitates him before the Ewok village. 

 

I was pretty sure Threepio was joking. And Threepio's response to the entire scene indicated he had no idea what was going on or even that levitating someone was possible. I don't even think Threepio believed in the Force until that moment. His reaction was more disbelief.  

 

 

 

If a droid had been around the Jedi temple and had heard someone describe using the Force (-especially being around younglings who must have tried and failed on occasions) then I don't see why that compiled with the trauma of the massacre at the temple might mess with its programming to the point it might believe its capable. Star Wars droids seem pretty emotional and in the expanded/legends settings the crazy ones always seem to have undergone some traumatic event.

 

I also don't believe droids suffer trauma. They aren't a living being with real emotions. I think a droid who was around Jedi a lot and served the Jedi Order would know beyond a shadow of a doubt that droids can't use the Force. Any such droid that believed it could would, in my opinion, have had a break from reality and based on the description given by the OP I suspect a dangerous break with reality. 

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I have a player that wants to play a force using droid....Actually a droid that longs for force use. He wants the droid to have been a helper to Jedi Council or some such and was witness to Order 66. He wants the droid to see the Force as a manifestation of sentience. He wants the droid to working at starting a Cult of Droid Force using or some such. He understands I will not allow Force using droids. Also per RAW. I see a droid that has spent that much time with Jedi temple or council as being knowledgeable enough in the force to know he has no chance of being able to interact with the force. The player maintains that the droid would have faith that if he just trys hard enough he can do it. Where do you all stand on this question?

 

There is a line in the droid description that say they cant have Force rating or use the Force. It's also established in  the star wars lore than the Force dont flow through complete mechanical being. So why the arguing? Of course, if you want to ignore the rules to please your player, it's a different story.

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As long as it's a pure roleplaying thing and the PC accepts that they'll never be a Force user (barring perhaps some truly extraordinary circumstances), then I don't see this as being too big of a problem as long as the droid's desire remains primarily an role-playing thing.

 

When I'd suggested using a Shard, that was under the impression the PC wanted a Droid that was a Force user.  If it's simply a case of Pinocchio Syndrome, then game mechanics as is are fine. 

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I have a player that wants to play a force using droid....  [...]  Where do you all stand on this question?

 

Just... No.

 

As mentioned above, repeatedly, the rules explicitly disallow droids from having a Force rating.  Droids aren't organic, so they can't manipulate the Force.  End of line.  

 

It doesn't make a difference how much the player or the character's player wants it.  I want a diamond pony that vomits rainbow sherbet...  doesn't mean I'm gonna get one.

 

DM's response is great.  If the player wants to play a droid that longs to be able to use the Force, great.  I personally hate that Shards exists, but... they did, at least in the now-nuked EU, so whatever.  I hope they never resurface in the current game.

 

Additionally, there was an interesting thread a few weeks ago about a delusional droid that thought it was a Jedi master (didn't know it was a droid) and used various tech to mimic force powers (here).  I'll see if I can find the link.

 

Edit: Added link.

Edited by LethalDose

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Well this topic has convinced me to create a Shard PC.

Once moderators have approved this reply, and I'm officially part of the FFG community, you'll be able to read all about my plans.

As long as you, your player and the group are happy I say go for it!

Just because they're EU doesn't mean they can't be used. I'm all for sticking to Canon, but not at the expense of FUN.

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As I understand the OP, the player wants to create a droid who wants to use the Force. The player understands that droids cannot use the Force. But his character, the droid, does not understand this; the droid believes that if he tries hard enough he will be able to touch the Force.

 

This sounds like an excellent character concept, very quirky. As long as it works at your table, I say yes.

 

Also. Iron Knights are a totally different animal. IMO, they shouldn't be played as "Force using droids." They should be played as "silicon-based Force users who have mechanical 'bodies' as a means of physical interaction with the world." I wouldn't ever suggest an Iron Knight to a player who wanted to play a droid. Droids are droids, and shards/Iron Knights are something else. Similar, but different enough that the two character concepts should be completely at odds with each other. Again, my opinion. 

 

Now, a droid that believes he's an Iron Knight...that could lead to some very fun shenanigans. I say do it. 

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As I understand the OP, the player wants to create a droid who wants to use the Force. The player understands that droids cannot use the Force. But his character, the droid, does not understand this; the droid believes that if he tries hard enough he will be able to touch the Force.

 

This sounds like an excellent character concept, very quirky. As long as it works at your table, I say yes.

 

Also. Iron Knights are a totally different animal. IMO, they shouldn't be played as "Force using droids." They should be played as "silicon-based Force users who have mechanical 'bodies' as a means of physical interaction with the world." I wouldn't ever suggest an Iron Knight to a player who wanted to play a droid. Droids are droids, and shards/Iron Knights are something else. Similar, but different enough that the two character concepts should be completely at odds with each other. Again, my opinion. 

 

Now, a droid that believes he's an Iron Knight...that could lead to some very fun shenanigans. I say do it.

I agree.

I tried to do the Force Sensitive "droid", but didn't turn out so well.

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I know I am late to the Party on this topic, but I think the OP and his player should look at Proxy from Force Unleashed.  It was a holo-droid specifically built to train Starkiller. Proxy could mimic various jedi and sith for training purposes. Not just their appearance, but also their fighting styles. It is listed that he had detailed files of each person he could mimic which where stored as modules in his databank.  While it did not have the ability to use the force it did have considerable skill with a lightsaber. 

Starting from that you could take a training droid like Proxy and have its programming merge with one of the profiles of a jedi master used in a training module. So that it has a genuine belief in the Force, but understands the limitations of being a droid. As someone posted  earlier it might then adopt technology to give it force-like powers. 

 

Also I would consider the Shards/Iron Knights more like Cyborgs than Droids. 

Edited by TakeshiMasaki

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I think as long as your player realizes that they will not be able to manifest the force in anyway shape of form as a droid then why not let him play the droid like he believes it's possible?  As long as the player is ok with it, the character can believe whatever they wish too. Seems pretty fun to me.

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In my current campaign, my GM and I are using a Shard Dark Jedi to slowly take control of my droid character, who she is slowly corrupting the programming of using her abilities. Every other member of our merry band of Rebel agents, however, thinks that the Shard is an ancient Sith weapon and most of them are planning on using her for their own nefarious purposes.

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The droid must become a force vampire.

 

He finds force sensitives and drains the midichlorians out of them to put them directly into his oil stream.

 

Also, Yoda pretty much said the force exists in all things. If it exists between a rock and a tree, why can't it be in a droid?

 

also, http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Skippy_the_Jedi_Droid

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Another tact would be for the Droid to make use of "tech" to Imitate the force. 

 

Miniature tractor Beams used to imitate the "Move" ability. 

He has sensors and thus can use them to "Sense" living things. 

 

There are many things that could be used to Imitate "Enhance" abilities Jump jets or Tractor beams to create a Force leap appearance.

 

Artoo Nearly replicated a "Force lightning" effect on occasion, if in miniature. 

 

If I were going to make a droid with Delusions of Jedi (or Sith ) Grandeur, this is what I would do. 

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