Quad Laser Turrets

[kami689 156]

So this is an interesting upgrade, it allows any ship to gain Counter 1 if the attacker is a squadron.

 

 

Now this brings up an interesting question. Now for a majority of ships, they only have 1 die for their AS battery, so this card is pretty straight forward.

 

But for for the Raider 2, which has both a black and blue AS battery, when it would be attacked, which dice would you use? Say a squadron attacks at distance 1, would you then get to choose whether you want to roll a blue or black die? This is how I think it will be, but I just want opinions from others to make sure my thinking is right.

 

Also as an aside, do you see yourself using this much? Me personally I think it is going to be awesome, especially for fleets that run a minimal fighter screen. Throw this on your flagship and enemy squadrons will want to think twice about attacking.

[Ceryliae 75]

Counter is defined in the rule book as using blue dice.

[Corellian Corvette 1,733]

Counter is an attack that uses as many blue dice as is specified: so in this case, a counter 1 means you preform an attack with 1 blue dice.

 

Preforming an attack can trigger all other sorts of upgrade cards though, the most popular right now would be to pair this with warlord and h9 turbolasers for a guarinteed damage every time they attack you.  You could also trigger Dominator and spend 2 shields to roll 3 dice, then use Leading shots to remove a die, and reroll the rest.

[kami689 156]

Thanks for clarifying that for me

I really need to pay closer attention to certain things lol.

[Spellbound 27]

This could make warlord....well not unassailable but really limits what squadrons can do to it.  Or at least for how long they can.

 

....Wait, does this take up a turbolaser slot?  Then you can't make it have H9 and this.  Boo...

[Lyraeus 4,759]

This could make warlord....well not unassailable but really limits what squadrons can do to it.  Or at least for how long they can.

 

....Wait, does this take up a turbolaser slot?  Then you can't make it have H9 and this.  Boo...

No. This takes your offensive upgrade slot. So this or Expanded Hanger Bay

[Vineheart01 6,403]

Expanded Hangar Bay....

hmm...

hmm...

 

tough decision! *cough*

 

anyway, the counter isnt as awesome as it may sound but considering it takes a slot thats not very important and its a cheap card, might as well take it.

Odds are if you have it, enemy squadrons will prefer to NOT shoot you, but because of your title card to make them engaged theyre forced to either hit you or fly in very wide and unfavorable patterns to dodge you. WIthout this card, doubt the fighters would fear you as much.

I have the same thought pattern with Interceptors and A-Wings. I really dont want to shoot them with my squadrons because that counter can be a pain in the butt. Obviously i will if i think i can kill it reliably but i wont take potshots lol

[Lyraeus 4,759]

It also takes the tractor beam slot

[DiabloAzul 2,636]

It also takes the tractor beam slot

 

Yeah, but you really want to slap the beam on a VSD or ISD anyway as otherwise it's useless vs guppies.

[Lyraeus 4,759]

It also takes the tractor beam slot

 

Yeah, but you really want to slap the beam on a VSD or ISD anyway as otherwise it's useless vs guppies.

Raider's with tractor Beams can slow a Shrimp down.

[DiabloAzul 2,636]

Anything with tractor beams can slow a shrimp down

 

Not saying there's no reason to put the beams on a Raider, but more often than not you'll get more bang for your buck if you put them on a larger ship instead.

[Lyraeus 4,759]

Anything with tractor beams can slow a shrimp down

 

Not saying there's no reason to put the beams on a Raider, but more often than not you'll get more bang for your buck if you put them on a larger ship instead.

To stay in range you would want to. Your ISD can almost keep pace and the VSD loses out fast

[Reiryc 619]

Counter is an attack that uses as many blue dice as is specified: so in this case, a counter 1 means you preform an attack with 1 blue dice.

 

Preforming an attack can trigger all other sorts of upgrade cards though, the most popular right now would be to pair this with warlord and h9 turbolasers for a guarinteed damage every time they attack you.  You could also trigger Dominator and spend 2 shields to roll 3 dice, then use Leading shots to remove a die, and reroll the rest.

 

I disagree about the blue dice for the counter... from the Raider article:

 

 

"Meanwhile, the Instigator serves as a shield between your opponent's fighters and the rest of your fleet. In fact, because it can engage enemy squadrons, it can, in most ways, replace the need for a fighter screen, especially when it's further outfitted with Quad Laser Turrets and Ordnance Experts . These upgrades enhance the threat the ship poses to enemy squadrons by granting it both counter 1 and the ability to reroll any number of its black attack dice; the Raider I-class Corvette has two black dice in its anti-squadron armament."

 

So it wouldn't reference counter and black dice reroll if counter was only blue dice.

 

Now I'm not saying FFG's article isn't wrong, but I do believe the counter can be used for either black or blue depending on the ship you take---raider 1 or raider2.

 

I also looked up counter in the RRG and it refers only to squadrons using counter, not ships. 

Edited September 25, 2015 by Reiryc

[Lyraeus 4,759]

Counter is an attack that uses as many blue dice as is specified: so in this case, a counter 1 means you preform an attack with 1 blue dice.

 

Preforming an attack can trigger all other sorts of upgrade cards though, the most popular right now would be to pair this with warlord and h9 turbolasers for a guarinteed damage every time they attack you.  You could also trigger Dominator and spend 2 shields to roll 3 dice, then use Leading shots to remove a die, and reroll the rest.

 

I disagree about the blue dice for the counter... from the Raider article:

 

 

"Meanwhile, the Instigator serves as a shield between your opponent's fighters and the rest of your fleet. In fact, because it can engage enemy squadrons, it can, in most ways, replace the need for a fighter screen, especially when it's further outfitted with Quad Laser Turrets and Ordnance Experts . These upgrades enhance the threat the ship poses to enemy squadrons by granting it both counter 1 and the ability to reroll any number of its black attack dice; the Raider I-class Corvette has two black dice in its anti-squadron armament."

 

So it wouldn't reference counter and black dice reroll if counter was only blue dice.

 

Now I'm not saying FFG's article isn't wrong, but I do believe the counter can be used for either black or blue depending on the ship you take---raider 1 or raider2.

 

I also looked up counter in the RRG and it refers only to squadrons using counter, not ships.

I think you are misreading the context. They showed 2 cards then explained in that order on what those cards can do.

Unleas the card modifies the counter ability, you use the counter ability. Quad Laser Turrets don't modify the counter ability.

[Reiryc 619]

 

 

Counter is an attack that uses as many blue dice as is specified: so in this case, a counter 1 means you preform an attack with 1 blue dice.

 

Preforming an attack can trigger all other sorts of upgrade cards though, the most popular right now would be to pair this with warlord and h9 turbolasers for a guarinteed damage every time they attack you.  You could also trigger Dominator and spend 2 shields to roll 3 dice, then use Leading shots to remove a die, and reroll the rest.

 

I disagree about the blue dice for the counter... from the Raider article:

 

 

"Meanwhile, the Instigator serves as a shield between your opponent's fighters and the rest of your fleet. In fact, because it can engage enemy squadrons, it can, in most ways, replace the need for a fighter screen, especially when it's further outfitted with Quad Laser Turrets and Ordnance Experts . These upgrades enhance the threat the ship poses to enemy squadrons by granting it both counter 1 and the ability to reroll any number of its black attack dice; the Raider I-class Corvette has two black dice in its anti-squadron armament."

 

So it wouldn't reference counter and black dice reroll if counter was only blue dice.

 

Now I'm not saying FFG's article isn't wrong, but I do believe the counter can be used for either black or blue depending on the ship you take---raider 1 or raider2.

 

I also looked up counter in the RRG and it refers only to squadrons using counter, not ships.

I think you are misreading the context. They showed 2 cards then explained in that order on what those cards can do.

Unleas the card modifies the counter ability, you use the counter ability. Quad Laser Turrets don't modify the counter ability.

 

Counter is an attack.  Quads let you reroll black dice in an attack.

 

The anti-squadron dice on the raider in question are black dice.

 

counter is defined in the rule book as a squadron effect of blue dice.  It doesn't say ship effect. 

[Lyraeus 4,759]

And the card let's that rule be broken. There is no modifying text stating "ship gains counter 1 with its anti squadron armament"

Standard counter effect. If it was not they would of put nice little italicized text stating it was different.

[Reiryc 619]

And the card let's that rule be broken. There is no modifying text stating "ship gains counter 1 with its anti squadron armament"

Standard counter effect. If it was not they would of put nice little italicized text stating it was different.

 

What rule is broken?

 

Last I checked, the raider isn't a squadron.

 

There is no 'standard counter effect' for ships.

[Drasnighta 26,832]

 

 

 

Counter is an attack that uses as many blue dice as is specified: so in this case, a counter 1 means you preform an attack with 1 blue dice.

 

Preforming an attack can trigger all other sorts of upgrade cards though, the most popular right now would be to pair this with warlord and h9 turbolasers for a guarinteed damage every time they attack you.  You could also trigger Dominator and spend 2 shields to roll 3 dice, then use Leading shots to remove a die, and reroll the rest.

 

I disagree about the blue dice for the counter... from the Raider article:

 

 

"Meanwhile, the Instigator serves as a shield between your opponent's fighters and the rest of your fleet. In fact, because it can engage enemy squadrons, it can, in most ways, replace the need for a fighter screen, especially when it's further outfitted with Quad Laser Turrets and Ordnance Experts . These upgrades enhance the threat the ship poses to enemy squadrons by granting it both counter 1 and the ability to reroll any number of its black attack dice; the Raider I-class Corvette has two black dice in its anti-squadron armament."

 

So it wouldn't reference counter and black dice reroll if counter was only blue dice.

 

Now I'm not saying FFG's article isn't wrong, but I do believe the counter can be used for either black or blue depending on the ship you take---raider 1 or raider2.

 

I also looked up counter in the RRG and it refers only to squadrons using counter, not ships.

I think you are misreading the context. They showed 2 cards then explained in that order on what those cards can do.

Unleas the card modifies the counter ability, you use the counter ability. Quad Laser Turrets don't modify the counter ability.

 

Counter is an attack.  Quads let you reroll black dice in an attack.

 

The anti-squadron dice on the raider in question are black dice.

 

counter is defined in the rule book as a squadron effect of blue dice.  It doesn't say ship effect. 

 

 

 

So, one version of the Raider has 1 Black and 1 Blue as its Anti Squadron...

...  What is its counter One ?

[Lyraeus 4,759]

Counter: After a squadron preforms a counter attack against you, you may attack that squadron with an anti-squadron armament of X blue dice, even if you are destroyed

Edited September 26, 2015 by Lyraeus

[Drasnighta 26,832]

Counter: After a squadron preforms a non-counter attack against you, you may attack that squadron with an anti-squadron armament of X blue dice, even if you are destroyed

 

Quick Fix there.  Y'had Squadron on the Brain

[Reiryc 619]

Counter: After a squadron preforms a counter attack against you, you may attack that squadron with an anti-squadron armament of X blue dice, even if you are destroyed

And what heading does that come under?

That's ok, I know

Squadron keywords

Each squadron has one or more keywords with matching keyword icons. Each keyword produces the following effect for that squadron.

Does that say ship keyword? Does it say that the following effects apply to squadrons or ships?

[Reiryc 619]

Counter is an attack that uses as many blue dice as is specified: so in this case, a counter 1 means you preform an attack with 1 blue dice.

 

Preforming an attack can trigger all other sorts of upgrade cards though, the most popular right now would be to pair this with warlord and h9 turbolasers for a guarinteed damage every time they attack you.  You could also trigger Dominator and spend 2 shields to roll 3 dice, then use Leading shots to remove a die, and reroll the rest.

 

I disagree about the blue dice for the counter... from the Raider article:

 

 

"Meanwhile, the Instigator serves as a shield between your opponent's fighters and the rest of your fleet. In fact, because it can engage enemy squadrons, it can, in most ways, replace the need for a fighter screen, especially when it's further outfitted with Quad Laser Turrets and Ordnance Experts . These upgrades enhance the threat the ship poses to enemy squadrons by granting it both counter 1 and the ability to reroll any number of its black attack dice; the Raider I-class Corvette has two black dice in its anti-squadron armament."

 

So it wouldn't reference counter and black dice reroll if counter was only blue dice.

 

Now I'm not saying FFG's article isn't wrong, but I do believe the counter can be used for either black or blue depending on the ship you take---raider 1 or raider2.

 

I also looked up counter in the RRG and it refers only to squadrons using counter, not ships.

I think you are misreading the context. They showed 2 cards then explained in that order on what those cards can do.

Unleas the card modifies the counter ability, you use the counter ability. Quad Laser Turrets don't modify the counter ability.

Counter is an attack.  Quads let you reroll black dice in an attack.

 

The anti-squadron dice on the raider in question are black dice.

 

counter is defined in the rule book as a squadron effect of blue dice.  It doesn't say ship effect.

 

 

So, one version of the Raider has 1 Black and 1 Blue as its Anti Squadron...

...  What is its counter One ?

Your choice.

If you add a die due to concentrate fire out of a pool of red and blue dice, which One?

[Lyraeus 4,759]

No. You are now being obstinate.

It does not matter that it is a squadron keyword. The ship equipped with this card gets the keyword.

[Gowtah 196]

So a raider with only black defense dice magically gets a blue die for counter? cool. Not so cool for that rhymerball who specifically tried to play on his range advantage to stay out of close range.

 

This needs a clarification, the rule was probably written when the only things that could have counter had blue anti-squadron armament to begin with.

 

The ruleset isn't infaillible, and it is bound to evolve as new ships and cards with new effects show up. It will do so faster when people point out inconsistencies.

Edited September 26, 2015 by Gowtah

[Lyraeus 4,759]

So a raider with only black defense dice magically gets a blue die for counter? cool. Not so cool for that rhymerball who specifically tried to play on his range advantage to stay out of close range.

 

This needs a clarification, the rule was probably written when the only things that could have counter had blue anti-squadron armament to begin with.

 

The ruleset isn't infaillible, and it is bound to evolve as new ships and cards with new effects show up. It will do so faster when people point out inconsistencies.

Yea, the Raider upgraded one or two of its laser Turrets (cuz, blue dice can represent Laser Turrets) to a Quad Lasers.

Seems legit to me.