Can't find the proxy rule, Proxy figs ok at FFG tournaments?

[Gutter_Slugg 27]

My proxies are made from 100% FFG stock...

 

I believe I heard proxies are not allowed and would like clarification or point me to the rule.

 

Thanks,

 

Geremy

 

 

[DerBaer 1,223]

From: https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/4a/96/4a9680b4-3c9c-4543-8932-88ec85b4795d/swi-tournament-rules-111.pdf

 

 

Page 5:

Legal Products

Only official Imperial Assault components are legal for use in

tournament play. Proxies of cards and figures cannot be used.

Players cannot use the figure tokens provided in the Imperial

Assault core game in sanctioned tournaments. Third-party tokens

and counters may be allowed at the head judge’s discretion.

 

Page 4:

Component Modifications

During tournament play, each player is required to use the

components included in official Imperial Assault products (see

“Legal Products” on page 5). The head judge is the final

authority on any component’s eligibility in the tournament. If

a component is ruled ineligible and the player cannot locate a

replacement for it, that player is disqualified from the tournament.

 

It is possible for a player to have multiple identical Deployment

cards in his or her army. To avoid confusion that player must

identify each figure with its deployment group. This can be done

with a token, sticker, or any other form of marking.

 

Players are welcome and encouraged to personalize their Skirmish

army according to the following rules:

 

• Players can use the included ID stickers and tokens,

included in the Imperial Assault core game, by applying

matching stickers to each figure in a group and placing the

corresponding token on that group’s Deployment card.

 

• Players may paint their Imperial Assault figures.

 

• Deployment and Mission cards must remain unaltered, though

they may be sleeved for protection. Command cards must be

sleeved, and their sleeves must be identical and unaltered.

 

• Players may mark other Imperial Assault components such

as map tiles, tokens, etc to indicate ownership, but cannot

otherwise alter them in any way.

 

Officially, these rules are not in effect to have the customers buy the original products, but to reduce confusion in tournament games.

 

By the current wording: If an opponent in a tournament would insist on correct Luke- and Han-figures and you don't have spare unmodified figures with you,  the TO/judge would have to disqualify you from the tournament. If the TO/judge would allow the figures despite your opponent's protest, and your opponent complains at FFG, the TO/judge could get some trouble.

 

The question should be, where does painting end and where does converting start. These rules do not include glueing the AT-ST together or removing mold-lines before painting ...

 

Furthermore, the rules do not allow scenic bases. Sand is not paint.

 

Edited September 8, 2015 by DerBaer

[Gutter_Slugg 27]

Ha! Tournament rules... shold have known...

 

I just played my first games of IA (in a tournament no less) and it was awesome!

 

Thanks DerBaer.

[Gutter_Slugg 27]

"By the current wording: If an opponent in a tournament would insist on correct Rebel Saboteurs and you don't have spare Rebel Saboteurs with you that have the correct heads,  the TO/judge would have to disqualify you from the tournament. If the TO/judge would allow the figures despite your opponent's protest, and your opponent complains at FFG, the TO/judge could get some trouble.​"

 

These are Luke and Han proxies.

 

I ran a Luke, Han, Jyn, Diala, Mak and Gid list.  I enjoyed the game so much I wanted to paint the team...

 

But using them as saboteurs is an awesome idea!

 

Thanks!

Edited September 8, 2015 by Gutter_Slugg

[Fizz 986]

By the current wording: If an opponent in a tournament would insist on correct Luke- and Han-figures and you don't have spare unmodified figures with you,  the TO/judge would have to disqualify you from the tournament. If the TO/judge would allow the figures despite your opponent's protest, and your opponent complains at FFG, the TO/judge could get some trouble.

 

The question should be, where does painting end and where does converting start. These rules do not include glueing the AT-ST together or removing mold-lines before painting ...

 

Furthermore, the rules do not allow scenic bases. Sand is not paint.

Basically, it is up to the TO to make the call. Each TO could call it differently. Just make sure you have unaltered versions of the figs on the ready and you should be fine.

"Painting" starts and ends at color. Period. All you are doing is adding color and detail to the model.

"Conversion" technically starts as soon as you do something to alter the model in a physical way beyond simple coloration. This would include gluing, filing, pinning, shaving off mould lines, cutting off limbs, gluing on new parts, modifying the base, etc... Once you have started down the conversion path, forever will it dominate your destiny.

Edited September 8, 2015 by Fizz

[Gutter_Slugg 27]

Well said Fizz, I am already heading down that path... Lol!

[Spidey NZ 787]

technically they have the heads of the figures of the heroes.

 

[thestag 751]

If there is some question to the validity, all the tokens have ©LFL on the bottoms. While that doesn't preclude someone from swapping heads and such, as long as the underside isn't painted you could point to that as a sign of authenticity. Of course it would still be up to the TO to allow it or not.

[jespernohr 61]

If there is some question to the validity, all the tokens have ©LFL on the bottoms. While that doesn't preclude someone from swapping heads and such, as long as the underside isn't painted you could point to that as a sign of authenticity. Of course it would still be up to the TO to allow it or not.

Too bad for those that have swapped to clear acrylic bases  or like me that have done a head swap on one of my saboteur units to help tell them apart, both for me and my opponent.