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But...  From a business perspective?  If FFG hopes to lure in more customers - as opposed to catering to its small existent fan base - it will need to release a new line for the new films.  The End.

 

LOL

 

The End.

 

 

I mirror Lethal's amusement. It's also worth pointing out ..... that if the crowd that is already buying the product is considered small then the group that would be attracted by just Force Awakens would be significantly smaller than that. So much so as they would likely not make much of a difference on whether or not this game lives or dies. 

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You can't half your cake and it eat it two.

This is just my opinion which you need to except as literally a FACT, for all intensive purposes.

But if you don't, I could care less.

 

The End.

 

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It's too big to be an (accidental) space station.

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We should also consider how much content there will actually be at the time of writing. If they go with either a separate core or a per-game approach, the books are going to be less about new fluff and more about new X-Wings that have +2 Handling rather than +1. 

Plus the fact that FFG doesn't seem to be made privy to various secrets regarding the Star Wars franchise.

 

Going by Sam Stewart's comments on the most recent O66 podcast, they had zero idea what was going to take place during the Siege of Lothal episode, namely how drastically the status quo got changed in that one episode.

 

So odds are, anything they do create in terms of using TFA-based material is probably going to have to wait until after the movie drops.  And given the turn-around time on a book for Star Wars is roughly a year from conception to being on shelves, I'd say odds are good we won't be seeing any major TFA-based material until well into next year.

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We should also consider how much content there will actually be at the time of writing. If they go with either a separate core or a per-game approach, the books are going to be less about new fluff and more about new X-Wings that have +2 Handling rather than +1. 

Plus the fact that FFG doesn't seem to be made privy to various secrets regarding the Star Wars franchise.

 

Going by Sam Stewart's comments on the most recent O66 podcast, they had zero idea what was going to take place during the Siege of Lothal episode, namely how drastically the status quo got changed in that one episode.

 

So odds are, anything they do create in terms of using TFA-based material is probably going to have to wait until after the movie drops.  And given the turn-around time on a book for Star Wars is roughly a year from conception to being on shelves, I'd say odds are good we won't be seeing any major TFA-based material until well into next year.

 

 

The fact that FFG is kept out of the loop plays heavily into why I don't think they are interested in TFA material. By sticking to the OT they are free to develop their product line as they see fit with out having to worry about spoilers or playing catch up or having to revise old material to reflect the new reality in the movies. By sticking to this one period they have the freedom to do what they want, when they want. 

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The fact that FFG is kept out of the loop plays heavily into why I don't think they are interested in TFA material. 

 

I get that you're qualifying this as your opinion, but I think this overstates it a bit.  They're producing TFA products for X-wing after all.  I think it's likely they're interested the material, as it *will* sell product.  The question is what form will it take.

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I'd be happy to not get any ST stuff until the trilogy is complete, personally. Certainly throw a Beginner Game out there with stats for the new shinies, but as you guys say, I'd rather not buy a sourcebook that needs to be errata'd when Episode XIII (and then IX) comes out.

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The fact that FFG is kept out of the loop plays heavily into why I don't think they are interested in TFA material. 

 

I get that you're qualifying this as your opinion, but I think this overstates it a bit.  They're producing TFA products for X-wing after all.  I think it's likely they're interested the material, as it *will* sell product.  The question is what form will it take.

I agree in that FFG probably does plan to sell TFA-related products; the fact there's a new X-Wing starter box using TFA versions of the X-Wing and TIE fighter proves that much.

 

I just think that folks hoping for a new core rulebook are presuming that FFG has some kind of insider knowledge of what's going to happen in the film and thus be able to have a book out in time to coincide with the movie, when it's pretty clear they don't have such knowledge.

 

And by the time they could get said proposed TFA-focused core rulebook on shelves and containing info on the state of galactic affairs, it'd be months after the movie came out.

 

Thinking about it, I wonder if perhaps a simple thing that FFG could do to generate interest in their Star Wars RPG with a TFA-related product is to produce a free-to-download PDF adventure, not unlike Under a Black Sun with a group of pre-gen characters.  While it'd cost them money in the short run to have that written and produced, it'd certainly generate advertising for their Star Wars RPG and quite possibly draw folks in.

 

I do agree that a Beginner Box type of deal is probably more likely than a free PDF, but since everyone and their grandma seems to have an opinion, thought I might as well toss out the PDF adventure idea.

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The fact that FFG is kept out of the loop plays heavily into why I don't think they are interested in TFA material. 

 

I get that you're qualifying this as your opinion, but I think this overstates it a bit.  They're producing TFA products for X-wing after all.  I think it's likely they're interested the material, as it *will* sell product.  The question is what form will it take.

 

 

I'm specifically speaking about the rpg. I don't see anything they do for the X Wing game as any indication of what they will do for the rpg. This being the rpg forum I didn't think I'd need to qualify my statement with it being about the rpg and not their other Star Wars products.

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I'm specifically speaking about the rpg. I don't see anything they do for the X Wing game as any indication of what they will do for the rpg. This being the rpg forum I didn't think I'd need to qualify my statement with it being about the rpg and not their other Star Wars products.

 

 

I'm not sure if you missed my meaning or are trying to get belligerent.  I thought it was pretty clear that I wasn't including x-wing products as part of the RPG, and yes, this is obviously the RPG forum.

 

I think the inclusion of the new x-wing set lends support to the idea that they will also support TFA in the RPG.  It's obviously not a direct causal link, but, as I stated, I think it's at least weak supporting evidence.

 

You are, of course, welcome to disagree with me on this latter point.   Obviously neither your opinion or mine has any bearing on whether or not FFG actually has any interest in publishing RPG material for TFA.

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The fact that FFG is kept out of the loop plays heavily into why I don't think they are interested in TFA material. 

 

I get that you're qualifying this as your opinion, but I think this overstates it a bit.  They're producing TFA products for X-wing after all.  I think it's likely they're interested the material, as it *will* sell product.  The question is what form will it take.

 

 

I'm specifically speaking about the rpg. I don't see anything they do for the X Wing game as any indication of what they will do for the rpg. This being the rpg forum I didn't think I'd need to qualify my statement with it being about the rpg and not their other Star Wars products.

 

 

 

I think it's more that they aren't going to disrupt their existing schedule to produce a TFA book immediately upon the film's release. My guess is that the writers will have already seen the film (with the rest of us) when they start their first drafts.

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Necro thread for May 4th!

 

As someone who couldn't care less about the new movies or cartoons, I'd be happy with an 'era book' or including the new stuff seeded throughout the other releases. Heck, make Old Republic or Clone Wars too, I'd buy that.

 

I wouldn't personally buy a new Core Book if it was merely reprints of what we already have from the other lines.  I'd certainly get it if it had a decent amount of new stuff .

 

The new Beginner's box is a great idea as it is bound to bring in new players, for some of whom  'Force Awakens' will be their first Star Wars movie.  It will be an 'entry drug' to the rest of the system :)  And I can always use more maps and dice.

 

But at this point, I just want to see something - anything! - announced for the existing game.

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And slapping the adventure together isnt that much work. There's a hide encounter, a melee/brawl fight, a social enteraction, an intermission to spend XP (Or in this case, turn the page on the character sheet) and generate a DP pool, a fight with ranged weapon, a fight with a nemesis/Rival and a vehicle encounter.

 

Boom, that's EotE and AoR in a nutshell.

 

If anything putting together the artwork and the followup PDF will be more work than the box.

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Seeing how this is a stand-alone product and no new core will follow (as per Sam Steward) I wouldn't be surprised if this is tge beginning of the release of "era-books". The line for EotE (in terms of careers) is almost done and thy will be looking at a new big release to announce every other month or so.

Thus Era books seem like a good idea. The Old Republic, The Prequel Era, the Clone Wars, the New Republic, etc.

Anyway, just my 2 cents.

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Seeing how this is a stand-alone product and no new core will follow (as per Sam Steward) I wouldn't be surprised if this is tge beginning of the release of "era-books". The line for EotE (in terms of careers) is almost done and thy will be looking at a new big release to announce every other month or so.

Thus Era books seem like a good idea. The Old Republic, The Prequel Era, the Clone Wars, the New Republic, etc.

Anyway, just my 2 cents.

That would be interesting. But I don't see any Old Republic or Legacy books on the rise. They may take elements from those eras, but I would be surprised to see any dedicated books. FFG seems to stick to canon eras and that may be because Disney/Lucas wants them to. So a Prequel Era book or Clone Wars book could be possibilities, not TOR or Legacy Era books. Once we have more information on the future (after the new movies) I could see book(s) on it as well. Until then we will probably see elements dropped in here or there much like we are seeing elements of Rebels pop up in books.

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I'm going with we will see new material released but it'll be in support of marketing the new content. So TFA, ep 8, anything from the past will likely center on the anthology movies and whatever they do with Netflix shows. I don't see Disney green lighting material that doesn't support marketing the new content. Of course who knows where the content will go in the timeline.

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I'm going with we will see new material released but it'll be in support of marketing the new content. So TFA, ep 8, anything from the past will likely center on the anthology movies and whatever they do with Netflix shows. I don't see Disney green lighting material that doesn't support marketing the new content. Of course who knows where the content will go in the timeline.

 

I think you're correct, though I wish it wasn't so. The EU interests me personally far more than the new stuff.

 

We have seen various EU things introduced to the RPG however, and I hope we continue to see the likes of Chiss in the game.

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Yeah, Disney/Lucasfilm would want a focus on the "current" material being marketed, which for the most part focuses on the original trilogy era and the sequel eras.

 

The best we might get in terms of prior eras is something set in or around the timeframe of Rebels, which is again being currently marketed.

 

As others have noted in other threads, Disney seems to be wanting to put the "bad impressions" the prequels left on the fanbase as much in the past as they can manage, and may very well apply to anything that takes place prior to the Rebellion Era, including the KOTOR era.  The first KOTOR game was a bit of lightning in a bottle, with the second one had similar promise but got kneecapped by being rushed for a Christmas release; guess LucasArts never heard Shigeru Miyamoto's line about how a delayed game is good eventually but a bad game is bad forever.

 

Plus, the enthusiasm for KOTOR era goods has quieted down quite a bit, with most fans focused on the OT or the "new hotness" that is the sequel era and Rebels.  But I think the best we can honestly hope for is for FFG to make little nods here and there.

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 Do not forget that FFG had no idea a new movie was coming when they paid for the license and started the line.

 

No kidding. I bet the announcement of TFA was followed by a miraculous "cha-ching" noise echoing through the FFG building.

 

 

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What about a supplement/beginner box hybrid? Say a sourcebook that covers the new material, a 1-page hand out covering how to integrate the existing system into the new period, along with maps, tokens, dice, pregens, and a starter adventure?

 

Enough to play the game right out of the box.

New source material for old hats to crave.

But still enough missing for a newbie to want to buy more.

 

Maybe?

 

 

Anyone know if the existing box sets are loss leaders or not?

 

 

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Personally I could see a beginners box set that cherry picks characters from all three lines combining them into an adventure informed by the new movie. To be followed by a setting book with details on the new species, planets, equipment, droids and vehicles and whatever else.

 

I think a new CRB would cause too much frustration in the future for the new players coming to the system, so much as to be detrimental. Because all the rules would essentially be a reprint there would just be too much doubling up from edge, age and fad. A 4th beginners box seems much more likely to me

It could then be in 2 region style books: 1 about the Resistance and it's important planets, gear and people. Then a second about the First Order and its primary planets, people, and equipment. Follow it up with an adventure or 2 and perhaps a universal specialisations book way down the line that's got the spoilers in it they could not publish early.

Timeline I would assume to be beginners box released with the movie (least amount of detail required, just names and places, it's essentially a place to tell a story about the beginning of the resistance). Then the othe books over the next 2 years leading up to Ep VIII.

Man, you guys actually, kind of, called it.

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I'm going with we will see new material released but it'll be in support of marketing the new content. So TFA, ep 8, anything from the past will likely center on the anthology movies and whatever they do with Netflix shows. I don't see Disney green lighting material that doesn't support marketing the new content. Of course who knows where the content will go in the timeline.

 

I think you're correct, though I wish it wasn't so. The EU interests me personally far more than the new stuff.

 

We have seen various EU things introduced to the RPG however, and I hope we continue to see the likes of Chiss in the game.

Disney said they'll farm the EU for ideas but not to expect plots to be covered. FFG has certainly released races and such from the EU post canon purge so I'm sure that will continue but as for a whole sourcebook, I would never say never, but I wouldn't hold my breath or put money down either.

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