A funny thing happened in a tourney yesterday. Thoughts on this?

[Darth evil 906]

 

 

By the way, to the person who literally brought up the issue with 5 attack and only 3 dice, seriously?  I've lent my dice plenty of times for such an issue, but moreso, most of the time we just remember the outcome and reroll two of them if they don't ask to borrow my dice.  That's not hard.  

i really dislike it when ppl don't bring the amount of dice needed, you shouldn't have to lend ppl your dice every round, the dice pack is less expensive than the small ship packs and even if your only using Tie fighters you would still need the extra greens.

[Smuggler 556]

 

Asteroid obstacle tokens, all cards, plastic ships, bases, and pegs are limited by the quantities included in this game box.

If players run out of any other tokens, they may use a suitable replacement (such as a coin or bead) as a substitute.

If players would roll more dice than the maximum number they have available, keep track of the results showing and reroll the dice necessary to equal the total number of dice the player would have rolled all at once. Note that these dice are not considered rerolled for the purposes modifying dice (see “Modifying Dice Results” on page 12).

In the unlikely event that there are no Damage cards remaining in the deck or discard pile, change all (critical) results rolled to (hit) results. Use a suitable replacement to track additional damage until the deck is replenished.

This is what the core rule book has to say about missing compoents (P21). Bolded part bolded by me.

Mabye the tournament rules overrule this in some way (I'm lazy and have not looked), but if not, bomb tokens can be replaced by "a suitable replacement" in the event you don't have enough. What that suitable replacement might be in the case of a conner net is an other question...

[shotbyscott 1,147]

 

 

 

By the way, to the person who literally brought up the issue with 5 attack and only 3 dice, seriously?  I've lent my dice plenty of times for such an issue, but moreso, most of the time we just remember the outcome and reroll two of them if they don't ask to borrow my dice.  That's not hard.  

i really dislike it when ppl don't bring the amount of dice needed, you shouldn't have to lend ppl your dice every round, the dice pack is less expensive than the small ship packs and even if your only using Tie fighters you would still need the extra greens.

 

 

 

 

 

By the way, to the person who literally brought up the issue with 5 attack and only 3 dice, seriously?  I've lent my dice plenty of times for such an issue, but moreso, most of the time we just remember the outcome and reroll two of them if they don't ask to borrow my dice.  That's not hard.  

i really dislike it when ppl don't bring the amount of dice needed, you shouldn't have to lend ppl your dice every round, the dice pack is less expensive than the small ship packs and even if your only using Tie fighters you would still need the extra greens.

 

Get 2 of every thing inc a core set and no one will ahve any of these problems

[Spikenog 79]

You said you were playing a K as well. Why not let your opponent use you Conner Net token?

[DailyRich 3,346]

You said you were playing a K as well. Why not let your opponent use you Conner Net token?

 

What if he needed it before the one his opponent placed triggered?

[Toqtamish 3,643]

You said you were playing a K as well. Why not let your opponent use you Conner Net token?

 

Because he didn't want to take away the time to go get it basically as it was out in his vehicle. It is one of the many replies earlier in the thread. He was not running Conner Net. 

 

While it is 100% accurate based on the rules. For me I would not want to win based on a technicality, it lessens the win for me. I would have found some way to make it work. To each their own. 

[VanorDM 11,599]

It's right in the tournament rules, and it's that ALL templates, cards, and the likes must be from FFG in order to be "OK for use in game." It does make an exception for movement templates, but in that case it states both players must use that set.

Actually it doesn't say anything like that. You may want to go read the rules again.

Third-party tokens, range rulers, and movement templates may be allowed at the head judge’s discretion.

So you can bring in a 3rd party Conner Net, or cut your own out, and use it, provided the head judge is ok with it.

It also does not make an exception for maneuver templates as you said. What the rules state is that if one side wishes to, they can request both sides use the same set of templates.

[Vitalis 1,012]

 

Third-party tokens, range rulers, and movement templates may be allowed at the head judge’s discretion.

So you can bring in a 3rd party Conner Net, or cut your own out, and use it, provided the head judge is ok with it.

 

If this is actual, then like i said: person in subject was just frakkin lazy not to prepare his own cardboard, conners.

 

And its good news, that you can have your own proper templates of bombs and such, for all extra munitions user (including me) out there. 

Edited September 3, 2015 by Vitalis

[guthrie76 11]

I agree if you are using a certain build you should bring the correct cards and tokens needed to use said build .

[quasistellar 736]

Last match.  Myself and other guy, both 3-0 in final round.   High stakes match.  Winner gets $40 in credit to be used for any number of wave 7 ships up to the value.

 

I'm usually pretty good at dodging away from enemy mines and bombs, keeping myself away from the likes of bomb tossers.  Got a lot of practice over the last few weeks doing that.  Fat Dash is usually pretty good at just staying away.  Still, sometimes things happen.  Well, something totally odd happened during this match.  

 

Opponent had a Kwing with bombadier Extra Mun, plasma torp, conner net, advanced slam and TLT.  Warden pilot (PS2).  Fair enough.  I was running Dash and Miranda.  He also had Hobbie with stressbot and Kyle with blaster turret.  Interesting setup, not something I would have played, but I kind of wonder if he got away with a few things, or was just lucky to drop his conner net and get it to blow up every time right away.  Either way.

 

Fast forward a few rounds into play, Hobbie gets rightly removed from existence very fast, without even getting the opportunity to stress (yay for HLC), and now he's got the warden and Kyle.  

 

around round 4 or 5, this happened.  He dropped his conner net, hoping to catch Miranda.  He literally missed by a hair.  IIRC, he said 'I drop the bomb on Miranda'.  I think he was assuming I was just going to agree that it would hit and he would move on.  I saw I would like to measure it, just in case.  I definitely looked like it would hit, but just wanted to make sure.  We made sure to tighten down the bases, lay the 2 straight properly, and laid down the template.  I kid you not it was less than a milimeter away, and did not hit Miranda (This is why I ALWAYS require a measure, even if it looks like it would hit). Talk about wow.  Well, Kyle moved a 1 left bank the same round, and set himself up nice to take that conner net to the face.  I'm pretty sure he was very confident that token wasn't going to be there.  This was the beginning of the craziness.  The remainder of the round saw Dash come in a little closer, and then Miranda getting out of dodge.

 

Shooting happened, nobody died.

 

The next round, he comes around after another slam and goes to drop the Conner Net.  He says 'Drop the conner net and it hits Dash.'.  I once again say 'I'd like to see it dropped, because you never know.  Let's drop the template'.  This is when it turned wired.  He says 'I don't have another template'.  I said 'You have to have the other template to drop it'.  He says 'But the K-Wing only comes with one and it's not fair, and it would go off'.  I think I said something to the idea of well you got to have it, or at least maybe have borrowed it from someone before the game starts (and certainly not in the middle of a match).  I reserve the right to request solid measurement on it.  Went to the TO, TO initially ruled that he can pick up the other one in favor of dropping the new one, but as you can see, that is severely biased against me in the situation, as Kyle is about to plow right through the one on the board, just to be picked up and laid on top of me to blow up.  The TO agrees that is a bad dilemma, and rules that he must have the other template to drop the bomb.

 

Well, oddly enough, Kyle plows through, I move Dash a hard left into Kyle, doesn't move him much, and then the Kwing moves forward 1, drops the template that he recovered after Kyle blew it up, and missed me by as much as he missed Miranda.  Was truly awe inspiring how close those bombs were.  Noone hit the second bomb the rest of the game, and I go on to win it.

 

Now, was I in the right to request this?  I believe I was, and I believe the TO was absolutely in the right in his judging.  You have to have both to lay down both.  My guess is his other three matches, he was able to drop them and get them to explode right away, or perhaps did the same exact thing that happened here and got the second one off.  I don't know on those scenarios.  I only know what happened on mine.  

 

I don't feel I was being unfair.  

 

As a note, he was also playing with an incorrect ship token on it's base, because he decided at the last second to swap a pilot out, but forgot the token at home, and I didn't bring issue up with that (I usually don't have a problem with it, as long as he/she has at least one of the token or card to show they at least own the expansion it comes in, and the PS is the same so there is no confusion).  I let that go, as it's not that big of an issue, and things happen like forgetting something like a ship token, but not having that second bomb template, that's a no brainer.  You have to have that.

 

At first skim I thought it was harsh, but then I saw that if he were to pick up that first conner net it could cause issues because his own guy was likely to hit it.  Man that is really tough and you're not wrong.

 

I don't know if it was possible but could you have laid down a 1 straight to mark the first Conner?  Well wait a minute never mind--then you run into the problem of if the 2nd one misses also.  Yeah, it's a tough break for the guy, but he couldn't legally play his list, and I'm sure he'll be hitting ebay immediately for another template.  I'm with you that I'd never "assume" a bomb will hit without measuring--especially Conner nets, because they're so strangely shaped.

[TwizztheHunter 10]

Its a generally accepted practice to use the 1 straight template to marker a ship so a movement template may be laid across the area for accurate movement through another ship, I don't see how this could not have been done to temporarily mark the Conner Net at either location until it was needed at one of the locations for measurement. I played at the last local tourney with people doing exactly with Conner Nets and Cluster Mines as I just described and no issues arose.

 

A little sportsmanship goes a long way.

 

He was assuming he would hit you and we all know what assuming does, it was a good call to ask for a measurement and reasonable. For the most part I can tell if a ships at range 1,2, or 3 without having to measure but on those really close to the line placements its best to measure anyways. I've saved my bacon more than once by getting a measurement that was a breath outside of range one and not having my opponent getting the extra die that would or could have killed my ship. never feel bad for asking for something that is gonna be close, to be measured its part of the game.

[Darkheart 58]

 

Here's a question and a possible answer to the "only one template" issue. Is there a ruling stating the (thick card) templates be solid? The card FFG uses is quite thick, would it be improper to carefully split a token down it's core to have two? I'd of course doll up and tape/sticker/seal/paint the paper side. Just an idea that popped up while sitting here at work. Thoughts?

-Rose

 

This has come up a few times here, no one has answered it. I asked the same thing a while ago. There is a rulling though. It's right in the tournament rules, and it's that ALL templates, cards, and the likes must be from FFG in order to be "OK for use in game." It does make an exception for movement templates, but in that case it states both players must use that set.

So... yes... you are not allowed to cut out your own templates and bring them according to the rules.

 

Might want to check that again.

Bombs have tokens, not templates. And third party templates may be allowed by the TO.

In theory you could photocopy, trace, or split in half your token and request that the TO validate your use of the token.

 

Tournament rules 3.1.1

"Third-party tokens, range rulers, and movement templates may be allowed at the head judge’s discretion."

 

Latest version of the rules

"Place the bomb token indicated on the Upgrade card into the play area......"

Edited September 7, 2015 by Darkheart

[voidreturn 816]

In casual play, I wouldn't care. In a tournament, I probably would've stopped the guy for not having his ship token before the game even started. I'm sorry, but that's the rules, you have to have the equipment for the list you are playing, otherwise, there's no reason to not proxy any component without restriction. Does that make me a jerk? Maybe, but at least I'll be a jerk that plays by the rules.