Shark officially jumped!

[FTS Gecko 24,135]

Hell, I've been told my Drop pod assaults and using a razorback in killteam are cheesy (I semi accept the razorback, as by jove it does it's job well).

 

What's wrong with a Razorback in Kill Team?!  (or have you whacked TL assault cannons on it?)

[DariusAPB 6,925]

I use twinlinked lascannons. Because of targetting TLAC is actually a waste. Can only shoot one guy right?

 

I find it too effective.

 

Once, a guy looked me at the eye, said "these are blood angels death company, fear them" There were 3 of them, jump packs, power fists. I left my squad in the 'back, mounted said. ok, TL lascannon, dude with first (roll, hit, roll wound, no cover) him: I have feel no pain! me. Nope over double your toughness. There goes his leader and fist.

He scrambles to cover, one guy jumps towards.

TL lascannon miss/reroll/hit. 2+wound, wound. fails coversave, dead.

he passes his rout.

TL lascannon, hit, wound, dead.

 

Another time my snipers (the squad inside back are ALL raptors Sternguard, so rending heavy-1 bolters that either ignore cover or do other sillyness) were tearing apart eldar aspect warriors to the point that they tried to hide in a building for better cover, so they could actually use armoursaves. TL lascannon collapsed building on them, killing all.

 

 

I've death/glory killed nurglites with it. I can even fight to a draw (with me losing nothing and them being worse off) against terminators because i just drive away without playing their game. and I KNOW Terminators are not allowed in KT and accepted it anyway.

 

And once, not Razorback related. I level'ed one of those huge deathstrike bunkers with 15 hull with my vet sgt with a melta bomb, because the enemy killteam were on top. and actually rolled the highest result (melta, gotta love it) resulting in everyone but my sgt (and the rest of the squad, who were scattered sniping elsewhere, and of course the razorback, chilling out) being blown to pieces.

 

There have been times where i've wanted to model a pile of tim horton cups next to my razorback because it does all the work while the squad have sat inside.

 

There have been times where my enemy sacrificed 100 points of their squad JUST SPECIFICALLY to kill the back. (Even after me gently pointing out that to do so they actually would die to the sternguard who just walk out....)

 

With my Raptors I have literally never lost a killteam game. Sorry, but I love recounting these stories.

I would admit that the back is cheesy in KT.

Edited September 30, 2015 by DariusAPB

[Vorpal Sword 14,685]

Who needs GW miniatures anyway?

I think that's really the problem. GW is a company that makes really good-looking miniatures (from my inexpert perspective), and they also have some rules for pushing those miniatures around a table. Somewhere along the line it seems like they started thinking they could charge whatever they wanted for the rules, because people would have to buy the rules if they wanted the good-looking minis.

Then people stopped buying the minis because of the expense of staying current on the rules, and their reaction was to ratchet up their prices.

Again, from an outsider's perspective, it seems like a textbook death spiral for a once-functioning business: they're attempting to pull more and more cash from each customer in a shrinking audience. Customers don't appreciate it and start to leave, so the company has to jack up their prices again to keep their revenue from shrinking, so more customers leave, so prices go up...

And it's sort of a shame, because space soldiers in power armor fighting terrifying aliens are cool. If there were a version of 40k done in the style of X-wing minis--by which I mean an approachable introductory price point, skirmish-size games, and relatively detailed pre-painted miniatures--I would pick it up in a heartbeat.

[DariusAPB 6,925]

See my ranting over killteam. It's a shame that killteam is not marketed. If it were officially fleshed out, backgrounded more etc it would be the best thing 40k since necromunda.

 

Horus Heresy have rules that come close, and horus heresy is awesome.

Edited September 30, 2015 by DariusAPB

[Hobojebus 11,341]

The more you tighten your grip, the more customers will slip through your fingers.

Prices now scare people away it does not matter how good a salesman you are convincing a parent £70 for the starter set their kid will have forgotten about In a few months is a tough sell, convincing them £33 for three toy soldiers is good value is impossible.

I've actually heard about vets joining the conversation so they can tell people the real costs involved.

Kids don't have any money and even if they get pocket money there's nothing to buy under £20 anymore and kids can't save money it burns a hole in their tiny pockets.

The new tau big kit is twice the cost of the riptide but it's not twice the material or size, who but an adult can afford that?

They are delusional if they think aiming their game at kids will work with their prices.

[DariusAPB 6,925]

Dude, I don't have the money for a 2000 point 40K army, let alone any kid and I'm seriously going to buy another two GR75s + am buying into Imp assault. Currencywise there is just no comparison.

[Robin Graves 6,054]

See my ranting over killteam. It's a shame that killteam is not marketed. If it were officially fleshed out, backgrounded more etc it would be the best thing 40k since necromunda.

 

Horus Heresy have rules that come close, and horus heresy is awesome.

 

Fanmade is best. Look at Elder Dragon Highlander for Magic the gathering.

[Hobojebus 11,341]

Stupid thing is they had necromunda they could bring that back and incorporate killteam but they won't because it wouldn't sell some arbitrary number of kits.

AoS wasn't needed because mordheim already existed for a warhammer skirmish game.

GW has only one purpose now padding out the bank account of Kirby it's biggest shareholder, it's so blatant.

He paid his wife four million for a website and its worse than the old one but he gives no craps because that money is going to their joint account.

He's just milking as much money as he can before selling his shares taking a golden parachute then retiring blaming the collapse on the CEO he employed as a fall guy.

[DariusAPB 6,925]

I remember when Mordheim was first released. bought it, was hooked. Every thurs night at the local GW was mordheim night and there were easily a dozen people at the table any one time.

 

Yeah, sad to see the fall.

[FTS Gecko 24,135]

With my Raptors I have literally never lost a killteam game. Sorry, but I love recounting these stories.

I would admit that the back is cheesy in KT.

 

The most enjoyable games of 40K I ever played were invariably games of 40K in 40 minutes, or small, quick 500 point games.  At our gaming club, we used to do campaigns where we needed to field a fully painted force - we'd start at 500 points, and set a time limit (usually 2 months or so) before we increased the force size to 1,000 points, then again up to 1,500.

 

It was good motivation to get an army painted, but the best and most memorable games were the small ones.

 

Memorable moments included a squad of Eldar Rangers getting fried to a man by heavy flamer wielding Orks; an Eldar Autarch using a warp jump generator to teleport in, melta gun instant kill a Chaos Terminator Lord, then teleport away again only to get lost in the warp, Tau generally being dirty, dirty swine (that hasn't changed much as far as I can tell) and much more.

 

Even at 500 points, and with limits in place (like no 3+ wound characters, no armour values over 33 combined etc) there were plenty of unwinnable matches (one side clearly superior to the other from the start), but at least they were usually fast, furious and fun.  When the points values went up, the unwinnable matches tended to increase in number, the games dragged on and fun levels went down.  It wasn't too much of a surprise seeing many people drop out after the 1,000 mark was hit.

[DariusAPB 6,925]

Ohgod yes I love the small point games. it's a shame that tournaments don't. It's a REAL shame my friends don't (though since i love the small games, I am generally good at them so....)

 

Back before xmas 13 6th ed was out, and killteam was still on 5th ed. Which means you could apply squad special abilities to the razorback.

 

Razorback with shrouded and turn 1 stealth (remember, raptors) means the tank had a 3 up IN THE OPEN.

 

Looking back I admit, I am a cheesy bastard with that IFV... (i also have and still do leave it infront of my squad while they line up sniper shots, then move it so that i can snipe enemies, My Raptors are king snipers) (And in one game, where they went against eldar rangers.... dragonfire rounds? My friend never ,ever plays rangers against me now. "Such a great cover save dude, 2+... not sure how I can beat... oh wait..." <deadrangerdeadrangerdeadranger> - with the razorback blocking LOF for survivors to return fire.

 

Seriously. Razorback, sternguard squad, as Raptors. (though I accept other chapters would be good too, I just love my rending bolterfire which can ignore cover or wound on a 2+ or pen. 3+ armour or range30 to match Tau).

 

In smaller games, (up to 1000 points) I generally always bring Lias Issodon, I've actually oneshot a tank off a table with his ability before the game even begun in 6th. "Eldar Tank driver goes to turn suspiciously melta charged ignition key in fire prism, good rolls, kaboom". And sometimes "Vindicare assassin carefully leans on wall suspiciously looking like it's made of melta..... oh<kaboom>" Basically forcing my opponent to put his most precious opponents in reserve... and Lias also messes with reserve rolls.......

Edited October 1, 2015 by DariusAPB

[Dorn05 152]

Australian price: $134. Yes you read that right, one hundred and thirty four dollars.

 

There are no words... 

[Hobojebus 11,341]

I remember when Mordheim was first released. bought it, was hooked. Every thurs night at the local GW was mordheim night and there were easily a dozen people at the table any one time.

 

Yeah, sad to see the fall.

Same with my club mordheim was always popular we had constant campaigns on, my skaven were fairly successful I had one rat armed with a pair of warpblades who was a real terror.

Then they cancelled specialist games and ultimately vet night which killed the community, stores been a ghost town ever since.

It's got so bad they are demanding people have demo games or get banned.

[DariusAPB 6,925]

 

I remember when Mordheim was first released. bought it, was hooked. Every thurs night at the local GW was mordheim night and there were easily a dozen people at the table any one time.

 

Yeah, sad to see the fall.

Same with my club mordheim was always popular we had constant campaigns on, my skaven were fairly successful I had one rat armed with a pair of warpblades who was a real terror.

Then they cancelled specialist games and ultimately vet night which killed the community, stores been a ghost town ever since.

It's got so bad they are demanding people have demo games or get banned.

 

 

Wow, can you hear the bells? They seem to be tolling a death knell.

 

So many memories, I really am sad for this.

 

I especially liked at my GW in Leamington that there were... composite games, 12 people or so, table, each bringing a few units in, order v destruction. Was a good time. Many heroic moments were to be had.

 

I remember the global campaigns, Armageddon, EOT, Medusa, and how it felt you were making a difference. We know how that went, of course.

 

I remember custom converting squads, troops. Though I guess I still do that, it's not the same.

I know that 40k was never truly balanced, but for me the prices, the corporate culture and the stupid death star combos - even codex favouritism (Eldar, Space Marines). are too much.

 

And you know what? Prices are the least of the problems in that group. Fix the game. Change your store rules. Bring the fun back and maybe just maybe GW will bounce back. - If more people get into it, even playing the more fun and balanced smaller scale game, then hey, after that scale the prices back.

 

GW Need to re-earn their position, re-earn consumer/gamer trust in order to build up a playerbase, because the playerbase is deserting in droves. This isn't speculation, this is hard fact.

Otherwise. All Hail FFG. (Wait, all hail FFG anyway, they've kinda won, the fact we are posting this here proves that).

 

 

People have accused me of nerd-raging about GW.

 

You know what? They are right. I am. I am raging because they were once great, I am raging because the game/culture that my late mother introduced me to is dying a slow, painful to watch death. I am raging because a cornerstone of our wargaming hobby is being worn away by greed and stupidity.

I am angry about this. Phantom menace level angry.

I am sad about this. Attack of the clones level sad.

So please, all. Excuse my venting.

Edited October 1, 2015 by DariusAPB

[Hobojebus 11,341]

Of course we nerd rage I had two decades invested in 40k and wfb now ones dead and the other is so slow and clunky I deem it unplayable.

Fanboys want to blame the customers for not buying enough but that's BS, you make a game worth playing people will buy it.

GW don't care about their game there's no balance they don't even try to level the playing field whatever's new gets to be OP so it sells till they release the next thing that's better.

It's why ffg wins people over though not perfect they do try,they communicate and clearly care about the product.

GW just sees us as piggy banks to be smashed open for all we are worth then thrown away, how could that not generate hate.

[Robin Graves 6,054]

 

People have accused me of nerd-raging about GW.

 

You know what? They are right. I am. I am raging because they were once great, I am raging because the game/culture that my late mother introduced me to is dying a slow, painful to watch death. I am raging because a cornerstone of our wargaming hobby is being worn away by greed and stupidity.

I am angry about this. Phantom menace level angry.

I am sad about this. Attack of the clones level sad.

So please, all. Excuse my venting.

 

 

 

Do not go gentle into that good night.

Rage! Rage against the dying of the light!

 

Dylan Thomas

[Black Knight Leader 424]

How on earth would you store it and transport it. It would need it's own carry case!

 

 

 

Just get yourself a case designed for carrying hazard material.  Leave all the warning stamps on it too.  Noo new ouldd are bumb into your case esp if you dress the part.  You might be inspected by Tin Menm ore often than not.  After they figure out what your really carrying just pay them to pretend you really are carrying hazard material when your around people.

[Robin Graves 6,054]

 

How on earth would you store it and transport it. It would need it's own carry case!

 

 

 

Just get yourself a case designed for carrying hazard material.  Leave all the warning stamps on it too.  Noo new ouldd are bumb into your case esp if you dress the part.  You might be inspected by Tin Menm ore often than not.  After they figure out what your really carrying just pay them to pretend you really are carrying hazard material when your around people.

 

 

Bonus points if you play with a Nurgle army.

[Kyrios Mirage 588]

It's got so bad they are demanding people have demo games or get banned.

 

How does that even work? Is this a demo before or after you've bought in? "Oh, you don't want to try our game? Get out of our store, then!" Okay, if you don't want my money, I'll go see FFG...

[Robin Graves 6,054]

 

It's got so bad they are demanding people have demo games or get banned.

 

How does that even work? Is this a demo before or after you've bought in? "Oh, you don't want to try our game? Get out of our store, then!" Okay, if you don't want my money, I'll go see FFG...

 

 

Maybe some burly GW staffers surround you when you get in the store and make you sit down and force you to play a demo game.

 

GW staffer: "Da boss say you'z gotta sit down and trie age of sigmar. You'll like it or we'll have to give you a free complimentary baseballbat* to the knees."

 

* Baseball bat is painted gold with Ghal Maraz ^TM  On it, becuz GW is the comany that gave us a spray paint gun shaped like a fand flamer. Sigh.

[Hobojebus 11,341]

It's got so bad they are demanding people have demo games or get banned.

 

How does that even work? Is this a demo before or after you've bought in? "Oh, you don't want to try our game? Get out of our store, then!" Okay, if you don't want my money, I'll go see FFG...

They don't like you browsing and not buying anything so they get really pushy about giving you a demo game, the have a quota that dictates how many they have to do a week.

[Sithborg 11,644]

And I thought Gamestop was a dieing business...

[Black Knight Leader 424]

 

 

How on earth would you store it and transport it. It would need it's own carry case!

 

 

 

Just get yourself a case designed for carrying hazard material.  Leave all the warning stamps on it too.  Noo new ouldd are bumb into your case esp if you dress the part.  You might be inspected by Tin Menm ore often than not.  After they figure out what your really carrying just pay them to pretend you really are carrying hazard material when your around people.

 

 

Bonus points if you play with a Nurgle army.

 

 

Even more so if every 20 min you pretended to die from comtamiiation.  Just dont drop the case.

[Kyrios Mirage 588]

 

See, this is the kind of **** I'm talking about! Looks awesome, but forget shelling out for it!

[Hobojebus 11,341]

£90 each you go to their site it's trying to sell you a bundle of three for only £270 a grand saving of zip,zero,nada sweet fanny Adams.

Even from a site giving 20% off I wouldn't bite.