Limted Upgrade cards

[kinnison 850]

I think a lot of X-wing players have this problem.  one "Good" upgrade card that can be only found in a single expansion.  We have Flight controllers (VSD), Leading shots (Corvette), Advanced Projectors (AF2), Point Defense reroute (AF2) and XI-7 Turbolasers (Nebulon-B), Expanded Launchers (GSD) which can only be found in one pack.

 

For me I think Flight controllers and XI-7 are ones that I would like more then 1, but really don't want to buy another expansion just to get ONE card.  and i already have 2 core sets and am thinking that might not have been the best idea.

[Forgottenlore 9,838]

FFG is pretty good about including popular cards (and multiples of them) in multiple expansions. This is only an issue with armada right now because so few things have been released. There will always be a few cards like this, because by the time FFG can identify and release more of a good card, other good cards have come out, but by the time armada is releasing wave 7 this will not likely be any worse of a problem than it is in x-wing (and it isn't much of a problem in x-wing, people just don't have any patience).

[ficklegreendice 34,362]

FFG is pretty good about including popular cards (and multiples of them) in multiple expansions. This is only an issue with armada right now because so few things have been released. There will always be a few cards like this, because by the time FFG can identify and release more of a good card, other good cards have come out, but by the time armada is releasing wave 7 this will not likely be any worse of a problem than it is in x-wing (and it isn't much of a problem in x-wing, people just don't have any patience).

 

idk, it took a long time for EU to be announced in the YV after the YT-1300

 

and the YV isn't even out yet

 

 

but Armada is  basically FFG's marathon session of learning from its mistakes with X-wing, so they could very well be more prompt about including more FCs and x17s

[Leowulf 116]

Yeah I know what you mean - part of me NEEDS an upgrade card for every instance of the upgrade, but I think I'll have to settle for having the one card represent multiple fleet upgrades if I want to use it more than once.

[BonusJoe 20]

Looking at the Wave 2 preview, it doesn't look like there will be any repeat cards from Wave 1. Xi7 coming in just the Neb B is just cruel...

Edited June 12, 2015 by BonusJoe

[Hesekiel 220]

I think a lot of X-wing players have this problem.  one "Good" upgrade card that can be only found in a single expansion.  We have Flight controllers (VSD), Leading shots (Corvette), Advanced Projectors (AF2), Point Defense reroute (AF2) and XI-7 Turbolasers (Nebulon-B), Expanded Launchers (GSD) which can only be found in one pack.

 

For me I think Flight controllers and XI-7 are ones that I would like more then 1, but really don't want to buy another expansion just to get ONE card.  and i already have 2 core sets and am thinking that might not have been the best idea.

 

This was discussed a couple of times, but as long as FFG is not able or willing to sell upgrade cards in decks, we will have to stick to the following suggestions:

- grab the card on ebay (though high valued cards might never show up there..)

- borrow it from friends or someone in your local game group who is not playing the exact same time as you. Might need rank 'friend' or higher, or actual bribing to succeed

- As long as you are not on tournaments and your local game group agrees, have token cards ready to mimic the upgrade cards. As most players will struggle with the same issue of not having enough/any of the most valued upgrades, there should be a fair way to mimic a card without infringement of FFG property.

[DScipio 812]

I think a lot of X-wing players have this problem.  one "Good" upgrade card that can be only found in a single expansion.  We have Flight controllers (VSD), Leading shots (Corvette), Advanced Projectors (AF2), Point Defense reroute (AF2) and XI-7 Turbolasers (Nebulon-B), Expanded Launchers (GSD) which can only be found in one pack.

 

For me I think Flight controllers and XI-7 are ones that I would like more then 1, but really don't want to buy another expansion just to get ONE card.  and i already have 2 core sets and am thinking that might not have been the best idea.

 

Just make a copy of the card then.

[DarthBadger 53]

Rarity of cards, is this a potential reflection of the rarity of that technology/upgrade/team "in a galaxy far far away".

What am I saying... The Unique ship Demolisher, is everywhere at once...!

Jan Orrs will presumably be shadowing virtually every rebel task force...

[Lyraeus 4,759]

Ummmm . . . You do realize that the reason those ships have them is because they have the slots for them and don't overlap per faction right?

Besides, Enhanced Launchers are not as great as ACMs, point defense reroute is not as great as you think, leading shots is decent.

Now XI7's and Flight Controllers are ok. Flight controllers is just 1 extra dice, while that is good it is not an auto include for Imperials or rebels. XI7's are good to have multiple of and people do because that Nebulon-B pack comes with other good cards as well

[Lyraeus 4,759]

Looking at the Wave 2 preview, it doesn't look like there will be any repeat cards from Wave 1. Xi7 coming in just the Neb B is just cruel...

That is false. The Impstar comes with a Turbolasers and the MC80 comes with the SW-7 Ions

[Tetsugaku-San 56]

Yeah I know what you mean - part of me NEEDS an upgrade card for every instance of the upgrade, but I think I'll have to settle for having the one card represent multiple fleet upgrades if I want to use it more than once.

Not against me or in a tournament you won't. Just like playing against unpainted 40k armies, it just spoils the fun for me, save the cash, buy the ship, sell it sans upgrades.

[ScottieATF 2,867]

In what manner would a player proxying an upgrade card for a casual game in any way impact your ability to have fun. I can somewhat understand the unpainted army issue, as it detracts from the visual appeal of the game, but in what way would this be of any consequence to you?

I suppose you won't play with someone that has unpainted squadrons either.

Edited June 12, 2015 by ScottieATF

[Lyraeus 4,759]

In what manner would a player proxying an upgrade card for a casual game in any way impact your ability to have fun. I can somewhat understand the unpainted army issue, as it detracts from the visual appeal of the game, but in what way would this be of any consequence to you?

I suppose you won't play with someone that has unpainted squadrons either.

To those of us who save up and get multiple ships for the cards or scour eBay and the like, who trade and go through the process. Your proxies sort of kill that feeling.

[Lyraeus 4,759]

Mind you I play with squadrons not even in their bases. I am painting them (and have been for the past month.. . That's my story and I am sticking by it.)

Using proxies is fine. If you want a casual game and everyone is ok with that, fine, but when you play me for the 10th time with the same proxies. . . Enough is enough. Go buy the expansion already

[megamen 332]

Well, personally, I like to print out my lists. It saves critical table space and improves organization, which is a non-trivial issue with a play area this big. (Card organization at the edge of the table, tokens getting mixed in, etc)

[ScottieATF 2,867]

In what manner would a player proxying an upgrade card for a casual game in any way impact your ability to have fun. I can somewhat understand the unpainted army issue, as it detracts from the visual appeal of the game, but in what way would this be of any consequence to you?

I suppose you won't play with someone that has unpainted squadrons either.

To those of us who save up and get multiple ships for the cards or scour eBay and the like, who trade and go through the process. Your proxies sort of kill that feeling.

You misunderstand me. I don't proxy anything past a test game. I play in events and I understand it is in both FFGs and the venue hosting the events interest that players buy the product they plan to play with. As a TO I enforce that rule as well.

But that doesn't change that the idea that a proxied card (not a ship or even squadron) detracts from the opponents experience is a bit ludicrous.

Edited June 12, 2015 by ScottieATF

[Tetsugaku-San 56]

In what manner would a player proxying an upgrade card for a casual game in any way impact your ability to have fun. I can somewhat understand the unpainted army issue, as it detracts from the visual appeal of the game, but in what way would this be of any consequence to you?

I suppose you won't play with someone that has unpainted squadrons either.

Where do you draw the line? Do you let them proxy ships? How about a bit of cardboard with a stick in it and VSD2 written on the side?

It's a game that's supposed to be played with the proper pieces. The proper pieces that FFG deserve to be paid for. You know that to be the ethical choice.

As for the painting of squadrons comment, I know you're being facetious but no, of course not. Mine aren't painted either.

Either pay the trifling amount of money required to play, or don't play, nobody is forcing you to!

[Tetsugaku-San 56]

Well, personally, I like to print out my lists. It saves critical table space and improves organization, which is a non-trivial issue with a play area this big. (Card organization at the edge of the table, tokens getting mixed in, etc)

I mean this as no insult but seriously you have difficulty organising the cards?

I play on a 4x6 board with 6" spare each side which is perfect for a row ow cards grouped by type and the quick ref in the middle. How do you lay it out?

[DarthBadger 53]

Chill guys... It's Friday!

[AverageBoss 233]

 

In what manner would a player proxying an upgrade card for a casual game in any way impact your ability to have fun. I can somewhat understand the unpainted army issue, as it detracts from the visual appeal of the game, but in what way would this be of any consequence to you?

I suppose you won't play with someone that has unpainted squadrons either.

Where do you draw the line? Do you let them proxy ships? How about a bit of cardboard with a stick in it and VSD2 written on the side?

It's a game that's supposed to be played with the proper pieces. The proper pieces that FFG deserve to be paid for. You know that to be the ethical choice.

As for the painting of squadrons comment, I know you're being facetious but no, of course not. Mine aren't painted either.

Either pay the trifling amount of money required to play, or don't play, nobody is forcing you to!

 

 

I don't think a proxied card that looks like a card matches up with a peice of cardboard representing a ship.

A better comparison would be if someone came in with thier own home built VSD, that looked like a VSD, and that they wanted to run as a VSD.

[Tetsugaku-San 56]

Happy Friday!

I can have a beer in two hours eleven minutes.....

Apologies to anyone if my tone was interpreted as hostile, you know how hard it is to sound mellow in text!

[Gibarian 436]

Ummmm . . . You do realize that the reason those ships have them is because they have the slots for them and don't overlap per faction right?

Besides, Enhanced Launchers are not as great as ACMs, point defense reroute is not as great as you think, leading shots is decent.

Now XI7's and Flight Controllers are ok. Flight controllers is just 1 extra dice, while that is good it is not an auto include for Imperials or rebels. XI7's are good to have multiple of and people do because that Nebulon-B pack comes with other good cards as well

 

Flight Controllers is 1 extra dice per activated squadron, and you can put it on ships that can activate 4+ squadrons. That's 4 extra dice, which is semi-equivalent to a free 13 point X-Wing per squadron command.

[ScottieATF 2,867]

In what manner would a player proxying an upgrade card for a casual game in any way impact your ability to have fun. I can somewhat understand the unpainted army issue, as it detracts from the visual appeal of the game, but in what way would this be of any consequence to you?

I suppose you won't play with someone that has unpainted squadrons either.

Where do you draw the line? Do you let them proxy ships? How about a bit of cardboard with a stick in it and VSD2 written on the side?

It's a game that's supposed to be played with the proper pieces. The proper pieces that FFG deserve to be paid for. You know that to be the ethical choice.

As for the painting of squadrons comment, I know you're being facetious but no, of course not. Mine aren't painted either.

Either pay the trifling amount of money required to play, or don't play, nobody is forcing you to!

I asked about the Squadrons because you went out of your way to state you would refuse to play someone with an unpainted 40k army. Thus I wondered if you would be applying that same approach to Armada.

We aren't talking about a proxied ship, as I will grant that can certainly detract from the look of the game. And to some that is paramount. We are talking about an upgrade card. You can't say that is going to detract from the look of the game, as an unpainted army would, so in what way does it actually impact your ability to enjoy the game?

As I said posts above, which I think you missed, I neither proxy nor allow proxies in events I run. I fully respect that it it is in FFGS interest that players buy the components they plan to use. I think it would be ludicrous to expect FFG to allow proxies as it only shots them in the foot. Venues as well.

But those weren't your stated concerns. You said that an opponent proxying and upgrade card would prevent you from having fun in the game. And to me that seems a silly stance and certainly not a real argument against proxying upgrade cards.

[charlesanakin 399]

Whatever happened to fly casual and having fun. Hell if I was playing at my home or Regionals if an opponent wants to proxy I would have no problem with it. I'd even loan him my card if I wasn't using it. In fact most of my casual opponent games include spoiled but unreleased cards (at least for X Wing). I want my opponent to be at his best regardless of his financial situation.

[Lyraeus 4,759]

Whatever happened to fly casual and having fun. Hell if I was playing at my home or Regionals if an opponent wants to proxy I would have no problem with it. I'd even loan him my card if I wasn't using it. In fact most of my casual opponent games include spoiled but unreleased cards (at least for X Wing). I want my opponent to be at his best regardless of his financial situation.

I loan out cards and ships all the time. That is usually not an issue. The issue is those who are nonchalant about it or sheepish who I feel rake advantage.

I don't think I could do that at a regionals or LGS tournament. . .