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Arquitens-class light cruiser

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I've seen few recent mentions of it (though h/t to Norsehound, here), but I'm curious to see if we'll get this class of ship in the game:

 

Arquitens-class light cruiser

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It's a Clone War-era ship, but it's also appeared in SW: Rebels as an Imperial Navy vessel.

 

Personally, I think it looks quite elegant. It's not stated how long it is, but I could see it being a small vessel with a model somewhere between the Raider-class corvette and the Gladiator-class star destroyer.

 

Your thoughts?

 

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I wouldn't mind. Of course I wouldn't mind if we saw quite a few Clone Wars era ships on the Imperial side. The Acclamator and Venator would fit right in to the current aesthetic, as would this. If the size is right, it might make a good nemesis for the Neb

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I see this being lighter than the Raider, but how can you go ligher from the Raider when it's already the lightest ship in the game? Maybe share the same niche that ultimately the Gozanti would, but heavier?

 

If support abilities become a thing the Arquitens is a good candidate for one I feel (being the "Communications ship" in its first rebel appearance). Regardless of its ultimate role, it looks and feels like a solid addition to the Imperial light elements of the navy, just as the Raider and Gozanti also feel at home.

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I see this being lighter than the Raider, but how can you go ligher from the Raider when it's already the lightest ship in the game? Maybe share the same niche that ultimately the Gozanti would, but heavier?

 

If support abilities become a thing the Arquitens is a good candidate for one I feel (being the "Communications ship" in its first rebel appearance). Regardless of its ultimate role, it looks and feels like a solid addition to the Imperial light elements of the navy, just as the Raider and Gozanti also feel at home.

 

As you know, it's hard to say what the size of this one is. I had been guesstimating that it would be larger than the Raider, but now I'm not so sure. But just judging by the size of the tower, I don't see how it might be smaller.

 

 

my brain keeps saying Arctic Kittens.

 

*reer!*

 

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I know that ship. It's a little bigger than a CR90 which would make them larger than a Raider. In the Clone Wars they were light vessels used to out maneuver bigger ships and patrol outer regions.

General Kenobi captained an earlier model in his battle against the CIS in the Siktar sector.

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Hmm... eyeballing it now I guess you guys are right.

 

Thing is it needs to be distinct from the Raider, otherwise you're just using a Raider. Maybe reduce AA, reduce speed, focus more on side-arcs and give it some offensive upgrade slots? Could keep the AA version as a "support cruiser" to use as a screening escort for slower Star Destroyers while raiders go on epic flanking runs?

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Hmm... eyeballing it now I guess you guys are right.

 

Thing is it needs to be distinct from the Raider, otherwise you're just using a Raider. Maybe reduce AA, reduce speed, focus more on side-arcs and give it some offensive upgrade slots? Could keep the AA version as a "support cruiser" to use as a screening escort for slower Star Destroyers while raiders go on epic flanking runs?

Looks about 200-250 meters

2 shield on each side. Focus more on the mid-long range dice. Have a variant with 2 AA dice and 1 AA dice. Nebulon point costs probably. 50 or so.

 

Maybe 3 anti ship batteries all around with 2 at the rear.

2 reds and one blue at the front and sides then a red and blue at rear.

 

Officer, Turbo Lasers, Support Team and defense retrofit?

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That ship has a very limited armament compared to the raider.

 

Its armament is pretty equivalent to the CR-90, though. It also has Concussion missile launchers.

 

But your point, I think, is that it takes up the same design space. I do think the Raider looks better, but I'm not really in favor of FFG designing new stuff where old stuff will suffice. I don't like the SWU (or at least not the Empire) to be incoherently diverse because it's written by authors who have no regard for one another's input.

 

(Not that I don't have 2 Armada-scale Raiders and one X-Wing-scale Raider on pre-order...)

 

So, how might the Arquitens-class be different and fulfill a different role than the Raider?

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It could have 2 red dice and 1 black die on the front, and 1 blue and 1 black on the sides, and a blue in the rear.

Maybe 2, 1, 1 shields with 5 hull? Missile and turbolaser upgrade?

That would be different enough from what we have, and have the feel of a light old squishy ship that is (fairly) cheap.

Eh, I don't know about the 5 hull :/

Gladiator and neb both have 5, and assault frigate has 6...

Maybe give it only 2 engineering? Actually that sounds pretty good... 1 command, 1-2 squadron, 2 engineering.

Now is it rebels or imperials?

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Oh, forgot to mention, 1 black die for anti-squadron defense (or we could be boring and say blue).

I don't know how maneuverable it is, but I would say speed 3 with the manuveribility of like a nebulon or gladiator.

3 defensive to kind, maybe something like double brace and an evade? (Lots of ships right now have double evade and brace, so shaking things up a bit. I just realized that the neb has a double brace and evade... Darn).

Oh! And a title that replaces the anti squadron die with a red one, or let's it use the black die out to far range. Say its anti-snubfighter missiles or something.

A variant could replace the black dice on the side with a blue.

Maybe even change the front from 2 red and 1 black to 1 red and 2 blue.

Then change the rear from a blue to either a red or a black. Or flip it, and have the first one have the red (or black) fie, and this variant have the blue.

Oh! Another cool idea! Have a title allow it to take 1 additional modification, and all modifications are reduced in points, then you can have rapid reload and enhanced armorments on the side and stuff.

Would be cool, but also kind of impractical.

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Well, it could have a SD fire arc, but no rear dice and no anti starfighter dice, and no squadron command value (republic variant)

The imperial retrofit would fill the design space of the raider... Maybe give it Better shields and one black anti starfighter die. But keep the rear arc as zero.

That is the only way I can see it being somewhat different.

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Or a black dice, so effectively 0 unless they are tailgating you.

What is the raiders stats that we know about BTW?

And how beefier will the torpedo frigate be than the raider?

 

From the available imagery, I'd say we know quite a lot.

We know the dice the Raider-I is rolling, and that the Raider II has a different AA profile than the Raider I (I: 2xblack; II: black+blue)

 

So, it's going to be a pretty effective anti-squadron ship for its size.

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ThAt ship has a very limited armament compared to the raider.

 

That ship has a very limited armament compared to the raider.

 

Its armament is pretty equivalent to the CR-90, though. It also has Concussion missile launchers.

 

But your point, I think, is that it takes up the same design space. I do think the Raider looks better, but I'm not really in favor of FFG designing new stuff where old stuff will suffice. I don't like the SWU (or at least not the Empire) to be incoherently diverse because it's written by authors who have no regard for one another's input.

 

(Not that I don't have 2 Armada-scale Raiders and one X-Wing-scale Raider on pre-order...)

 

So, how might the Arquitens-class be different and fulfill a different role than the Raider?

 

The Arquitens appears to have four turbolaser turrets, while the Raider does not possess any turbolasers to the best of my knowledge. 

So the Raider is more like Homeworld's multigun corvettes while the Arquitens would be more like Homeworld's assault frigate. (Alternatively, the Raider is more like the missile destroyer and the Arquitens is more like the standard destroyer.) 

So the Raider is a good ship for dealing with and defending against swarms of fighters, but lacks the firepower to deal with enemy capital ships (even against the similarly-sized CR-90, I suspect the Raider to be at a disadvantage due to its apparent lack of big guns), while the Arquitens is more of a jack-of-all trades, possessing sufficient anti-fighter firepower to defend itself but also possessing a sufficient array of turbolasers to threaten larger capital ships (and smash smaller ships like the CR-90). 

So I think a Raider paired with an Arquitens would probably be more or less an even match for two or three CR-90s. 

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ThAt ship has a very limited armament compared to the raider.

 

That ship has a very limited armament compared to the raider.

 

Its armament is pretty equivalent to the CR-90, though. It also has Concussion missile launchers.

 

But your point, I think, is that it takes up the same design space. I do think the Raider looks better, but I'm not really in favor of FFG designing new stuff where old stuff will suffice. I don't like the SWU (or at least not the Empire) to be incoherently diverse because it's written by authors who have no regard for one another's input.

 

(Not that I don't have 2 Armada-scale Raiders and one X-Wing-scale Raider on pre-order...)

 

So, how might the Arquitens-class be different and fulfill a different role than the Raider?

 

The Arquitens appears to have four turbolaser turrets, while the Raider does not possess any turbolasers to the best of my knowledge. 

So the Raider is more like Homeworld's multigun corvettes while the Arquitens would be more like Homeworld's assault frigate. (Alternatively, the Raider is more like the missile destroyer and the Arquitens is more like the standard destroyer.) 

So the Raider is a good ship for dealing with and defending against swarms of fighters, but lacks the firepower to deal with enemy capital ships (even against the similarly-sized CR-90, I suspect the Raider to be at a disadvantage due to its apparent lack of big guns), while the Arquitens is more of a jack-of-all trades, possessing sufficient anti-fighter firepower to defend itself but also possessing a sufficient array of turbolasers to threaten larger capital ships (and smash smaller ships like the CR-90). 

So I think a Raider paired with an Arquitens woulfighter arrd probably be more or less an even match for two or three CR-90s. 

 

 

One of the articles covering the raider mentions that it has some single turbolasers and Ion Cannons. According  o Wookieepedia it has 6 dual Heavy lasers for anti fighter armament compared to a Arquitens' 4 quad lasers, 4 concussion missile launchers and 4 dual turbolasers. So I would give it a heavier anti-ship loadout then a Raider with a lighter anti-fighter array.

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