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Considering that the Corrupter was commanded by Ait Convarion in the Rogue Squadron books it seems a shame that they didn't include him as a possible commander, i mean why only Admirals to command small ships instead of captains.

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Technically speaking, what we're working with is not a fleet so much as a squadron or strike group.  In the case of a squadron, they are generally commanded by a Commodore, which is really just a Captain in charge of more than one ship.  A strike group on the other hand is usually commanded by a Rear Admiral.  So, really, it wouldn't be unrealistic to have a Captain as a commander for Armada.  

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Speaking of which, I find it weird to get Tarkin to lead a force of 2 ships.

 

If it's Screed or any others, it oddly feels fine...

 

Than again, the commander for Bismarck's first and final mission was lead by a V. Adm.....

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Speaking of which, I find it weird to get Tarkin to lead a force of 2 ships.

 

If it's Screed or any others, it oddly feels fine...

 

Than again, the commander for Bismarck's first and final mission was lead by a V. Adm.....

 

You mean the guy who spent a good deal of time jaunting about in the Carrion Spike (or after it as the case may be)? Nah. no problem. Even Vader did at least one stint on an ISD before he got the Executor.

 

It's an imperial military. You go where the boss tells you he wants you on whatever ship he tells you.

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/minor rant

Corrupter as the name of an Imperial capital ship just feels so wrong. 

Dominator, Avenger, Relentless, Judicator. All names that are designed to show power and strength. Similar to some of the names chosen by the British navy in years gone by, like Resolute, Conqueror and Revenge.  

 

Corrupter is a ship name that says "we is evil", not "we are powerful". 

 

Some EU stuff really hits a wrong note, and this is one of them. 

 

/rant ends

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Don't worry, I'm sure the imperial Ace-uhhh, fleet-masters? Commodores? Admirals? Oh well I'm sure a special pack with alternate paint scheme of the VSD will catch any missed opportunities. With the entire set of X-wing being implemented in Armad by wave 3 or 4 I'm sure there will be reprints of current models we can throw money at. :P

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Or the fact that all expanded universe outside the six soon to be seven films, clone wars( animated series) and SW: Rebels is no longer Disney approved cannon.

 

 

Says who? And why should we care. For me the new films have to prove as Star Wars first... the new Star Trek films failed to be Star Trek in my eyes for example.

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Or the fact that all expanded universe outside the six soon to be seven films, clone wars( animated series) and SW: Rebels is no longer Disney approved cannon.

 

 

Says who? And why should we care. For me the new films have to prove as Star Wars first... the new Star Trek films failed to be Star Trek in my eyes for example.

 

 

Well, some of the EU is total garbage written like bad fan-fiction. Some of it is pretty good. Disney just said they will use the EU as a source, but that it isn't "official canon" anymore. 

They've already approved some EU stuff as the X-wing/Armada games have shown. Screed, Mara Jade, Kyle Kattarn for example. But they will no doubt bin a whole bunch of it as they do new films. 

 

They are already doing it. A small example, in the expanded universe, the A-Wing was developed by Jan Dodonna after the battle of Yavin. The Rebels, series 2 trailer has A-wings in it, and it takes place years before the Battle of Yavin. 

 

The key is your star wars can be whatever you want it to be, but the official stuff that gets approved will be what Disney want it to be. 

Who can blame them for wanting creative control and a blank slate on a billionaire dollar investment and not being bound to whatever Kevin J Anderson wrote a decade earlier. (Don't expect to see the suncrusher in any games)

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The reality behind the need for creative freedom underlines the "scrapping" of the expanded universe. Had LFL kept the old canon as legitimate, Abrams' team would have been hamstrung to do plots that we already knew the conclusion to. We knew the state of the galaxy up to a hundred years beyond Yavin. While the fates of Luke and the main cast have not ultimately been decided, their destinies in the time frame of The Force Awakens were pretty much already set.

 

So the plots of the now-legends universe had to go.

 

But that doesn't mean all that was made into Legends is completely gone. It can be thought of now as a sourcebook for the future of Star Wars to pick and choose to implement. Screed, Interdictors, and Victory-Star Destroyers are all things that have made it back into the universe thanks to the Tarkin novel. So there's no reason why other things, like Thrawn, Zsinj, the Lusankya and other things can't make it back in later on as well.

 

Thrawn's reintroduction in particular might be waiting for a more auspacious opening since he's so popular of a character. Maybe when The Force Unleashed hits and there's a clearer picture of the span between RotJ and TFA, Thrawn can make a comeback.

 

There is some nice things about the EU reset however... Tagge didn't die at Yavin. I'd like to see more out of his character in the new expanded universe.

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There is some nice things about the EU reset however... Tagge didn't die at Yavin. I'd like to see more out of his character in the new expanded universe.

 

Also, no clone jedi with extra vowels in their names. 

Stuff like Thrawn I can see coming back in, but I suspect things like the yuuzhan vong will never see the light of day. 

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Or the fact that all expanded universe outside the six soon to be seven films, clone wars( animated series) and SW: Rebels is no longer Disney approved cannon.

 

 

Says who? And why should we care. For me the new films have to prove as Star Wars first... the new Star Trek films failed to be Star Trek in my eyes for example.

 

 

Well, some of the EU is total garbage written like bad fan-fiction. Some of it is pretty good. Disney just said they will use the EU as a source, but that it isn't "official canon" anymore. 

They've already approved some EU stuff as the X-wing/Armada games have shown. Screed, Mara Jade, Kyle Kattarn for example. But they will no doubt bin a whole bunch of it as they do new films. 

 

They are already doing it. A small example, in the expanded universe, the A-Wing was developed by Jan Dodonna after the battle of Yavin. The Rebels, series 2 trailer has A-wings in it, and it takes place years before the Battle of Yavin. 

 

The key is your star wars can be whatever you want it to be, but the official stuff that gets approved will be what Disney want it to be. 

Who can blame them for wanting creative control and a blank slate on a billionaire dollar investment and not being bound to whatever Kevin J Anderson wrote a decade earlier. (Don't expect to see the suncrusher in any games)

 

 

I agree that there is a lot of garbage out there. But something in the 3 main movies is also ....  bad. That doesnt mean you shoul all discard it. And even more I would let the rightholder decide whats "canon" or not. If something was "canon" for a long time, its an acceptable source even when somebody revokes its status.

 

In the Wookiepedia entry its said, that this fighter is not an A-Wing.

 

Nobody can blame them for wanting to earn money, but I blame them that they could have done better and created something greater than just another blockbuster...

The reality behind the need for creative freedom underlines the "scrapping" of the expanded universe. Had LFL kept the old canon as legitimate, Abrams' team would have been hamstrung to do plots that we already knew the conclusion to. We knew the state of the galaxy up to a hundred years beyond Yavin. While the fates of Luke and the main cast have not ultimately been decided, their destinies in the time frame of The Force Awakens were pretty much already set.

 

So the plots of the now-legends universe had to go.

 

But that doesn't mean all that was made into Legends is completely gone. It can be thought of now as a sourcebook for the future of Star Wars to pick and choose to implement. Screed, Interdictors, and Victory-Star Destroyers are all things that have made it back into the universe thanks to the Tarkin novel. So there's no reason why other things, like Thrawn, Zsinj, the Lusankya and other things can't make it back in later on as well.

 

Thrawn's reintroduction in particular might be waiting for a more auspacious opening since he's so popular of a character. Maybe when The Force Unleashed hits and there's a clearer picture of the span between RotJ and TFA, Thrawn can make a comeback.

 

There is some nice things about the EU reset however... Tagge didn't die at Yavin. I'd like to see more out of his character in the new expanded universe.

 

Why would you have to be limited to plots that we already know the conclusion too? You just dont have to make remakes, or at least dont make every thing bigger and more action driven. And of course, the hunger for the extremes. Of course Vulcan has to be destroyed, because nobody does art but just strives for bigger and more explosions. Thats the point. The new movies miss the point and feeling of Star Trek. They have good things, but also a lot missed opportunites and too much silly stuff.

 

Same for Star Wars: there is plenty of room in the established canon, and last time I checked its not a bad decision to base movies on well written and liked books. So why not make adaptions of the Thrawn Trilogy? Because Harry Potter, GoT and Lord of the Rings didnt make any money?

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Curious, as the Rebels wiki calls it an A-wing

 

http://starwarsrebels.wikia.com/wiki/A-Wing_Starfighter

 

And it looks exactly like an A-wing. I couldn't find mention on wookiepedia to it not being an A-wing. Do you have a link?

 

Oh, and what about the B-wing in the trailer. I assume that's just another ship that looks exactly like a B-wing and not really a B-wing?

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Oh gosh, I hate Rebels. If the new movies will be anything like this ****, I will be devastated.

 

They can't do Thrawn, because they are limited to the rejuvenating effects that makeup has, thus, they can only do Vong or, more likely, Legacy of the Force or Fate of the Jedi. Neither are likely, as they are to extensive.

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Curious, as the Rebels wiki calls it an A-wing

 

http://starwarsrebels.wikia.com/wiki/A-Wing_Starfighter

 

And it looks exactly like an A-wing. I couldn't find mention on wookiepedia to it not being an A-wing. Do you have a link?

 

Oh, and what about the B-wing in the trailer. I assume that's just another ship that looks exactly like a B-wing and not really a B-wing?

 

I dont want to defend anything, I just tell you what I read (I didnt even saw Rebels)

 

There is the

 

RZ-1 A-Wing that was developed after Yavin

 

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/RZ-1_A-wing_interceptor

 

and then there is the R-22 Spearhead

 

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/R-22_Spearhead

 

which was a test-fighter in Service before Yavin. It saw very limited numbers and was used by Dodonna as a base for the RZ-1.

 

The R-22 was also called A-Wing and looked pretty similiar, but the RZ-1 seems to be the main (and better) modell of  "A-Wing".

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Oh gosh, I hate Rebels. If the new movies will be anything like this ****, I will be devastated.

 

They can't do Thrawn, because they are limited to the rejuvenating effects that makeup has, thus, they can only do Vong or, more likely, Legacy of the Force or Fate of the Jedi. Neither are likely, as they are to extensive.

 

Rebels is a kids show, and it's a darned sight better than the "kids" stuff around the original trilogy times, such as Droids and Caravan of Courage :)

 

Also, the chances of them turning any EU novel into a movie, or series of movies is slim. I'm pretty sure they have stated that is not their intent. And from the brief snippets of ep7 we have seen, they appear to be taking the story in a different direction. 

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Curious, as the Rebels wiki calls it an A-wing

 

http://starwarsrebels.wikia.com/wiki/A-Wing_Starfighter

 

And it looks exactly like an A-wing. I couldn't find mention on wookiepedia to it not being an A-wing. Do you have a link?

 

Oh, and what about the B-wing in the trailer. I assume that's just another ship that looks exactly like a B-wing and not really a B-wing?

 

I dont want to defend anything, I just tell you what I read (I didnt even saw Rebels)

 

There is the

 

RZ-1 A-Wing that was developed after Yavin

 

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/RZ-1_A-wing_interceptor

 

and then there is the R-22 Spearhead

 

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/R-22_Spearhead

 

which was a test-fighter in Service before Yavin. It saw very limited numbers and was used by Dodonna as a base for the RZ-1.

 

The R-22 was also called A-Wing and looked pretty similiar, but the RZ-1 seems to be the main (and better) modell of  "A-Wing".

 

 

Not to nitpick, but you said "In the Wookiepedia entry its said, that this fighter is not an A-Wing." and it doesn't say anything about the a-wing in rebels in either entry, but that's just being pedantic as that wasn't my original point, so no point continuing with that discussion. 

 

My original point was that disney will retcon stuff as and when they see fit, which will just make EU stuff not work like it used to. There is so much material out there that weaving a new story into the spaces of the old stories would be difficult, and it would hand-bind them to some really shoddy writing. As even the most ardent EU fan knows there are some rubbish books in the series. 

The A-wing was one example. But they may do Thrawn differently if he turns up. They don't need to match the EU perfectly to take the good parts from him and keep the essence. If Thrawn is still a Chiss admiral with an excellent knowledge of strategic culture and how it impacts on military thinking, he will still be the same essential character. Think of it more like Michael Keaton batman vs Bale's Batman. Same characters, different versions. It doesn't matter if they don't put him in the same stories, and it doesn't make those original stories any less relevant to individual readers. 

All I mean't was that some of the EU stuff will get binned, omitted, rewritten or reimagined. And those versions of those characters will be the ones that appear in any subsequent licensed games, not the EU versions. If they cast Nicki Minaj as Thrawn, then sadly Thrawn cards will end up looking like Nicki Minaj (I picked her, as she's the last person on earth i would want to see in that role, Disney.... do not take that as a suggestion)  :P 

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Technically speaking, what we're working with is not a fleet so much as a squadron or strike group.  In the case of a squadron, they are generally commanded by a Commodore, which is really just a Captain in charge of more than one ship.  A strike group on the other hand is usually commanded by a Rear Admiral.  So, really, it wouldn't be unrealistic to have a Captain as a commander for Armada.  

I could be wrong on this, but a squadron is a smaller group of ships comprised of a single type of class of ships.  For example a carrier may be escorted by a squadron of destroyers.  Squadrons are subdivisions within fleets, but fleets don't have to be that big.  A fleet is smaller than a Armada and smaller than Flotilla. (though I think an armada is bigger than a flotilla)  

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Technically speaking, what we're working with is not a fleet so much as a squadron or strike group.  In the case of a squadron, they are generally commanded by a Commodore, which is really just a Captain in charge of more than one ship.  A strike group on the other hand is usually commanded by a Rear Admiral.  So, really, it wouldn't be unrealistic to have a Captain as a commander for Armada.  

I could be wrong on this, but a squadron is a smaller group of ships comprised of a single type of class of ships.  For example a carrier may be escorted by a squadron of destroyers.  Squadrons are subdivisions within fleets, but fleets don't have to be that big.  A fleet is smaller than a Armada and smaller than Flotilla. (though I think an armada is bigger than a flotilla)  

 

 

 

 

A flotilla (from Spanish, meaning a small flota (fleet) of ships, and this from French flotte), or naval flotilla, is a formation of small warships that may be part of a larger fleet. A flotilla is usually composed of a homogeneous group of the same class of warship, such as frigates, destroyers, torpedo boats, submarines, gunboats, or minesweepers. Groups of larger warships are usually called squadrons, but similar units of non-capital ships may be called squadrons in some places and times, and flotillas in others.

A flotilla is usually commanded by a Rear Admiral, a Commodore or a Captain, depending on the importance of the command (a Vice Admiral would normally command a squadron). A flotilla is often divided into two or more divisions, each of which might be commanded by the most senior Commander. A flotilla is often, but not necessarily, a permanent formation.

 

 

A fleet or naval fleet is a large formation of warships, and the largest formation in any navy. A fleet at sea is the direct equivalent of an army on land.

Fleets are usually, but not necessarily, permanent formations and are generally assigned to a particular ocean or sea. Most fleets are named after that ocean or sea, but the convention in the United States Navy is to use numbers.

A fleet is normally commanded by an admiral, who is often also a commander in chief, but many fleets have been or are commanded by vice admirals or even rear admirals. Most fleets are divided into several squadrons, each under a subordinate admiral. Those squadrons in turn are often divided into divisions. In the age of sail, fleets were divided into van, centre and rear squadrons, named after each squadron’s place in the line of battle. In more modern times, the squadrons are typically composed of homogeneous groups of the same class of warship, such as battleships or cruisers.

 

 

A squadron, or naval squadron, is a significant group of warships which is nonetheless considered too small to be designated a fleet. A squadron is typically a part of a fleet. Between different navies there are no clear defining parameters to distinguish a squadron from a fleet (or from a flotilla), and the size and strength of a naval squadron varies greatly according to the country and time period. Groups of small warships, or small groups of major warships, might instead be designated flotillas by some navies according to their terminology. Since the size of a naval squadron varies greatly, the rank associated with command of a squadron also varies greatly.

 

 

Armada is the Spanish and Portuguese word for naval fleet, or an adjective meaning 'armed'; Armáda (pronounced [ˈarmaːda]) is the Czech and Slovak word for armed forces.

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