Rules precedence: upgrade cards vs. objectives

[Mikael Hasselstein 6,898]

So, I'm looking at Gunnery Team (upgrade) and Advanced Gunnery (objective).

 

Gunnery Team:

"You can attack from the same hull zone more than once per activation. That hull zone cannot target the same ship or squadron more than once during that activation."

 

Advanced Gunnery:

[...]

The Second player's objective ship may perform each of its attacks from the same hull zone, and it may do so against the same target.

[...]

 

So, in this case, the rules on each of these cards explicitly contradict one another. My guess is that the objective card takes precedence over the upgrade card (you can fire twice at the same hull zone on the same ship), but what do you all say?

[DiabloAzul 2,636]

"The Golden Rules

[...] Effects on components such as cards sometimes contradict rules found in the Learn to Play or Rules Reference booklets. In these situations, the component’s effect takes precedence. If a card effect uses the word “cannot,” that effect is absolute."

[Mikael Hasselstein 6,898]

"The Golden Rules

[...] Effects on components such as cards sometimes contradict rules found in the Learn to Play or Rules Reference booklets. In these situations, the component’s effect takes precedence. If a card effect uses the word “cannot,” that effect is absolute."

 

Ah, so your reading is that a Gunnery Team nixes the advantage that you get from being the 2nd player in the Advanced Gunnery objective.

[CDAT 243]

 

"The Golden Rules

[...] Effects on components such as cards sometimes contradict rules found in the Learn to Play or Rules Reference booklets. In these situations, the component’s effect takes precedence. If a card effect uses the word “cannot,” that effect is absolute."

 

Ah, so your reading is that a Gunnery Team nixes the advantage that you get from being the 2nd player in the Advanced Gunnery objective.

 

That is my understanding of it. Yes it does.

[Gazerfoxie 169]

 

 

"The Golden Rules

[...] Effects on components such as cards sometimes contradict rules found in the Learn to Play or Rules Reference booklets. In these situations, the component’s effect takes precedence. If a card effect uses the word “cannot,” that effect is absolute."

 

Ah, so your reading is that a Gunnery Team nixes the advantage that you get from being the 2nd player in the Advanced Gunnery objective.

 

That is my understanding of it. Yes it does.

 

 

Wouldn't both the upgrade card and the objective card both be considered 'components' in that regard?

[infusco 91]

Gunnery Team still has the word Cannot, though.

 

Personally, I'm sure there should be a mechanic where you voluntarily choose to ignore an upgrade card on your own ship.

[ScottieATF 2,867]

Simple, you aren't using the effect from the Gunnery Team to gain the extra attack. Thus you aren't held to a limitation that it stipulates in order to gain that second attack.

[chrisdk 112]

Simple, you aren't using the effect from the Gunnery Team to gain the extra attack. Thus you aren't held to a limitation that it stipulates in order to gain that second attack.

And to clarify why you aren't using it:

 

Reference Rules, p5, "Effect use and timing"

"Resolving an upgrade card effect is optional unless otherwise specified. All other card effects are mandatory unless otherwise specified."

 

And the Objective card effect is straight up better.

[DiabloAzul 2,636]

Completely true, you can choose not to use the Gunnery Team. But if for some bizarre reason you do use it, it trumps the objective card because of the "cannot"

[willismaximus 104]

"The Golden Rules

... If a card effect uses the word “cannot,” that effect is absolute."

 

This is a great little gem that gets overlooked.  This clause will no doubt come into play more a more as new abilities are released.

[MaverickNZ 591]

Yep, cannot trumps can, but since it's your card you can choose to not use it, so it's a moot point in the end

[chrisdk 112]

Yep, cannot trumps can, but since it's your upgrade card you can choose to not use it, so it's a moot point in the end

FTFY.

Only Upgrade Card abilities are optional.