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How many waves of new ships, and where is Armada going?

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In x-wing were are past fives waves of releases in fighters and individual ships, and well into EU territory;, but Armada is not x-wing. Capital ships cost of production does not allow custom or unique builds. Any one can modify a YT freighter, but a capital ship is a different story, in gamea terms.

So how many waves of releases can we realistically expect. As someone who never, ever read the expanded universe books, how many classes of ships and waves of releases do you realistically expect to see?

Wave two seems like a large volume release... So how many more can this game support?

So far it's a great game so I am just curious.

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. Capital ships cost of production does not allow custom or unique builds. .

You haven't read much about the Mon Calamari ships, have you :-) ?

As for how many capital ships, I'd start here: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Capital_ship . Remember that each classification has numerous ships within each category.

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I wonder the same thing while there are many "unique" ships in each class, and lots of subclasses of capital ships, there needs to be enough varity in size / shape to warrant a new ship being made rather than a "Card"

So I too wonder how far will they go? I know for now they intend to stay within movies 4,5,6 and possibly 7,8,9 ... but its hard to say, I mean I remember the Decipher card game had ALOT of star destroyers but they were all unique ones mostly each captain had their own unique ISD...

As well the fighters have already pretty much completely said "Okay here is all the fighters from the movies to date" so where will they go with Squadrons if not into the EU.

Its a valid question that I thought about long and hard as well.

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I think the issue is that from release, EU has been used to fatten out the fleets.

VSD, GSD, AFmk2, MC30 are all EU, and the raider was made up from scratch.

Every in movie ship from the OT will be released by wave 2. After that its nothing but EU (Save maybe the mon cal cruiser variations)

whereas x-wing didnt touch EU until wave 4.

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Wave 2 won't be out until Christmas.  Just watch the new Star Wars movie - and whatever ships are in that movie - make a perfect selling advertisement for Wave 3, if FFG is allowed to get IP on the movie stuff in time for a Wave 3 release.  It looks liek they are looking at 6 month releases, so they should have time.

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I think the issue is that from release, EU has been used to fatten out the fleets.

VSD, GSD, AFmk2, MC30 are all EU, and the raider was made up from scratch.

Every in movie ship from the OT will be released by wave 2. After that its nothing but EU (Save maybe the mon cal cruiser variations)

whereas x-wing didnt touch EU until wave 4.

You're forgetting the new canon books and comics. Oh, and Rebels. There's been new ships in them already, and they have validated old EU ships. We really don't have to worry about them running out.

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Off the top of my head here.  Ships organized roughly by size, and not including their various subtypes.  I only included vessels from the end of the Clone Wars through the duration of the Galactic Civil War.

 

Rebel Alliance, New Republic, or Allies

Viscount-class Star Defender

Mediator-class Battlecruiser

MC-90 Star Cruiser

*MC-80 Liberty-type Star Cruiser

Nebula-class/Defender-class Star Destroyer

Endurance-class Fleet Carrier

Alliance Assault Frigate Mk. I

Hapan Battle Dragon

MC-40 Light Cruiser

Hapan Nova-class Cruiser

Marauder-class Corvette

DP20 Frigate

Action VI Transport/Interceptor-class Frigate

*Consular-class Cruiser

*GR-75 Medium Transport

E-Wing Squadron

K-Wing Squadron

Z-95 Squadron

Hapan Miy'til Starfighter Squadron

Hapan Miy'til Assault Bomber Squadron

 

Galactic Empire, Imperial Remnant, or Allies

Executor-class Super Star Destroyer

Eclipse-class Super Star Destroyer

Golan Defense Platform

*Tector-class Star Destroyer

Turbulent-class Star Destroyer

*Venator-class Star Destroyer

*Acclamator-class Assault Ship

Vindicator-class Heavy Cruiser

Interdictor-class Heavy Cruiser

Dreadnaught-class Heavy Cruiser

Ton Falk-class Escort Carrier

Strike-class Cruiser

Carrack Cruiser

Lancer Frigate

IPV-1 System Patrol Craft

Gozanti Cruiser

VT-49 Decimator

*Lambda-class Shuttle

TIE Defender Squadron

TIE Phantom Squadron

Skipray Blastboat Squadron

Nssis-class Clawcraft Squadron

 

 

 

Don't worry, we've got plenty of room to go yet.  And if even you're a stickler for the movies there's at least another wave worth (everything marked with an asterisk).

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Keep in mind, the late EU stuff is no longer canon and will likely conflict with Episode 7 stuff. And that episode 7 stuff is all being made with some top level artists.

 

FFG should pick and choose stuff from the EU if it looks good, otherwise, we don't need Republic Star Destroyers muddying up the visual identity of the game.

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Keep in mind, the late EU stuff is no longer canon and will likely conflict with Episode 7 stuff. And that episode 7 stuff is all being made with some top level artists.

 

FFG should pick and choose stuff from the EU if it looks good, otherwise, we don't need Republic Star Destroyers muddying up the visual identity of the game.

 

Well, not at least until we see what the actual republic star destroyers look like in the movies :P

 

And let's be fair, republic ships tend (and tended) to be painted with stripes and stuff. If I can't tell a red striped, slightly different star destroyer from a non-striped plain grey Imperial one, age has finally taken its full toll on me.

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There are two reasons why I think FFG is sticking with the Galactic Civil War period for their games:

 

1. It's popular. The sequels aren't anywhere out yet and the Clone wars haven't caught on as much as the GCW did.

 

2. There are a lot more GCW-era ships in the forty or so years since Star Wars than any other era of SW history depicted.

 

Frankly I don't think it's a bad thing. There are few ships that I feel I desperately need in Armada, so I'm open to basically any kind of GCW-era starship they can throw into the game. As long as Imperial and Victory Star destroyers remain viable list options I couldn't ask for anything else. The two ship classes I would like to see, the MC40a and Nebulon-B2 from TIE Fighter, are not so hot that I'd be disappointed by their omission (as much anyway as I'm disappointed in missing the Gunboat and Avenger in X-Wing).

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I hope they make lots of original designs for the Rebels. So many of the rebel ships are just ugly as ****. They don't even visually or thematically fit their army. More often they just look like blocks of grey and it's very uninspiring. I know the rebels have an ugly duckling theme going on and I love it, but some ships go so beyond ugly they are fugly.

 

The Carrack Class Light cruiser is a good example of the kind of bland low polygon detailed ships I hate. They look like they were designed in another decade. So out dated they were never in dated kind of design.

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I hope they make lots of original designs for the Rebels. So many of the rebel ships are just ugly as ****. They don't even visually or thematically fit their army. More often they just look like blocks of grey and it's very uninspiring. I know the rebels have an ugly duckling theme going on and I love it, but some ships go so beyond ugly they are fugly.

 

The Carrack Class Light cruiser is a good example of the kind of bland low polygon detailed ships I hate. They look like they were designed in another decade. So out dated they were never in dated kind of design.

I agree, although it's not just rebels - carrack, lancer, dreadnaught, even tartan - they all look like the big idea behind their design was trying to achieve something crudely ship-like with use of as few polygons as possible for convenience of 90's video games. I personally hate those designs because they stand out as absurdly ugly and don't fit with the rest of those fancy, original imperial and rebel ship designs we grew up on.

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FFG have the rights to use IP from the new Star Wars films, so there will deffo be a wave of ship releases (for both X-Wing and Armada) for each and every Disney Star Wars film that comes out. Including the spinoffs that's a couple of waves per year right there, without dipping into EU at all.

No danger of running out of content to sell IMO.

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FFG have the rights to use IP from the new Star Wars films, so there will deffo be a wave of ship releases (for both X-Wing and Armada) for each and every Disney Star Wars film that comes out. Including the spinoffs that's a couple of waves per year right there, without dipping into EU at all.

No danger of running out of content to sell IMO.

 

I was surprised we didn't see a Ghost in the pack with the Falcon.  Maybe it looks too much like the Falcon?

 

ANd here's hoping 1) that the new movies are good and 2) that they give us some cool new ships to add to our fleets

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We really can't disregard the fact that for at least the next half a decade there is going to be one Star Wars film a year being released (7,8,9 & the standalone films).

 

That should provide more than enough material, especially as the imagery seems very consistent and the civil war appears to still be grinding on.

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if you buy it there will be more waves.

 

With the new movies comming up this is the perfect possibility for the to model the hopefully now ships displayed in that movies.

 

due to the simplicity (in a good way) of the rules of armada we might even see more people beeing attracted to the board game hobby by the star wars movies. i think currently is a small golden age for board games after 15 years of PC game entertainment and FFG is in a very good position in that sector with theire easily accessible very well presented imersive games.

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I have not been really been concerned for lack of content around Imperial and Rebellion assets for which to release wave content as much as that there are only 2 factions in the game. I love Armada, but I can see over time, that just battling against Rebel/Imperial may, (focus on the word may) get, well, boring.

 

Right now, I am totally on board with this game and see a number of good waves coming out and enjoying. If this game sticks around, what happens say in 18-24 months?

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As others have pointed out, FFG has a wealth of capital ships to choose from, so perhaps the better question is how far are you willing to go with Armada? When will your interest be pushed to the point where you just aren't very excited to see the next wave on the table? To use the X-wing example, Scum and Villainy ended up being my limit. It was the first wave where I transitioned from being excited and preordering to cancelling that preorder. Even since its release I've faded from "I'd love to see Scum on the table eventually" to "If it's on sale, maybe" to my current low of "sure, if it's just given to me."

 

We all have different things that would exhaust or ignite our interest as well. For example, I don't hate the prequels. If they went backwards for a few waves of Clone Wars-era factions, I would be back on board in X-wing. I am just not interested in a lot of the more obscure EU starfighters that could be showing up from here on - but I would love to see the FFG treatment for a flight of Naboo starfighter models. Eventually using Republic and Confederacy factions in Armada would be very cool for me, it would totally turn others off.

 

By wave 2 of Armada, everything you could possibly get in X-wing will already be represented in Armada except for the Z-95, E-wing, GR-75, Decimator, Lambda, TIE Defender and Phantom. It was also pointed out that by wave 2, nearly everything seen in the classic trilogy will already be represented as well. If iconic or easily recognizable is what is driving you, you may lose interest before someone who is more invested in the EU. Red made a good point as well, we are getting new Star Wars films, but the designs may not resonate with you.

 

They can go as far as they want with Armada as long as it is still being purchased - there are many more viable capital ship options and more films coming. If I had to estimate for myself, I would remove the possibilities from the new films for now as we have seen nothing. So based only on currently existing material and assuming that FFG does not go back in time for prequel-era factions, I would guess that I will be invested for 5 total waves again.

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For the OT there is still the Tector star destroyer (no hanger = focused on fighting caps), and the liberty MC80. There are also probably some weird ship models in the background I ROTJ that they could pull in.

But to be honest, they have pretty much already run out of fighters. They can maybe sort of get another wave with Lambda, VT-49, Ghost type ship, an I can't think of any more rebel ships from OT era.

As others have said, the new movies are a gold mine of new ships.

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