Form Card Discard

[Vertically Challenged 0]

It says a form card can be discarded at any time...Is it at any time during any players phases or just your phases or just your action phase?
(Sorry I worded this poorly)

[Trothael 1]

I presume you can only do it in your turn.

 

Yay for RAI as opposed to RAW!

[Vertically Challenged 0]

k was just wondering if you cud discard your form before you get beaten with kingdom key

[Trothael 1]

Vertically Challenged said:

k was just wondering if you cud discard your form before you get beaten with kingdom key

Theoretically, you could.

Again: Yay for RAW as opposed to RAI!!

[Fairbanks 0]

 It says "at any time."  I would take that to mean "at any time."  Including right after they attach that kingdom key.

[Sluppie 0]

Wait, are you telling me that, as Aggro running Valor, the second I see Kingdom Key on the field I could simply discard Valor Form, thereby bypassing Valor Form's one major drawback?

God that's overpowered.

[sungtrs 0]

but doesn't it say that you gotta lose the battle first? It doesn't just simply say you can discard it anytime. It says if you lose the battle, discard this card and when you lose a battle you can't just discard it when you feel like it since your opponent played Kingdom key in his action phase and by that time you have to battle him to lose to discard him right? Or are you talking about what's "written in the rulebook" typa deal? cuz I know FFG leaves things out and I myself don't have the new rulebook so I can't tell...but then again isn't kind of pointless on looking at that rulebook now? Like it's pretty broken to really look at it now, and until FFG really does their job cuz it seems they jes gave all the responsibility to the "people's decision" completely and just said,"Yeah this should calm them down." and they haven't really issued for example like updated rules online, and instead we are changin them ourselves which is cool but it just doesn't give me the enthusiasm to want to make certain types of decks no more cuz the rules are just broken and I will always need to constantly ask questions about this and that to see if it's by the rule or not. And that gets pretty tiring and irritating once you thought this card does that and then someone says something else and then another person says the other way and just confuses the living crap out of me. Welp I'm just curious how Valor works since I'm goig to make a deck out of it so I gotta know everything to make the deck solid >

[capncrunch 0]

no you cant disard it on your opponets turn.  remember beast only on your turn.  if you could discard him to discard an opponets dark heartless/friend as soon as they played it it would be stupid  broke.  ffg has kinda already made the ruling about valor form.  the only argument against me is that valor form doesnt say "on your turn only may you discard it" but ffg has already said-with beast- that those effects can only be activated on your turn. sorry to be a buzzkill guys but im pretty sure thats the way it works. this sounds mean and i apoligize for that i dont mean for it to.

as for sun i agree with the fact that ffg should produce an in depth rule guide so everythings consistent.  instead of people saying "this how i played so these are the rules"

[Choitz 0]

Trothael said:

 

Yay for RAI as opposed to RAW!

Trothael said:

Again: Yay for RAW as opposed to RAI!!

 

I'm curious, sir..  what do those mean, 'n why the mix-up? 

[Trothael 1]

Choitz said:

Trothael said:

 

 

Yay for RAI as opposed to RAW!

 

Trothael said:

 

Again: Yay for RAW as opposed to RAI!!

 

 

 

I'm curious, sir..  what do those mean, 'n why the mix-up? 

As a loyal GW fan, I'm faced with RAI & RAW on a daily basis

Read As Written

as opposed to

Read As Intended

 

The original company may have intended that card X can be used with card Y regardless of condition Z, however card Y's text doesn't clarify if it can be used during condition Z, but it does imply that it can be used on card X.

[sungtrs 0]

capncrunch said:

 

no you cant disard it on your opponets turn.  remember beast only on your turn.  if you could discard him to discard an opponets dark heartless/friend as soon as they played it it would be stupid  broke.  ffg has kinda already made the ruling about valor form.  the only argument against me is that valor form doesnt say "on your turn only may you discard it" but ffg has already said-with beast- that those effects can only be activated on your turn. sorry to be a buzzkill guys but im pretty sure thats the way it works. this sounds mean and i apoligize for that i dont mean for it to.

as for sun i agree with the fact that ffg should produce an in depth rule guide so everythings consistent.  instead of people saying "this how i played so these are the rules"

 

 

thanx for backin me up capncrunch! By the way are you still trading/selling Cloud? XD

[Roxas2 0]

Forms can be discarded at anytime (via the rulebook) or when they have discard cons.

[Anarchy_In_The_Galaxy 0]

im with the capncrunch on this one i mean come on the rulebook has let us down on rulings before why should we believe this one so adamantly? Hes right if i could say goodbye to my valor at anytime then id never have to worry about being aggroed or if i ran wisdom in a WR deck i could discard it to prevent the same thing i can see doing that durning your turn only like discarding an equipment to equip another but anytime is stupid and capn makes a great point with the Beast example

[Roxas2 0]

Anarchy_In_The_Galaxy said:

im with the capncrunch on this one i mean come on the rulebook has let us down on rulings before why should we believe this one so adamantly? Hes right if i could say goodbye to my valor at anytime then id never have to worry about being aggroed or if i ran wisdom in a WR deck i could discard it to prevent the same thing i can see doing that durning your turn only like discarding an equipment to equip another but anytime is stupid and capn makes a great point with the Beast example

1) If you're running a Sora Valor Form against a Sora lvl 1, you shouldn't lose, possible yes, unlikely, yes. Wisdom Form can spam heal cards (since lets face it, Owl is not that hard to break) without friends so it's not hurting either.

2) The rule book had nothing about Beast last time. This time it clearly states the use of FC. I'll ask Jaffer, but it'll either be anytime or anytime during your turn.

[winddrake 0]

I've a question on this subject that's been bothering me a bit: Can you win a challenge, then drop valor form to deal more damage with kingdom key, if doing so brings your total down below your opponent's support total? I can see it argued, since it's after you've already won...

[Trothael 1]

winddrake said:

I've a question on this subject that's been bothering me a bit: Can you win a challenge, then drop valor form to deal more damage with kingdom key, if doing so brings your total down below your opponent's support total? I can see it argued, since it's after you've already won...

Valor form does less damage with the Kingdom Key, unless you're fighting Ansem in which case it doesn't matter anyway.

You can only play Form Cards in your Action phase, so you'd be unable to play a FC during a challenge.

[winddrake 0]

Kingdom key would do one more damage if you're lvl 1 sora and going against... a form, dark riku, riku lvl 3, any of the popular lvl 3 player cards really.

Granted, it's a fringe situation, not going to come up alot, but it could. I'd just like to be ready for if the situation was to ever come up.

[Trothael 1]

winddrake said:

Kingdom key would do one more damage if you're lvl 1 sora and going against... a form, dark riku, riku lvl 3, any of the popular lvl 3 player cards really.

Granted, it's a fringe situation, not going to come up alot, but it could. I'd just like to be ready for if the situation was to ever come up.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

I misconstrued what you said. When you said "Drop Valor Form" I thought you meant "Drop Valor Form on top of a Player card". Allow me to retract my previous answer.

Since according to the rulebook you can discard a Form at any time at all, then yes I suppose you could discard during a challenge to deal more damage against a higher-level Player card (Due to this game's lack of damage steps...).

[winddrake 0]

could make for a nifty little trick

now, can you discard your form after you won the challenge but before the damage is actually delt, keeping the high attack during the challenge and then getting that extra point of damage in? seems like that'd be to good to be allowed, but you never know...

[Trothael 1]

winddrake said:

could make for a nifty little trick

now, can you discard your form after you won the challenge but before the damage is actually delt, keeping the high attack during the challenge and then getting that extra point of damage in? seems like that'd be to good to be allowed, but you never know...

Personally, I'd say no. The lack of damage steps in conjunction with the "Discard ANYtime" rule disagrees though. It's something that Jaffer probably needs to deal with.

[winddrake 0]

It does seem to be implied that damage happens immediatly, it'd be good to see an official ruling though.

Anyway, I'm just nitpicking now, thanks for the input. ^.^

[Choitz 0]

winddrake said:

..thanks for the input.

G. Crackers, is that you?? 

Or am I speakin to another person altogether?

 

[winddrake 0]

You are indeed! I forgot to ask you this yesterday and didn't feel like waiting untill friday, so I broke my lurking habit

[Choitz 0]

Haha!  This is amusin! 

Wait...  aren't you workin right now?  You lazy, lazy bum.

[winddrake 0]

It's dead quiet now, has been for most of the day (had to go in early). Besides, I'm doing game research, right?